An Untouchable Apology

RE- #142 by harimau

I am really overwhelmed with all the thanks that you are giving me.

OK. OK. OK. I accept your whole-hearted thanks.

I always knew you were a good taker of gifts but did not know you would thank me so much. And you have’nt given me anything back yet? That’s alright. You are not only NOT a Christian but also a Brahmin. I forgive you.

You are a Naughty boy. And I am a little annoyed. There is few more hours to go before Christmas and you’ve already opened your presents !!!

And tho I want to just put you upside down on my lap and spank you, I am gonna leave you alone this time because you are just a little cutie-pie.

Harimau, you are my new BFF. Hugs and Kisses

Everyone here, please treat Harimau gently.

You know my Santa bag was over-flowing with presents for you but I just did want to give it all. Sometimes giving a lot of presents make you more of a Grinch than Santa. Don’t you agree?

I know, I know, I know – now you want to know if I am going to go on my conversion missions to tribal areas of India again?

Yes! Your overwhelming support makes me wanna go and make India a 100% Christian Nation today!!! And I will go to every corner of India spread the gospel of Jesus Christ and make all your wishes come true.

Thanks for all the love and support. I am overwhelmed.

Bye. Bye.

Ref paulose #145

[Yes! Your overwhelming support makes me wanna go and make India a 100% Christian Nation today!!! And I will go to every corner of India spread the gospel of Jesus Christ and make all your wishes come true.]

Do you actually HAVE to import Jesus, Mary, Joseph, etc., from the Middle East?

There are a lot of unwed mothers in India who are disclaiming any carnal knowledge. Could we have a Maragatham as your next Mother of the Son of God? Also, camels are not native to Kerala and it will be a strange sight when the Three Wise Men ride through Kerala looking for an unwed mother and a newborn baby. Can we substitute elephants for camels?

Ref paulose #145

[Yes! Your overwhelming support makes me wanna go and make India a 100% Christian Nation today!!! And I will go to every corner of India spread the gospel of Jesus Christ and make all your wishes come true.]

While you are at it, would you tell them the story of how the Portuguese thought the Mar Thoma Church followers to be heretics and in fact captured a new Metropolitan of the Church sent to India by the Patriarch of Antioch and burnt him at the stake in Goa after subjecting him to the tortures of the Inquisition?

Ref paulose #145

[Yes! Your overwhelming support makes me wanna go and make India a 100% Christian Nation today!!! And I will go to every corner of India spread the gospel of Jesus Christ and make all your wishes come true.]

You are likely to be succesful in your endeavors. After all, most of the Masanamuthus, Bhagwan Dases, and Kunhikrishnans think that if only they get a college degree they will actually have an education and are following the Brahmins into Western-style education a century after the Brahmins started doing that. Folks like you of the Christian and Muslim persuasion have taken this apeing to the next level and are actually copying the behavioral patterns of Europeans and Arabs respectively in religion and personal lives too.

``Monkey see, monkey do`` fits you guys to a T. No wonder Tahmed32 calls you all macacas. I am inclined to agree with him.

Re: # 60

So mature!

Re:paulose#130

[....Remember both US and Canada are Christian Countries...]

Man, what is it with these converts and their identity crises? First the pakis, now the mallu converts. Its like a bunch of eunuchs (hijras) boasting about the size of their brother`s penis. Except in this case, it is not even a brother, but some totally alien nation.

Paulose, save christianity in the west before spreading it in India. In Europe, people are giving up on it and becoming aethist/secular. With Paedophile priests chasing young boys all day, what else do you expect?

Re: # 60

I do not get this. Having a dick god what rubbish is this. The dick is one of his manifestations and there is nothing wrong with manifestations. Oh I forget the errand boy of the Bedouin moon god forbade manifestations.

But my dear peadophilia is a crime.

Aisha ji do not get the difference between a manifestation and a crime.

But to do so Ms Sawari would have to use her brain. Something pakis are not known to do so.

Regards
Sanatani

Re: # 100

Harimau,

behenchOOOOD. What is your problem. There is no place for your type in Tamil Nadu do you wish to lose your adopted homes in North India as well.

