Re-Imagining Pakistan

#283 VRV

[Indians have nothing to do with that eff u disc., issue. Lets be observers. ]

First, ``Indians`` have a lot of stake in discussions like this - because after the jihadis and the jihadans and their melting-between-legs and very-much-willing-and-yearning sympathizers like the ``sweet`` one here are done making mincemeat of the good prof., guess who they come after!

Yup, they come for you VRV.

They will come after you and your loved ones and your neighbors and your communities and your state and your country.

So, if I were you, I won`t be too comfortable watching this as a ``tamasha``!

It is more like the Rocky Horror Picture Show!

Except it does not only give one the shivers!

It also wants to make one puke!

#283 VRV

[Pl dont enrage Zeena The Sweet. For her Jinnah is infallible & forever.]

Well said. Now tell me, isn`t that exactly what the moorakh Manto does too?!!

Then why are you always after his rear?!!! Why exempt Zeenah - the self-proclaimed Kashmiri jihadi lover?!

Why, why, why?!!

Don`t answer that! One might think you tailor the content of your interacts based on how ``sweet`` the interactor is?!!

Ooops, I was hoping you won`t answer.

Mohar,

Yah, I dint notice that both had similar sounding names....

Re: # 283

Some girls marry the koran - Zeena has chose to marry Jinnah... come to think of it - Zeena may be reincarnation of Jinnah, pubh.... atleast the names sound alike... :)

BJ,

Zeena is a well meaning Chowkie....

U both dont seem to argue the points.....why u wrestle with Eff U Disc., issue? Indians have nothing to do with that eff u disc., issue. Lets be observers.

Pl spend some time on a new article....thats ur core competency, I guess.

Pl dont enrage Zeena The Sweet. For her Jinnah is infallible & forever.

Re: # 272
[...If this is the reaction of the educated & economically blessed, than Allah have mercy on all of us...]

Even Allah[pubh] is stupified at the reaction from the paki elite... He has already given up on muslims, long time ago - looks like even Allah has limitations, even he can`t help people who are so stupid and bent on destroying themselves... :)

I mean - think about it... He gave the bedouins OIL, the liquid gold, in abundance... but what do muslims do with it?.... spend it on spreading evil ideologies all around... Allah gave pakis a beautiful piece of land and what do they do with it?... Turn it into a terrorist hellhole where all sorts fundamentalism, jihadism, despots and big0ts breed and spread their evil all over the world...
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Come to think of it, this may be Allah`s way of removing the deadwood - kind of self-cleaning mechanism... he is letting the fools kill each other, thus eliminating the deadwood so that the future generation may live better...

Which is exactly what Krishna[pubh] did - when people in his kingdom, despite having good lives and enormous riches, simply refused behave as good citizens of the world... He facilitated their demise by providing them with enough weapons and motivations to kill each other with abandon... his entire family eliminated themselves by killing each other... Krishna died a lonely and broken man - he even orchestrated his own death in hands of his own disciple - as a punishment to himself for letting his kingdom go to dogs...

#278 mian

Perhaps you are right.

It is just that there is nothing that is as much of a spoiler as #268 to mess up the intended effect of a #267, that`s all!

Perhaps, like that other joker, I should also have said to the young lady:

Ladki, tum sada suhagan raho
Pati ki sewa karo
Mata pita ko hur subah pranam karo
Aur Jinnah ki maala japtee raho!
Chinta mat karo
Tumharey SAAREY dukh duur ho jayenge!
Bus is writer ko kuchh gaaliyan dey do!
Dekho, ho gaye na dukh duur!

These are the human elements which are the foundation of Pakistan as stated by our Prophet, Quaid_e-azam(Mohd Ali Jinnah)

If, we will re imagine Pakistan with out these golden verses by our prophet, then how can we imgaine our human element being established in Pakistan. So, this article is ABSOLUTELY NULLIFIED BASED on it`s heading right from the begining.

Yes, some fools accept such idiotic fake and vague ideology with out human element where there is no ground for humans, but, for robots.



Quotes of the Quaid-e-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah

Quotes
How can there be unity of government between areas s widely separated? I can answer this question in one word. It is ``faith``: faith in Almighty God, in ourselves and in our destiny.

