Get over the Victim Syndrome

Utterly and completely respected Masadi Sahib,

From your #203, it is apparent that you believe that the Iraq scenario has nothing to do with oil. Well, why don`t you ask some ``research scholars`` at your ``institute`` to enlighten you on this aspect.

It also appears that you do not have much confidence in the nation`s capacity to handle crises. You would rather prophesy doom. Well, the plague be on you. Your ravings & rantings are hollow. Your sermonising is devoid of substance.

Economic, technological progress is inevitable. Our younger college going generation shall ensure that. Share their confidence. Share their enthusiasm. Try interacting with them for a change.

And no, the rest of the world does not consist of ``dimwits``.

okhla writes <<< It is high time you opened your eyes to the fact that the world is changing. Duo Core processors and Vista have arrived, like it or not. There is zero tolerance for terrorists and Jehadi mindsets like yours. The ``root cause`` alibi does not hold water any more >>>

I wish you would listen to your own advice. You are busy applying the same rules of the old colonial game, of divide and rule (balkanization), and oil (resource theft) and applying it to a new colonial power that works in different, more evolved ways. And one of those ways of this evolved neo-colonial power is to construct and manage ``reality`` of which the Jihadi fringe is an asset to them so don`t expect them to become ``marginal`` anytime soon.

Then this ``dimwit`` writes <<< And Pakistan shall emerge from this ordeal more stable, more determined and well on its way to economic progress. >>>

Pakistan being part of the larger US global ``farce`` war, is nothing new. It did not emerge from the last one more stable or developed and will not emerge from them one any different. It will go from one crisis to the other, from one dictator to the next and to problems greater than any it has faced before given the time it is losing in controlling them. By the way Ahmadenejad has emerged by design out of the plans of this evolved neo-colonial power, which has done everything to strengthen him, Musharraf giving him a phone call is no ``third world`` revolution...and finally, it is not about the oil stupid.

Chacha Zeemax,

Please let me have the right to disagree with you on some aspects. On the oil game, we are in unison. On some other points we may differ.

I think, Hugo Chavez in Venezuela is doing a commendable job of simultaneously cocking a snook at and being the fourth largest oil supplier to the US. And without any Jehad or Bombings or beheadings.

Zee, Correct me if I am wrong, but I sincerely believe that it is economic strength which acts as a greater deterrent in this century. ``Rag tag Jehadis`` exploding bombs in market places or sniping/ beheading soldiers and journalists shall find themselves increasingly marginalised in the evolving scheme of things. Mindsets which seriously believe that 9/11 was justified because there were sufficient ``root causes`` will not survive for long.

And Pakistan shall emerge from this ordeal more stable, more determined and well on its way to economic progress.

But Okhla,

Your #198 is completely in varience with my #197 which you agree with. What gives?

While saying ``There is zero tolerance for terrorists and Jehadi mindsets like yours. The ``root cause`` alibi does not hold water any more.``, you forget, it is only the rag tag Jehadis fighting to resist the Oil confiscation scenario, which is the root cause, and succeeding. Not any Oil state.

USA tried to confiscate Middle East Oil through military agression, and failed. Now it is trying through balkanisation of large Muslim states as you rightly say. Pakistan is next after Iran and noone should have any doubts towards that.

#199 by okhla99

It is all the more important that Pakistan should ensure that its own self interests are protected in this dangerously evolving scenario.

Absolutely. I think Musharraf knows perfectly well what is going on, and is playing a very tough game. His phone call to Ahmedinejad (the first by any Pakistan ruler since ZAB), initiative in the offer to mediate in the Israel/Palestinian dispute (even though Pak has no leverage in the matter, but still display of goodwill), announcing willingness to recognise Israel diplomatically once the dispute is resolved, and threat to distance Pakistan from the war on terror after the Pakistan Checkpost attack by Nato, are all signs of a visible shift.

The strongest leverage that Pakistan has is China in this Oil game. Even though Pakistan does not have Oil, but it does have the energy clearing house at Gwadar soon coming online. I don`t know if anyone realises it but Gwadar is solely for Chinese energy interests.

As for USA`s designs, these are nothing new. My favourite and oft-repeated quote is what James Baker III had said to Inder Kumar Gujral in 1991 ``Oil is our very civilization, and we will never allow nomads to sit on it``.