So suddenly it has become the state legislating and having xtians and muslims as XO`s temple trusts. BTW HRCE is an entity unique to Tamil nad. In other states you have temple boards for each different temple. They explicityly FORBID (forget muslais or xtians) even Sikhs and Budhists from heading them.

Ok this is typically dishonest behaviour who gave you or your caste bretheren the key to be boss of Meenakshi Temple. It belongs WITHOUT EXCEPTION OR RESTRICTION TO all Hindus including converts not just of TN but all over India, Nepal, Bali and other Hindus of Indian origin.

The sad fact is who collaborated the most with the Muslims or Xtians Brahmins and Kayasths(but not all Brahmins) specifically the biggest collaborators were Tam Brahms and Bong Brahms and Kshmir Brahms and Kayasths of all hues.

Esp during the time of the Brits all these muslai and xtian friendly measures were taken by these people and most of the nehruvian cok suckers were from these communities.

For the tambrahms and kash brahms the greatness and glorification of the Sanatan Dharam, Hindu Samaj or Bharat Mata does not figure in their agenda what figures is preservation of a naroow caste elite and caste privilege. (The Bongs are equally bad but at least they have had an occasional Dr Shyama Prasad Mukherjee as a redeemer but is not the same with these scumbags)

Listen HARIMAU iyer Hindu Samaj has spoken there will be people from all castes as Priests and all castes will be Dwij and wear the sacred thread and when you children (if not your children then I promise this to you, your grandchildren) will have their thread ceremony done by a Brahmin from a Dalit caste or not at all.

One more promise I make to you we will never give them the option of converting to islam or xtianity. A failure to accept the janeyu from a Brahmin from a Dalit caste will be treated as apostasy and treason to the Sanatan Dharam, Hindu Samaj or Bharat Mata and H Iyer traitors deserve DEATH.

No Regards
Sanatani

Re: # 110

Very well Naqshbandi I take up this challenge,

Apart from Meenakshipuram conversions which happened in 1981 show me one instance in History recorded by Muslim or Xtian chroniclers where it shows that any Hindus converted to Islam due to its so called egalitarian nature.

Oh and By the way you can read what happened to Sultana Razia`s abbysinian (habshi) slave lover [the turkish nobles around her father threatened to revolt if she married him and to prevent his death he was exiled] and I can give you the example of Maharani Durgawati who berated her father for refusing to accept the Rishta of a Gond Prince (she was Rajput and the other person was a Gond and lower in the caste hierarchy) her chastened father immediately saw the error of her ways and married her to the said prince.

I will also give you the example of Maha Bhaktini Meerabai who took Deeksha from Guru Shiromani Guru Shri Ravidasji and incidentally was a chamar (or in your famous Syed Shri teshah`s word a shoodar or choorha).

Let us also know how many Mughal, Turk, Afghan Princesses` became saints and took deeksha from forget Chamar`s an Ansari or Qureshi would do. (Ok there is no concept of deeksha in Islam so fine instuctions in Koran would do and since the muslai errand boy forbade mixing of sexes on the ground that a woman is an excitable piece of arse always given to debauchery and adultery you could give me an example of queshi or ansari women teaching royal ladies the kooran would do)

Now poor naqshi will say ``you see qureshi and ansari women were not given education so how could they...``. So we can come to the bestial and brutal nature of this cult call islam but thats another story.

Naqshi ab yeh maan liya ke ansari or qureshi auraton ko shiksha (taleem) nahin milti thi. Par syed aurton ki to phuddi thi. Yeh batao kitni syed aurtein ghulam sultanon se bhyahi gayi (nikah parha gaya).

Fuuuccckkkk you you liar

Sanatani

Re: # 118

Ok paulose,

let us see you put spin on ``limpieza de sangre``? Or tell me does an intellectually challenged moron like you does not know what this great Catholic dogma and purge about.

Awaiting an answer you fkkking converted assole and assol;e answer my questions raised in jai caste.