And never forget our motto ``Unity, Discipline and Faith``.

To those who suffer from defeatist mentality, I say, have courage and faith - Delhi door neest, and I say to all Musalmanas of India to organise, consolidate and establish solidarity and unity. Service, suffering and sacrifice are absolutely essential conditions before we can achieve anything big and secure our right place in the national life of our country.

Only one thing can save Musalmans and energise them to regain their lost ground. They must first recapture their own souls and stand by their lofty position and principles which from the basis of their great unity and which bind them in one body-politic.

The first observation that i would like to make is this: You will no doubt agree with me that the first duty of a government is to maintain law and order, so that the life, property and religious belief of its subjects are fully protected by the State.

The weak and the defenceless in this imperfect world invite aggression from others. The best way in which we can serve the cause of peace is by removing the temptation from the path of those who think that we are weak and, therefore, they can bully or attack us.

You will have to be alert, very alert, for the time for relaxation is not yet there. With faith, discipline and selfless devotion to duty, there is nothing worthwhile that you cannot achieve.

Organise yourself, establish your solidarity and complete unity. Equip yourself as trained and disciplined soldier. Create the feeling of esprit de corps and of comradeship amongst yourselves. Work loyally and for the cause of your people and your country.

Each one of us can serve our country by disciplining himself, and discipline is the essence of this holy period.

Freedom, however, does not mean licence. It does not mean that you can now behave just as you please and do what you like, irrespective of the interest of other people of the State. A great responsibility rests on you, and on the country. Now more than ever, it is necessary for us to work as a united and disciplined nation. What is now required of all of us is a constructive spirit and not the militant spirit of the days when we were fighting for our freedom.

The intelligentsia in all countries in the world have been the pioneers of any movement of freedom.

There are no people in the world who are more democratic even in their religion than the Musalmans.

Good government does not mean autocratic government. Good government doest not mean despotic government. Good government mean a government that is responsible to the representatives of people.

We have lost the fullness of our noble character. And what is character? Highest sense of honour and the highest sense of integrity, conviction, incorruptibility, readiness at time to efface one-self for the collective good of the nation.

It should be the aim of our colleges to produce first-class experts in agriculture, zoology, engineering, medicine and other specilised subjects. Only thus shall we be able to come to grips with the problems that are now facing us in the task of raising the standard of living, specially of the common man.

We must not lose any opportunity to promote and advance mass education so as to make the elementary education universal and thus dispel ignorance and darkness.

If we are to build a safer, cleaner and happier world, let us start with the individual-catch him young and inculcate in him the scout`s motto of service before self and purity in thought, word and deed.

There is common fault with the students against which I must warn you. The students believe that no one can tell them anything which they do not already know. That mentality is harmful and often leads to quite a lot of mischief.

You must now realize that fresh fields, new channels and avenues are now being thrown open to you, where you have unlimited opportunities, namely, you must now direct your attention to science, commercial banking, insurance, industry and technical education.

The duties required of you now are: develop a sound sense of discipline, character, initiative and a solid academic back ground.

All this demands complete solidarity, unity and discipline. I assure you: `` Divided you fall, United you stand``.

Yet there is a great deal more to be done and therefore, my appeal to you, young and old, men and women, is that we must work.

It is now up to you to work, work and work and we are bound to succeed.

It is easier to achieve freedom than to keep it..... We have to prepare ourselves. Makes yourselves strong; prepare your people in education, trade, industries, commerce and defence ..... We should be prepared to fight and defend our homes and the ideals we cherish.

Are you going to wait and allow somebody else to come here and do the job for you or are you going to do it yourselves?

It is easier to go to jail or fight for freedom than to run a government.

Let not people leave you with this bearing that you hate, that you are offensive, that you have insulted or that you are rude to them.

The Press is a great power and it can do good as well as harm. If rightly conducted, it can guide and instruct public opinion.

The Press is a vital necessity for the progress and the welfare of the nation, because it is through the Press that a nation can be guided and its opinion moulded for the furthering of activities in all departments of life.

