Re-Imagining Pakistan

(Note: when I make sweeping statements regarding Pakistanis, it is implicit that on individual basis, there will be exceptions.)

#453 NTSyed sahib,

I said that there is an undercurrent of anti-Semitism many Pakistani interactors here on this website display. Nothing that you have said in #453 counters that.

#450 Hamidm2

You are talking like mian Mushy – and just like him, you miss the whole point. You are saying that your strategy was wrong – and the objective of separating people on the basis of religion was a-okay!

I could give you a long lecture but am tired so here is the short version.

If the objective was to wrest Kashmir from India by force, the jihadis were your (Pakistanis’) most potent option because jihadis do not suffer from some of the ``limitations`` of the regular army (if one could call your Pakistani army by that term):

(1) jihadis have no sense of army-like professionalism (as was amply evidenced when they cut off the testicles of captured soldiers in that prequeal to Kargil (and for all I know, ate it! (Nothing about this lot will surprise me.))),

(2) jihadis do not care if the loss is inevitable and (unlike the 90,000 Pakistani soldiers in 1971) will never give up when any sane person will give up because sane people do not like to die in vain,

(3) jihadis do not care if they get paid for their ``services`` or not,

(4) jihadis have more appeal to the illiterate masses of Pakistan because they are perceived as self-sacrificing individuals in cause of Pakistan’s state religion (as distinguished from the Pakistani khakis who are perceived as watching out for their own selfish institutional interests)

Guess what, your guys (read Mushy and his khakis) knew that, too. It was not a “mistake” to use jihadis – it was your “best shot”!

And what happened? Well, you idiots still lost.

And you idiots lost not because the jihadis did not do what they were sent in to do!

In fact, backed by your ISI and their agents recruited in India – the jihadis and their Pakistani masters tried EVERY dirty trick in the book. But you guys still lost because (a) the Indian public opinion supports the policies of the Indian administration, (b) the same characteristics which make jihadis potent weapons, make them virtually uncontrollable, and (c) the same people that the jihadis claim to “liberate” suffer the worst at jihadi hands – much worse than they would ever suffer at the hands of what you, being the moron that you are, called “occupiers” (a title which in that part of the world only legitimately belongs to the Pakistani khakis)

Therefore my dear, it was not the choice of “tactics” which turned your whole country into such a bunch of losers!

I also know what WOULD have worked – but suspect that you guys are incapable of understanding that whole concept. The only circumstances under which Kashmir would have been a goner from India would have been if (i) Kashmiris were truly discriminated against in India (like the Pakistanis did the Bangladeshis) AND (ii) they had no recourses like the ability to contest elections and approach the court systems AND (iii) they had used peaceful means to press for their demands. The problem of course is that you guys were rather weak on (i) and (ii) and being Pakistani progenies of the vamp and his whole approach, that (iii) would be an “alien” concept to you all – it would have been too “Gandhian”!

I am coming to the conclusion that if there are ninety-nine ways to “win” and just one very difficult way to “lose” – the Pakistanis will definitely find that one way. You guys have a perfect track record of doing that – starting with your blind herd-like following of the vamp pre-1947!

Therefore my dear, in actuality your blunder that cost you Kashmir (and the rest of what was YOUR country) preceded 1947.

Now go do ibaadat to the vamp for “saving” you all! If you search under my interacts, I am sure you can locate your Jinnah bhajan, too!

Re: # 459 by bjkumar

``#453 NTSyed sahib,

I said that there is an undercurrent of anti-Semitism many Pakistani interactors here on this website display. Nothing that you have said in #453 counters that.``

Ya Allah!

The point in #453 was not to counter your statement. Rather it was to show you that our anti-Semitism is not without a reason.

Why is it that the most trivial of things has to be s-p-e-l-l-e-d o-u-t to the overzealous Hindian Fundos at Chowk?

But then again, if one can be an atheist and a religious (Hindu) at the same time....oh well

:-)~~

ATTN CHOWK-STAFF:

HOW DID YOU MANAGE TO PUT YOUR HEADS AS WELL AS BOTH FEET UP YOUR REAR ORIFICES?

(Parodied on mantolives post):

``#398 by Mantolives on December 19, 2006 3:32am PT

How did you manage to put your head as well both feet up your rear orifice. ``

++++

IT LOOKS LIKE CHOWK-STAFF ARE THE CHAMCHAS/SIDE-KICKS OF MANTOLIVES!

#450 by hamidm2 on December 20, 2006 7:45am PT

sorry..life doesn`t have a back button..now you`re stuck with the jihadi tag for a long long time...

if ever there is a jihadi cartoon equivalent of dilbert, there is sure to be a paki version of asok..

Re: # 455
[...life doesn`t have a back button...]

no - it doesn`t... so what do pakis do now?... how do they get out of the jiahd hole?...

