Re-Imagining Pakistan

A very interesting article from today`s Daily Times

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2006 12 18 story_18-12-2006_pg6_23

High IQ kids ‘likely to become vegetarians’

Children with high IQs are more likely to be vegetarians when they grow up, according to research reported on Friday.

A British study of more them 8,000 men and women aged 30 whose IQs had been measured when they were 10, showed that the higher the IQ, the greater the odds of being a vegetarian. “People who are more intelligent as children, who will obviously keep that intelligence when they are 30, were more likely to say they are vegetarians at that age than those that were less intelligent,” said Dr Catherine Gale, an epidemiologist at the University of Southampton in England.

She added the findings, which are published online by the British Medical Journal, were consistent with other studies showing people who are more intelligent tend to eat a healthier diet and exercise more. “There is quite a lot of evidence linking vegetarianism to a lower risk of heart disease. People who are vegetarians tend to have lower blood pressure, lower cholesterol levels and they do have a lower risk of dying from coronary heart disease,” Gale added.

For each 15-point rise in IQ scores in the study, the likelihood of being a vegetarian rose by 38 percent. Even after adjusting to factors such as social class and education, the link was still consistent. More than 33 percent of the men and women in the study described themselves as vegetarians but said they ate white meat and fish. Just over four percent were strict vegetarians and 2.5 percent were vegans, who eat no animal products at all, including eggs and dairy.

samajhdar ko ishara hi kaafi hai!!!!!

rgds,

devkant.

Re: # 309
hahahah.lol.you mean you f*cken indies are samajhdaar and intellegent.what crap

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yap.intellegent people are likely to be more vegetarian

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true.but its true for those who have brain.

do u know most condom commanies are bank corrupted in india coz most indian men have penis of under 3inch.lol.be vegetarian and be healthy.healty for a obvious reason.
coz no sex ,no power, no muscles ,no manliness,always fresh n free of these tension.

i tell u something intresting ,here in london most of indian gals are crazy about non-vegetarian[samajhdaar ko ishaara hi kafi hai].indian gals find these guys more manly than sookhey indy bones.

beta mutton khana mardon ka kaam hai tum jaisey bachon ka nahin.

i m suprised how in the world can women in india touch these hindu husbands` feet in submission who have below average penis.

bhai monto...we indians are trying to do something about our problems. you must understand that india bbeing such a large country, our problems are also equally large. add to that the population of 1 billion people and you are bound to have plenty of problems. it will take time to get over problems and work is being done towards that.

but we could do without you and your wife spewing anti india venom here and everywhere. please tell me, how are your peoblems going to be solved by pointing towards india`s problem. the attitude of your country being bad and hence my country is good is very childish and does not benefit someone like you who has had such expensive american education.

wwhile i have a lot of respect for you, what pains me is that you use your collective energies to point fingers at a foreign nation when i am sure you have your own problems that need immediate attention.

rgds,

devkant.

Re: # 307

Dear Devkant,

It would help you if you saw who started spewing what venom when. Nothing would please me more to bring this constant hatemongering back and forth to an end but we didn`t start the fire here.

Therefore it is completely irrelevant what you can do without, because I am the same guy who was untill a few years ago, advocating emulating the Indian model of democracy (yes I was stupid and it was based on a premise that does not exist) .... for Pakistan.

Re:sanatani#302

[...Ranjit ji at 12.30 PM on 25th December let us drink a toast to this great man...]

Amen, brother!! Jinnah was the real father of the nation for India. May God rest his soul in peace.

As you may know, Jinnah was a Bhatia Rajput by caste and his grandfather had converted. I am convinced that at subliminal levels, Jinnah thought and acted like a hindu nationalist. Any other muslim, especially ones with Afghan or Central Asian heritage, would never demand or settle for anything that Jinnah agreed upon as the ultimate political solution for hindu-muslim rivalry.

Muslims had dominated India for 800 years in spite of being a minority. They had alliances with Afghanistan, Central Asia and Iran, from where more muslims could come over to help out militarily or otherwise. Why would they settle for a slice of land like Pakistan, when they could enjoy the whole subcontinent? All they had to do was ask for 40-45% share in all government jobs, army, parliament etc. Then they would form alliances with backward caste hindus (like the Mughals did with the Rajputs), and rule New Delhi. What was their fear of domination from when they were the ones ruling India?

Jinnah with his hindu mindset, actually thought along democratic lines. If Muslims had 25% population, they should have guaranteed 25% share of land and resources. This was his hindu genes talking. If he was a muslim with external roots, he would have never thought along democratic lines but took on the imperial position of ruling India as a minority.

No wonder the results speak for themselves. Hindu India is resurgent with a 10% growth rate. We have a liberal, tolerant, secular country which is the darling of the west. If we had remained united, instead of IITs we would have Indian Institute of Madrassas. We hindus would be munshis and chaprasis to muslim bosses, kind of like how Punjabi hindus had to bow in front of Khizr Hayat Khan and Sikandar Hayat Khan. Of course, we would be the biggest terrorist nation with the entire west hating us. Thank God, Jinnah saved us from such a fate.

``#303 by Mantolives on December 18, 2006 0:51am PT
devkant bhayya,

Arjun m is correct. I myself added that to the Wikipedia mind you. ``

monto bhai....this is a miracle. this is the first time ever in my 5 years in chowk you have actually agreed with me and arjun.

i guess, there is a god somewhere afterall. wonders never cease.

rgds,

devkant.

Re: # 304

Once again you are mistaken.

