Re-Imagining Pakistan

faisaluno #95 posted the following(chowk staff`s selective censorship gets on my nerves and makes me see red):

pakistanis being a zinda qaum dont like khussies. and hoodbhoy is the king of khussies as this ho hum, run-of-the-mill speech clearly demonstrates. hoodbhoy`s khusiness ensures that he is treated in the same manner that chomsky is treated by the americans.

as this speech indicates, hoodbhoy essentially has a problem with islam and by extension with pak but he is too much of a khussy to say it. so instead he tries to make his argument in an underhand manner. he assigns cosmic importance to the actions of tiny minority of pakistanis who have a problem with pak, for example third-rate bengalis and three balochi sardars and he completely overlooks at achievements of jinnah and his successors who stitched together a country out of thin air and nurtured it an an environment where three of its neighbours were working to sabotage its very existence.

to make his case hoodhbhoy recycles motheaten arguments such as adaption of urdu even though an overwhelming majority of pakistanis have adapted it as a national language. note that getting people to adapt a language against their wishes is probably one of the most difficult human endeavours. and given the dheeth nature of pakistani qaum there is absolutely zero possibility that urdu could have been imposed from the top. in fact if a referendum on language was to take place, most pakistanis would vote for urdu over english. hoodhbhoy however completely ignores the desires of majority of pakistanis. why? because he has contempt for what pak represents and it is for this reason that he accords legitimacy to the actions of its opponents even if the opponents are scumbags like balochi sardars.

the best way to deal with the likes of hoodbhoy is to give them enough rope. the more they speak, the more damage they do to their own standing. and to check the difference between a khussy and a ghazi, check out what jinnah said to students in peshawer:

``...You must learn to distinguish between your love for your province and your love and duty to the State as a whole our duty to the State takes us a stage beyond provincialism. It demands a broader sense of vision, and greater sense of patriotism. Our duty to the State often demands that we must be ready to submerge our individual or provincial interests into the common cause for common good. Our duty to the State comes first; our duty to our Province, to our district, to our town and to our village and ourselves comes next.

...We must develop a sense of patriotism which should galvanise and weld us all into one united and strong nation. That is the only way in which we can achieve our goal, the goal of our struggle, the goal for which millions of Mussalmans have lost their all and laid down their lives...``

little minds with little problems.:((
what a waste of energy and time. Poor Hoodbhoy has to tackle mind numbing ignorants and take rants of runts into his stride.

Sad day indeed.

little minds with little problems.:((
what a waste of energy and time. Poor Hoodbhoy has to tackle mind numbing ignorants and take rants of runts into his stride.

Sad day indeed.

chowk staff`s filtering was warranted in this case, there`s no reason to call the professor names because you don`t agree with his views

i personally found the title of the article inflammatory, maybe a tactic used to get a reaction out of people... and about the commencement speech, it was very long winded, i bet a lot of graduates fell asleep in the middle.

I think a valid discussion can take place about the merits or demerits of Dr Hoodbhoy`s arguments but I find it in poor taste to challenge the academic or scholarly achievements of this man just because he comments on Pakistan`s social issues or has liberal beliefs.

Dr Hoodbhoy is a highly cited and noted physicist. Just a cursory search on google scholar will show that he has a vast number of published work in numerous journals and research publications primarily in Physics and some in the social sciences.
Arguing against the academic credentials of a person who ``holds a Ph.D in nuclear physics from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and is the recipient of the Abdus Salam Prize for Mathematics, the Baker Award for Electronics, Faiz Ahmad Faiz Prize for contributions to education in Pakistan, and the UNESCO Kalinga Prize for the popularization of science`` will only cause loss of credbility for one`s argument. UNESCO lists 57 Physics related scholarly publications for Dr Hoodbhoy (http://www.unesco.org/science/psd/prizes/kalinga/kalinga_hoodbhoy.shtml) and his own book`s foreward was written by none other than the great Dr Abdus Salam.

I think what Dr Hoodbhoy has said in his commencement speech should be analyzed and read together with Jinnah`s ideals and not as a failure of his vision or an attack on the founding principles of Pakistan. I may not agree with every single aspect of Dr Hoodbhoy`s speech or his arguments but that doesn`t mean I diss his notable academic credentials or discount the predominantly positive aspects of his message.

hello
jinnah`s quote was `unity,faith and discipline`, not faith,unity and discipline, I wonder why it has been changed to latter by the officials or whoever-

thanks.

Hood(lum)bhoy`s piece is really verbose, monotonous and unstirring. One wonders if it can galvanise a generally supine people who have allowed the three Ms (Miltry, Mullahs and Mrica) to dictate their lives these past sixty years

#103 does writing put downs of pakistanis make you feel less like a macaca?? :-)

#97 by sadna on December 14, 2006 12:45pm PT


faisaluno #95 posted the following(chowk staff`s selective censorship gets on my nerves and makes me see red):

pakistanis being a zinda qaum


zinda?

A.Q. Khan
Bajaur
Stone age.
etc.
etc.

95 - faisal
[...as this speech indicates, hoodbhoy essentially has a problem with islam ...]

Yep - because islam is the problem.... Hoodbhoy has correctly dignosed what is wrong with pakiland... it`s too much of islam...

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Re: # 21 by mohar11 on December 13, 2006 7:34pm PT
Re: # 13

Sure - mullahs will go.... I have a bridge in brooklyn I can sell - wanna buy it?...

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Funny how counter-cashiers at a Brooklyn 7-11 now claim to own the bridge too. hahahha!
May be too much of free coke did that to the little man.

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You pakis need serious kicks on your islamic bu!tts...

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And the kicks will come thanks to Bihari hijras! hahah!