Pakis must join forces and find a way out... so far the only plan has come from Ntsyed - he is planning to use his inadequate manhood to get out of the jihad hole... a terrible plan indeed... the guy is inadequate in more ways than one, including brain matters :)...

bjkumar,

`` Yet how many Pakistanis here show the guts to denounce those acts?!! ``

i do ! ......... in hindsight i denounce those acts, not because of what they did to the indian occupation forces in kashmir, but because of the blowback in pakistan ..... pakistan should have supported the indigeneous kashmiri freedom fighters instead of creating this cadre of wild-eyed jihadis who are causing more havoc on the right side of the border instead of rigting the wrongs on the wrong side of the border ....................

......... it was a mistake and i apologize on behalf of the pakistani nation ...... i hope that makes you happy

Re: # 450
[... pakistan should have supported the indigeneous kashmiri freedom fighters ...]

Pakistan did that at start - from 1989 to 1993... by then Indian Army had pretty much crushed th rebellion... thats` when pakis realized that kashmiris are no good at fighting - so they started pushing the afgan war left-overs and took over the entire operation and turned into hardcode jihad...

It was a no-win for you pakis: if you just ``supported`` the ``indigeneous kashmiri freedom fighters`` - the fight would be over long time ago - the gentle kashmiris were no match for indian army.... but then by taking the fight over as your own - you radicalized your own population...

YOur mistake was to be so obsessed about kashmir... that`s your original sin... and unfortunately, you still are continuing the same mistake.... Kashmir has nothing to do with you pakis - you f**** goats as ``right of passage``, for crying out loud :)... neither it`s going to give any economic benefits... you have nothing to gain and everything to lose by obsessing with kashmir...

and that`s exactly what you did and are still doing... At the end of 20 years of obsession - you have gained nothing and lost a lot... so stop being idiots - do not reinforce your mistakes... and stop digging since you are already inside a hole... and start making a ladder - you need a long one to get out of this hell-hole you have dug for yourselves...

Enjoy the holidays... :)

Re: # 451 by mohar11

``...and start making a ladder - you need a long one to get out of this hell-hole you have dug for yourselves... ``

naaaaaaah.....we have big enough penises to do that anytime we want. Since, according to latest reports, there`s a shortage of reliable ones in India, Indians are also welcome to use ours, if they wish to crawl out of their own holes....hmmmm...``their own holes``....that sounds funny in more ways than one....LOL

enjoy your holidays

:-)~~

Re: # 454

Dude - you guys f**** goats for ``rights of passage``... from what I hear - the goat is never impressed and that is saying something about your size.... :)... don`t take it your heart, but you pakis have nothing - no manhood, no backbone....

On the otherhand - we invented Kamasutra - the bible of sex and sensuality... or should I say - the koran of sex and sensuality ... [ hmmm, that doesn`t sound right ...].... so, if and when you graduate from female goat to human female - you need to use our ``tools``, our research for the purpose... wink, wink...

Re: # 456 by mohar11

``Dude - you guys f**** goats for ``rights of passage``... from what I hear - the goat is never impressed and that is saying something about your size.... :)... ``

For some (very obvious) reason your post suggests you`re very closely related to the goats, particularly the female ones......LOL.....that also explains the impotent statements.

I hope YOU don`t take that to your heart :-)~~

OTOH, ``don`t take it your heart, but you pakis have nothing - no manhood, no backbone....`` proves jihadis couldn`t rape the Hindian women in Kashmir....Wait a minute...does that mean BSF...? NO WAY! OMIGOD!

Oh well...I guess anything of this nature can be natural for mohar11`s source of pride.

Kamasutra - How to Screw Your Life Away
Sex 101 for men and women who can neither understand the purpose nor the usage of their genitals on their own (the rest of the world is too advanced for this manual)

``On the otherhand - we invented Kamasutra...``

Now they wish they had invented condoms in ``tiny`` sizes on the first hand.

A free business idea to the banya...that size - you know, the ``tiny`` that 60% of your adult men will use - could sell good elsewhere too....some people may want their baby boys to start the training early [wink wink]

As for the book, somebody forgot to make one change needed to update the manual to screw your life away: how to prevent spreading of AIDS and other STDs by keeping a Univeral standard size condom ``ON`` while practicing the ``invention``.

Perhaps back then no one had thought of ``measuring up`` to the rest of the world, not that anyone has done it recently, let alone designing especially small condoms for the believers of the book.

Believe me, I could sympathize with you too, but you see I can`t even shrink to your level. Would it be okay if my 6yr old boy felt sorry for you?

# 456 by mohar11

``inadequate manhood`` is exactly the word the Indian Ministry of Health must have looking for, to describe mohar11 and the rest of the 60% Indian men who are below the international standard in masculinity.

The Ministry should have thanked you, Mohar11.

How ungrateful of them not to have done so.

Those Bastards!

I`m sorry Mohar11, but it appears your below average manhood will not get you respect in your own country. How sad, indeed.