I often agree with arjun m when he is less caustic. My point is always... why don`t you guys do something about your own problems...

devkant bhayya,

Arjun m is correct. I myself added that to the Wikipedia mind you.

Re: # 303

Yasser: Did peace talks with Indian young-turks succeed? ANIL

Anil ji,

(May be Yasser, Zeena and other young pakistanis can expand each of these to important aspects of economic growth, technology, infrastructure, agreculture, and finance sectors.)

When Yasser, Zeena and other young Pakis (or for that matter Indians ) concentrate on economic growth and achieving equality and dignity of all citizens rather than waste their time fighting over slogans like ``faith, unity, discipline, truth, diversity and creativity`` and exhume ghosts like MAJ (pbuh) and MKG, both countries will achieve salvation.

Regards

Zeenaji,

(narrowminded Indians here who just create opportunities to abuse Pakistani females at any cost, even at the cost of their own integrity, bjkumar and hamdim and arjun are a prototypical example of such creativity , diversity and truth from your side....)

I was under the impression that Hamid mian was a Pakistani, a Pathan to boot???

Regards

#262 by arjun2 on December 17, 2006 11:41am PT
actually JC wasn`t born on the 25th of december.

#263 by tahmed32 on December 17, 2006 12:28pm PT
#262 wow! what a fount of knowledge. ha! ha!

actually what arjun says may not be entirely untrue. check this out here: -

http://pakistanspace.tripod.com/47_12.htm

The earliest records of Jinnah`s birthday in his school register suggest October 20, 1875. Jinnah himself stated in a court in Karachi in 1896 that he was born in October 1875. However, from 1917 (when Sarojini Naidu wrote his first biography: The Ambassador of Hindu-Muslim Unity), Jinnah gave out December 25, 1876 as his date of birth. This date of birth has been carried on his passport and all other official documents at least since then and publicly celebrated by his followers for quite some years now. Since he is a man ferociously protective of his private life nobody knows, nor dare him ask, the evidence that led him to believe that the most important festival in the word was also his date of birth.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Ali_Jinnah#_note-birthdate

Jinnah was born as Mahomedali Jinnahbhai in Wazir Mansion, Karachi, Sindh (now in Pakistan). The earliest records of his school register suggest he was born on October 20, 1875, but Sarojini Naidu, the author of Jinnah`s first biography gives the date December 25, 1876

how and why did this confusion on his birthdate came about can be only answered by MJ himself (but he is dead), or may be by his wannabe clone monto.

monto bhai, would you kindly enlighten us as to why your god jinnah lied / created confusion etc about his birthday.

rgds.

devkant.

gandhi was such a wicked fraud.he was agent of colonizers of sub continent.

in the time when people of sub continent needed to discover their anger anger against the colonizers he the stupid hypocrite gandhi was teaching the colonized indians to be submissive to their colonial masters in the name of peace.

wowwwwww.peace .what a wonderfull term.be peacfull when you are being humiliated by the colonial racist master.
bullshit.

anil

My Quaid was much more modern than anyone of you narrowminded Indians here who just create opportunities to abuse Pakistani females at any cost, even at the cost of their own integrity, bjkumar and hamdim and arjun are a prototypical example of such creativity , diversity and truth from your side....And thats where we along with our Quaid differe.

And, haan my truth is my Quran, My Jinnah and myself. No doubt about it. My truth ids my faith.


And don`t forget.

(Unity, faith , discipline) is the basis of human element which leads to creativity, diversity and if, you study Jinnah with open mind, not with a narrowmind like hudd boy, you`ll realise Jinnah was all for creativity and diversity.

Jinnah zindabad.

Re: # 294 by zeena

``...anyone of you narrowminded Indians here...``

I`m sorry, but I think anil should not be bundled with bjkumar, etc. You may disagree with him, but you can`t deny his credits.

:-)~~

Re: # 294
Zeena:

I am sure Jinnah was (and still is for many), and so is Quran the truth. Questioning these beliefs is not my point. Respecting these beliefs, and asking if peaceful co-existence is desirable, is indeed my point.

For a non-religious like me, once you say ``my truth is Quran, and my truth is my faith``, you acknowledge existance of the logic I mentioned. Although I am not sure if peaceful co-existence with say my belief, is important for you or not, as it is for me.

Regarding people you have mentioned, everyone who has intelligence knows what they are saying. My point to them was that they cannot deny you, your right to the freedom of expression. If they have any point to support Professor sahib, then they should mention, you have expressed your without leaving any doubt in the mind of reader like me.

I am glad that you say Jinnah was all for truth, diversity and creativity. That is indeed my point if you read my post clearly when you may have morre leisure time. In fact, in an earlier posting that is precisely what I had mentioned here to Yasser.

Please you may like to take a deep breath and cool down, as I do not see any disagreement.

Regarding Professor sahib, I do not know much of him. I have indeed read his essay, and your answer too. I see more convergence between your thoughts (expressed in 294), and his thanmore difference. You are welcome to point to me what is it that I am missing.

Of course, I am saddened that you have chosen to make a sweeping statement ``you narrow minded Indians...``, I can only think. and speak about myself. Just as when I saw here, BJ and Mohar`s postings against you, and spoke.

I would suggest that please read my points on their merit, and if you have something to say please say it coolly. I do have two daughters probably your age, and three of us do discuss among us all kinds of issues. I enjoy it, most of the time I learn from them, new developments, as what I know they have learned already. So this is a transition from ``yes, daddy`` to ``yes, daughter`` to avoid controversies and to find compromises.