Re: # 107

Why - you forgot 1971 already?... Bihari is only person who can make you islamofash!ts see the reality... it`s overdue... :)

The problem of Pakistanis is right here in one paragraph of Dr. Hoodbhoy`s long essay. Yeah baby! dish out the leftie-commie schemes of tax the rich schemes.

Professor Hoodbhoy may be great is physics, but unfortunately he is nill in economics and here are the golden quotations.

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Dr. Hoodbhoy - First, we need to bring economic justice to Pakistan. This requires that it possess the working machinery of a welfare state.

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This ``ill-fair`` welfare state concept is a dirty mixture of made up Islamic history and modern day show-shaw-lism.

Yeah we all heard about Hazrat Umar (rah) making sure that even stray dogs got fed in the evening. Hazrat Umar was able to achieve this based on the immense Maal-e-Ghanimat (war-booty) filling the coffers of Islamic emirates.

Pakistan unfortunately do not have access to the Maal-e-Ghanimat. We instead kill our rich, destroy their industries, and then live off on Bakhsheesh of the Europeans.

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Dr. Hoodbhoy - Economic justice is not the same as flinging coins at beggars. Rather, it requires organizational infrastructure that, at the very least, provides employment

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Government providing employment is the most misunderstood concept among the commies. They feel government is the big-Moma baring its ``teets`` to every young man in the country. They feel the big-Moma can lay there, and all these little country men can go suck the sustenance out of her.

Time and again this big-Moma theory has failed in Pakistan, and still the likes of Hoodbhoys are parroting the age-old show-shaw-list mantra.

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Dr. Hoodbhoy - Incomes should be neither exorbitantly high nor miserably low. To be sure, “high” and “low” are not easily quantifiable, but an inner moral sense informs us

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OK so the good doctor hints at the commie concept of state-controlled ``high-low`` big-Moma system. Fortunately he quickly accepts his fallacy but then again relies on show-shaw-list ``inner moral sense`` to ``inform us`` that go out and kill the rich. This is nothing but petty copy of Big-Moma revolutionaries aka Fidels, and Chavezes.

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Dr. Hoodbhoy - that something is desperately wrong when rich Pakistanis fly off to vacation in Dubai while a mother commits suicide because she cannot feed her children.

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Funny that our professor is so good in Physics research, but then quickly throws out all the concepts of surveying and research when it comes to the economy. Does this good doctor care to quote how many Pakistani families are flying off to Dubai for vacations? and then how many ``mothers`` are committing suicides because ``they cannot feed her children``.

Sad indeed that Dr. Hoodbhoy has thrown caution to the winds, and dumped all his practice of research straight down the drain.

All of you guys are wrong. Only that dear boy Yasser Latif Hamdani is correct.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with Pakistanis or indeed, for that matter, with Muslims. Before the casteist racist pig Gandhi brought in religiosity into politics, Muslims were the most advanced people in the subcontinent, if not in the entire world, who were peace-loving, progressive in their outlook, prosperous, creative, inquisitive with a scientific bent, tolerant and anything else you could wish in a modern human being. It took just one man, the casteist racist pig Gandhi, to convert such an advanced civilization into today`s heap of human misery in both Pakistan and India. But for the casteist racist pig Gandhi, the subcontinent`s Muslims would be monopolizing the Nobel Prizes from 1947 onwards to the total exclusion of the hated Jews who would be begging for mercy from the Ummah and of course the subcontinent`s Muslims, true to their heritage, would have been generous toward them.

The casteist racist pig Gandhi caused Pakistan to pass the Hudood Ordinances. The casteist racist pig Gandhi caused the Pak army to overthrow the elected governments. The casteist racist pig Gandhi sowed the seeds of secession in the black hearts of the East Bengalis whose women volunteered ``comfort duty`` for visiting Pak soldiers. The casteist racist pig Gandhi has even caused the Pak army to kill civilians in Balochistan. In fact, it is the lingering influence of the casteist racist pig Gandhi that got Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto, the greatest patriot Pakistan has known, hanged. In fact, Yasser Latif Hamdani wouldn`t be surprised if DNA tests establish that Gen. Zia ul-Haq was fathered by the casteist racist pig Gandhi through one of his nieces.

Casteist racist pig Gandhi murdabad!

Pakistan Paindabad!

Pak GDP falls to 6.6pc from 7.8pc: WB

By our correspondent

ISLAMABAD: The Gross Domestic Product (GDP) in South Asia is estimated to have expanded at a very rapid pace of 8.2 per cent in 2006.

India led the way with its GDP growing by an estimated 8.7 per cent, backed by non-agricultural growth in excess of 10 per cent. The output in Pakistan is estimated to have slowed from 7.8 to 6.6 per cent, following a return to more normal agricultural production in the wake of a bumper harvest in 2005, says the World Bank in its report titled ‘Global Economic Prospects 2007: Managing the Next Wave of Globalisation’.

TaikoNUT,

U seem to be an omniscient???

OK. As for welfare state, he`s not wrong. If that`s the case then Jinnah was wrong coz Jinnah wanted Pakistan to be welfare state.

As for people flying-off to Dubai and ignoring the dying mothers. Is it an irrational concern? I dont think so.

In Europe the ordinary people contribute small amounts for care agencies who in turn channelise money for better causes like helping the homeless, destitutes, orphans, diseased and many more welfare causes. If we look at our societies we dont have that kind of network of social service organisations. Infact charity is a multi-million £ public activity in UK atleast. I guess similar chairty activity happens in all the developed western countries. Collectively India and Pakistan are failures on this count.(People can jump-in and say abt Zakat but western charity networks and desi Zakat networks are qualitatively world apart).

Dr. Hoodbhoy`s concerns on economic issues are learned opinions than show-shaw-listic (in ur lingo) mumbo-jumbo.