:-(~~

Re: # 464 ntsyed
[...proves jihadis couldn`t rape the Hindian women in Kashmir....Wait a minute...does that mean BSF...]

Sure... BSF jawans may have had some fun with kashmir muslimas...it`s the spoils of the war - you kill a bunch of jihadis and their supporters and then take their women as ``comfort`` ladies... And that`s allowed in The Book... you should know - you read koran everyday, don`t you?...

See - you follow your book Koran, and we follow our book Kamasutra... just like your book says - ``kill the kufrs and take their women``... our book also says the exact same thing - ``kill jihadis and take their women``... Only difference is - you goat-f888ers have no clue what to do with the women after you take them.... where as we have fun with them in 69 different ways, as prescribed in our book... :)

Have a happy holiday.... :)

Re: # 467 by mohar11

``See - you follow your book Koran, and we follow our book Kamasutra... just like your book says - ``kill the kufrs and take their women``... our book also says the exact same thing - ``kill jihadis and take their women``... Only difference is - you goat-f888ers have no clue what to do with the women after you take them.... where as we have fun with them in 69 different ways, as prescribed in our book... :)``

The statements above remove any misgiving, whatsoever, anyone may have had that India has ever been, or is one now, or will ever be, a ``secular`` state. The ``majority`` group confesses to follow the book [kamasutra] instead of the Hindian constitution in legal matters as wars and prisoners of war.

The latter claims equality for all people within it`s legal and illegal territories, which they use as the basis to be the `largest democracy` on earth....so much for that propaganda.

On the other hand the former, kamasutra, once again proves to be a manual for people who cannot understand the purpose and usage of his/her genitals on their own; as well as a sure shot way to screw one`s life away. No wonder a full fledged army with all the training, equipment, and legitimacy is unable to subdue a small band of untrained and ill equipped freedom fighters...tch tch tch.....

Not to mention the book still contains the catastrophic flaw that it fails to help the masses [60% of Indian adult males] due to the acute `shortage` of The Tool required for the male believers to practice the prescriptions. How dreadfully sad, indeed :-(~~

As for fun, I`m sure everyone here has seen little boys having `fun` with their willies writing their names in the snow.

Seriously, you`re good at shooting your own foot. Or if you don`t like that expression, then shall I say stuffing your own foot in your mouth? Take a pick....it`s your choice [wink wink]

:-)~~

Manto mian,

(the common Pakistani is hundred times more tolerant and accepting of differing points of view on politics and religion than an Indian )

You have a point on politics. Few Indians would accept any other political system than democracy. Whereas Pakistanis would have a multitude of views some would recommend a western style secular democracy (you I presume), some would favour military rule while others would recommend Islamic system.

But on religion I am not sure. If chowk is representative of most Indians, Indians would appear to be fairly agnostic bunch of people, I have yet to see any Indian Hindu or most IMs (Nasah, Ballu for instance) argue that their faith ought to be the basis of constitution or that their Proph is the biggest Man, their book is the best book etc. Whereas on the Pakistani side their appear to be a fair number of people (to be fair people like u, tahmed sahib, salimbhai are not ones) who would want Pak to be a theocracy and would threaten any dissenter with murder.

Regards

Taikonaut,

Why do you need a bunch of losers- mostly expatriates- to appreciate anything of Pakistan`s?

Just like they will deny history ... they will continue to fool themselves with this narcissistic megalomania. From the looks of it, despite all of our hang ups which has more to do with political evolution than any thing else, the common Pakistani is hundred times more tolerant and accepting of differing points of view on politics and religion than an Indian (though that simply means that we don`t burn people for following a religion other than ours but we pretty much do everything else)...

Other than the constitution - written by Dr. Ambedkar who was a prominent member of the anti-Gandhi anti-Congress camp pre-1947- there is hardly anything good about India and constitution clearly has not been enough to change their mentality.

Manto mian,

(the only interactors repetitively abusing other people because of their religion or ethnicity are Indians like Sadna and yourself. )

Behram sahib is Indian???

Regards

Dear BJ,

As usual your attempts to fluff up Sadna must be appreciated by her but they are so fake and ridiculous.

For once I completely agree. The ``Collected Works of Mahatma Gandhi`` is a completely dubious source since it consists of the written word of the biggest fraud in human history: The racist casteist Hindu fascist bigot Gandhi. It is a dubious source but that is not a reflection on me but rather the subject.

As for Sadna`s posts... calling her post anything but what they are really are: a pile of hogwash and lies with little facts (she does manage to sound convincing to those who wish to believe her... but my own experience with her is that almost without exception her sources and quotes don`t actually say what she ``thinks`` they say or what she wants them to say``. Constantly harping the mantra of how we evil Pakistanis hate Hindus, Jews etc... from what we see on these boards, the only interactors repetitively abusing other people because of their religion or ethnicity are Indians like Sadna and yourself.


FOLIO,

Get a life.