Sanskritization, de-Sanskritization and Colonial Rule

ally, I am Telugu speaking south Indian. Most of the south Indian language scripts seems to have evolved from the Brahmi script. If south Indian languages and scripts evolved from the areas of Indus civilization, i am sure Sindhi must have its own scipt, not sure what it is though.

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From the Redhouse Buyuk Elsozlugu

Ordu - Army
Orduevi - mil Officers Club
Ordugah - Military camp, military encampment

As far as i am aware Ordu is where the word Urdu originates from. In modern Turkish the language Urdu is known as Urduca.]

Thank you very much. In the movie ``Topkapi``, there is a scene where soldiers pour out of a compound signposted ``Ordu``. That is why I asked. ;)

To think that Urdu, a langauge primarily composed of words borrowed from several languages, is considered a literary language, when it evolved as a means of communications among disparate tribes! If Urdu is now considered a ``refined`` language, surely the credit goes for that goes to the natives of India. I believe Lucknawi Urdu is considered the best form of Urdu. I truly hope Pakistanis haven`t destroyed it by adding Punjabi words to it!

Harimau,

Urdu came from the camps of the Moghuls apparently. It has become refined, and the Luknovi traditions are well and alive in Lucknow and Karachi. If you study Urdu literature from united India of the 30`s and 40`s (i think the most interesting times and literature) you will come across authors such as Munshi Prem Chand, Rajinder Singh Bedi and others, it was a language not defined by religion at all.

Regards Punjabi, the opposite has happened much of Punjabi in Pakistan has been Urdu-ised and in India it has been Hindi-ised. It is only in the country side you will hear a purer Punjabi, and it shares a lot in common with Sindhi and other local North Indian Languages. Due to all these languages beign North Indian, Urdu included, they do share some similar words but thats about all.

Urdu in Pakistan has not allowed words from Punjabi or Sindhi to enter into the Urdu lexicon, which would just enhance the language even more, instead of `destroying` it as you say.

Every language evolves, and for all our languages the next big influence is English, however, the sad part is that we are not Asianising the English we borrow instead using it directly into our languages making Urdu/Hindi/Punjabi/Any other language sound jaded and the English seems not to fit into it properly.

Srk

I will look into see what the script for Punjabi and Sindhi was before Perso-Arabic and Devanagri, tho i think it might be Devanagri as this is what is used for Sanskrit and probably what was used to write all languages of the area.

123 # srk,

Though I am not sure if Sindhi ever had its own script. I am sure Kashmiri had its own script & that`s called Saraswat or something of that name. Now nobody knew it. Persian had replaced it.

Sindhi at some point in history in the ancient past wud have had its own script.

Nevertheless the north-west India (Sindh) had some historical evidence in the form of rock edicts of Asokan empire. The script found in that edict was Kharosti and that`s written from right to left i.e similar to Persian.

If Tibet with its natural barrier in the form of Himalayas had a script that is derived (sic) from Brahmi, I dont think why Sindhi had not one that`s not derived from Brahmi or a variant of that is written from left to right. In any case geographical proximity of Sindh to Persia and its infleunce thereof cant be ignored as Sindh was the extreme backyard of Indian mainland.

The sufi traditions point to the preponderence of Hindu religon and surnames point to the influence of Persian in Sindh. If Kutch and Thar desert was the buffer btw Sindh mainland India, the difficult Balochistan was the buffer btw Sindh and Persia.

Nevertheless, Sindhi MUST have had its own script which can be called its own which is not Indus script (cuniform) coz it`s totally pictographic.

Btw, Iravatham Mahadevan wrote a world-class masterpiec on Indus script.

persians themselves did not use arabic script untill islam. they used some kinda aramic (pehlavi) etc..so sindhis or panjabis have unlikely to used shahmukhi.

Matter (bhoothasanghatham) can be understood in three modes, solid, lequid and gas. then interaction between them or reactive force and the space for that to happen. these are earth (solid), water (lequid), and gas (air). Reaction is fire and space is akasha. the pancha bhootha. Man also can be understood as bhootha diminent qualities,air (thought) oriented or brahmin, fire (action) oriented kshatriya, water or imotion oriented vayas and earth oriented sudras.thats how the classification came. what it is now is a distorted version as all classic sciences of great India is currently practiced!!

ssissu, how did you reach those conclusions?