Sanatani

Ok to really see and know what kind of scum xtians are this is chapter 2 of HISTORY OF HINDU-CHRISTIAN ENCOUNTERS called ``Encounter in Malabar``.

Let us see paulose giving spin to this or giving a factual counter to this

2
Encounter in Malabar

It is not known whether the news of the Christian onslaught on Hinduism in the Roman Empire reached India. One wonders whether the merchants and monks who survived and returned home grasped the import of what was happening. If they gave to their countrymen an account of what they had witnessed in a distant land, the record has not survived or is not yet known. Nor do we know how the Hindus at home reacted, if at all. What we do know, however, is that Hinduism in India had not heard of Christianity when the two had their second encounter, this time inside the homeland of Hinduism.


The Hindus of Malabar were the first to see Christians arriving in their midst. They were mostly refugees from persecution in Syria and later on in Iran. Christians in Syria were persecuted by their own brethren in faith. They had become suspect in Iran from the fourth century onwards when Iran’s old adversary, the Roman Empire, became a Christian state. They suffered repeated persecutions in both countries. As most of them were heretics in the eyes of Christian orthodoxy, they could not go west. So they fled towards India and China, which two countries were known for their religious tolerance throughout the ages. Later on, they were joined by refugees from Armenia flying from Christian heresy-hunters.


The record that has been preserved by the Christian refugees themselves tells us that they were received well by the Hindus of Malabar. Hindu Rajas gave them land and money grants for building houses and churches. Hindus in general made things so pleasant for them that they decided to stay permanently in Malabar. No Hindu, Raja or commoner, ever bothered about what the refugees believed or what god they worshipped. No one interfered with the hierarchs who came from Syria from time to time to visit their flock in India and collect the tithes. In due course, the refugees came to be known as Syrian Christians.


It is not known how the Syrian Christians viewed their Hindu neighbours. If they despised the Hindus as heathens, they kept it a closely guarded secret. Nor did they try to evangelize and convert the Hindus, the two practices which had been proclaimed by the Founding Fathers of the Church as inseparable parts of the Christian Creed and inalienable rights of Christians everywhere. On the contrary, they lost their separate identity and became a part of the local population, so much so that Christian travellers who came to these parts in the thirteenth and fourteenth centuries did not notice them as different from Hindus. They learnt the local language and took to Hindu modes in dress and food and the other externals of life. They intermarried with certain sections of Hindu society. Even inside their churches, their rituals acquired the character of Hindu pUjA.


Latter-day Christian theologians and historians would claim that Syrian Christianity had. a tremendous impact on Hinduism. The notion of One God which some sixteenth-century missionaries “discovered” in Hinduism would be seen as a contribution of Christianity. Nineteenth-century Christian scholars would assert that Hindus had derived the concepts of bhakti (devotion) and mukti (salvation) from the Christian contact in South India which was held by Hindus as the original home of the medieval Bhakti Movement. Christ was seen disguised in Krishna who figured prominently in certain Vaishnava schools of bhakti. Hindu philosophies like the advaita of Shankara and the vishisTAdvaita of Ramanuja were also traced to Christian sources.


No scholar today takes these hair-brained Christian speculations seriously. The current fashion among scholars of medieval India is to see Islam as the source of the Bhakti Movement. But that is a different story. it is also a different story that some Christian theologians are trying to use advaita and vishisTAdvaita as vehicles for implanting Christianity into the heart of Hinduism. What is pertinent in the present context is that the Syrian Christians were never known to their Hindu neighbours for spiritual or philosophical profundities. The only thing that was known about them was that they were hardworking and intelligent businessmen, some of whom had succeeded as prosperous spice merchants. They were also known for keeping slaves as well as trading in them.


The significant point to be noted about the Syrian Christians, however, is their sudden change of colour as soon as the Portuguese arrived on the scene. They immediately rallied round the Portuguese and against their Hindu neighbours, and when the Portuguese started pressurizing the Hindu Rajas for extraterritorial rights so that their co-religionists could be “protected”, the Syrian Christians evinced great enthusiasm everywhere. They became loyal subjects of the king of Portugal and pious adherents of the Roman Catholic Church. Was it the demonstration of Portuguese power which demoralised the Syrian Christians and made them do what they did? Or was it the Christian doctrine which, though it lay dormant for a long time, surfaced at the first favourable opportunity? The matter has to be examined. Looking at the behaviour of Syrian Christians ever since, the second proposition seems to be nearer the truth.1

Footnotes:

1 cf. K.M. Panikkar, Malabar and the Portuguese. Bombay, 1929.