PHB
SIR there is a line in your article :

[The good news is that, at the level of epistemology, truth in science is ultimately knowable. Post-modernists are up the creek if they think that all scientific knowledge is relative]

what crap is this???????

is this your understanding of 20th centuray philosophical movements?well guyssssss do u have any clue who is he making fool of.

the gullible laymen who are completly unawar of philosophical thinking with his pseudo knowledge-plated ignorance.shocking,ridiculous sheer nonsense.he seems to be giving his final verdict on highly philosophical issues of diverse significance.

does he know anything about `sociology of knowledge` what he is ridiculing and rejecting in one sentence?

is there any research of this man which seriously deny that philosophy?????

if he has got something to say on this issue why hasnt he sent his paper to any well repudited philosophical journal.i think that would be a great addition to human thought if editor of the journal find it worth-publishing.
ahhhhhhhhhhhh,amazing.

bj,

...... you must really be hard-up for entertainment - stooping to engage insufferable juveniles like zeena who are battling acne, islam and raging hormones ....... shame on you !

#276 Zeena

Most impressive - those words Faith, Unity, Discipline (F.U.D.)

I always knew the vamp was into F.U.D. instead of FUN!

(Chomping pigs and slurping booze were not FUN, of course!)

Because of some strange reason, the term F.U.D. reminds me of a nursery rhythm:

FUD-FUDDA-FUDD
THREE MEN IN A TUB
AND WHAT DO YOU THINK THEY DID THERE?!
THE BUTCHER, THE BAKER, THE CANDLE-STICK MAKER
IT`S ENOUGH TO MAKE A MAN STARE!!

Lets`s see:

THE BUTCHER


THE BAKER


THE CANDLE-STICK MAKER


I wonder what they all cooked! Ah, here it is.

master-pak jii

Further more, this article absolutely LACKS the most fundamental ELEMENT for the betterment of humanity. And that fundamental element is(HUMAN ELEMENT).

Human element is the most fundamental, eternal and elemental for the progress of human kinds.

Human element comes from three fundamental principles as solidified by Our Quaid-e-Azam (FAITH, UNITY , DISCIPLINE)


There is no need to re imagine Pakistan, yes there is an absolute need to kick such Pakistanis out of Pakistan who lacks human element.

#273 (add-on)

I mean, getting married off in high school age group is a subcontinental specialty, especially in the land of the pure, perhaps.

But not in Amrikka, you see!

#273

Ama yaar,

Tu itna ghussa kyun ho raha hai?!!

I was referring to your #265 in which you made this Zeena look like an absolute idiot!

I mean, let`s be honest - who in their right mind, except in joke, would suggest ``sadaa suhaagan raho`` to a high-school nincompoop who just got her driver`s license and whose parents do not allow her to go on date?!

In Amrikka, no less!

Re: # 271
what a lod of crap is it.you think u r so so smart.well that`s all what your d*rty mind brain has got to think.how dare u say that?you just keep your your smart brain in your a*s.

There is a this line in your thought provoking article, which says ``Societies change when people change their ways of thinking`` How true that is. Here`s the good professor from the goodness of his heart try to steer Pakistani society away from the wretched state they`re engulfed in, towards Truth, Diversity & Creativity and it seems like all the hell break loose. If this is the reaction of the educated & economically blessed, than Allah have mercy on all of us.

More I think of it more I believe & certain about it that the Muslim masses cause of abysmal condition is it`s unrelenting Dogma & it`s fatalist attitude. Fatalism robes one`s hope, simply put, if it`s divinely planned there is no need for creativity or any other motivation, which indeed is engine behind human ingenuity & progress. As long as these poisonous traits remains there is no hope for the Ummah. No wonder, when the fatalist defeated free will types Muslim society went into cardiac arrest and is dying since. This type of thinking is need to be changed in order to change a society.

More power to you, Hoodbhoy. I`m sure you`re not dis-hearted by these ultra patriotic & religio packs. You`re no arm chair activist, you remain in Pakistan despite the acrimonious attitude of several, indeed you put your money where your mouth is. Denial is the beginning, later we`ll be humble enough to accepts our faults & shortcomings.