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paulose mian,

Subhashjoshiji please let me know mian is to muslim as

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to xtian. Is hamam mein muslai or xtian nange hai par Hindu ne unstitched cloth ka langot (loincloth pehna hai).

Abhi to tum sirf nage ho ab tumhe naga kar ke tumhara chowk mein pradarshan karenge.

Sanatani

paulose mian,

Subhashjoshiji please let me know mian is to muslim as

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to xtian. Is hamam mein muslai or xtian nange hai par Hindu ne unstitched cloth ka langot (loincloth pehna hai).

Abhi to tum sirf nage ho ab tumhe naga kar ke tumhara chowk mein pradarshan karenge.

Sanatani

Re: # 136

Satyaji,

Jai Shriram. We had this great guy in JNU who was a chamar by caste but had a drinking problem. Once drunk he would puke all over the place and sometimes even fall into it and sleep there till the intoxication wore of.

One kayashth dude once said abe chamar aur kya karega. Next Day in front of everybody I berated him and said can no you not behave with the dignity of a chamar. He was mystified and so was evryone else. I said when I think of a chamar I think of Shri Guru Ravidass everyone was stunned into silence. Futher I told him if a chamar could give Deeksha to a princess from the royal house of Marwar given as a bahu to the house of Mewar (the Gehlot Sisodias the Mewar Mahrana is the Surya of all Hindus) he can be a role model to all Hindus.

You would never have seen a goup of people clean up their act so fast. While caste barriers did not break down totally the UC`s looked at with new respect to the SC`s and the SC`s shed their (alternating) inferiority/abusive complex towards UC`s. Then at my suggestion all of them adopted the cardinal and timeless principles of the Sanatan Dharam namely Dhriti, Kshama, Damoh, Asteyam, Shauch etc as thier creed.

These were people who were Hindus but had a nagging discomfort at being Hindus because of the relentless anti Hindu propaganda that the 4M brigade gives.

Post this they became baudhik Kshatriyas. All of them had joined JNU to become Babus but all of them became entrpreneurs. Today no fkr of the 4M brigade is able to take them on with anti Hindu propaganda.

Regards
Sanatani

BTW are you Kamleshwar Paswan by any chance

Satyam vadi and Satya 11 are the same nick registerd for this article on 24 the dec speaking from both opposite sides of his ends

Re: # 159, tokinin, bhai, tum koun ho - Jasoos ?

sanatani, the hardcore castiest, tamasic (TamSick on this board), are very few. You do not see/meet them in your day to day life, and they do not have much influence. What you do see, are people who are castiest in their minds, this applies to all castes UC/LC. This is changing slowly and will take time.

I feel that ‘dharm ke thekadaar’ can do a lot in this matter, because there are so many who listen to them – the BJPs/ShivSenas/VHPs/RSSs/ and various Swamiji, Babaji’s and Papaji’s. I also feel that, the dalit parties, instead of being selfish, and always targeting UC , should ‘at least’ , once in a while acknowledge the hard work and sacrifice of Non-Dalits and UC, in enlistment of poor. It is responsibility of all Hindus, to stop pointing fingers and clean up our religion.

Paulose (#130), I know how the sprit of giving works. One Mr. Aison, who worked for me at a construction company told me that he was given Rs 2000, some pics. of Jesus Christs and the Bible, and was told to come to church. He regularly went to church for few months and then stopped going. The same people came back to him again, paid him another Rs 2000 for getting him back into church. I am not sure how many more souls you plan to save this way. But tell your pope that India is growing economically, and Rs 2000 will not be sufficient to buy poor people.

Merry Christmas.

Harimau thambi, get well soon.