Zeemax,

I think you have it spot on. The game is all about control over the oil resources. And this can, in the opinion of the think tank, be easily achieved by balkanisation of the Iran-Iraq-Pakistan region. Small states with oil resources can be ``managed`` effectively (the Kuwait model). Other small & medium states without any significant oil resources can surely be relied upon to maintain a hostile environment with constant mini wars amongst themselves. These regional conflicts shall continuously threaten to spill over into and engulf the ``oil holders`` which would be ``duly protected`` by the US. For a price.

And we have seen the de-facto fracturing of Iraq. The country is slowly drifting towards a Shia Sunni (and maybe Kurd) kind of a political & geographic divide. The possibility of a split up into smaller independent states (mutually hostile) looms large in the medium range future. It is all the more important that Pakistan should ensure that its own self interests are protected in this dangerously evolving scenario.

Utterly & Completely Respected Masadi Sahib,

It is high time you opened your eyes to the fact that the world is changing. Duo Core processors and Vista have arrived, like it or not. There is zero tolerance for terrorists and Jehadi mindsets like yours. The ``root cause`` alibi does not hold water any more. The despots and the dictators will fall, one by one. The world is moving on, not that it really matters to you cave dwellers. Pakistan`s economy has to progress and conform. IMF and World Bank are not enemies of Pakistan as you would have us believe. Pakistan`s Polity has to evolve into credible institutionalized frameworks. Models of successful countries can be adapted to our requirements.

Pakistan shall survive the current crisis, and in a few years it will occupy its rightful place in the comity of nations. Head held high. The young generation are intelligent, articulate and do not really care for archaic notions. This, in your exalted opinion, is blasphemy but then you know what your exalted opinion is really worth.

And no, the rest of the world does not consist of dimwits. Feroz or Tahmed or Freethinker or Hamidm or many others whom you casually dismiss as ``dimwits`` are many times more intelligent than your fellow residents of lululand.

tahmed32

Do go out and buy a book named ``The blood of the Earth. The politics of Oil`` by Dilip Hiro.

I`m sure you will change your mind.

USA has almost used up it`s own oil, and whatever remains has to be extracted with donkey pumps (hen-peck). While in the Middle-East, no pumps are needed. You just dig a hole and Oil comes gushing out by it`s own pressure. The cost difference is between $ 40 a barrel and $ 5 a barrel respectively. China and India`s vehicle per thousand of population is 0.10 now. If it even becomes 1 per thousand in ten years of further growth, you can imagine the increase in demand. According to Dilip Hiro, the fair price of oil is $ 200 a barrel even now taking expected consumption into account.

Now my own analysis of the movement in oil prices from $78 per barrel to $52 is due to Saudia and Kuwait increasing production at USA`s behest so USA can replenish and build up its gasoline storage stocks which fell to minimal due to refinery closures because of Katrina. Once these stocks are at levels to sustain USA consumption for a few months, Bush will widen the M.E. conflict.

I hope these facts lift some blinkers from trusting eyes of USA`s intentions.

The author writes <<< If Pakistan doesn’t have a welfare system for the poor, if the chaudhry of your pind abducts the innocent girl for his pleasure while the administration sits idly by, if public health care system is a sham, if numerous school systems are running in parallel out of which only one is capable of producing “winners” hence too expensive & out of reach of about the 90% populous, if the laws of the country are only enforced on you if your uncle isn’t a brigadier in the army; if your imam sahib asks you to go blow yourself up in the mosque down the road so you can be on the fast route to the promise-land, then how is that a doing of Jews and Christians? >>>>

A typical illiterate/uneducated methodology of looking at the surface and then generalizing to causation, without having any clue that public issues like the above cannot be fixed by personal responsibility because they have institutional causes that transcend the poor countries and have to do with global forces, as a result the effects of them are not geography specific, or religion specific or nationality specific. If Pakistan develops a social welfare system, a viable political institution that serves the people and that cuts into its other expenditures and stance that serves the West, surely your global institutions like the IMF and WB are going to make big noise, because doing such is part of their structural adjustment through which they circumvent the sovereignity of nations, they might even brand the nation ``terrorist``, if their indigenous occupation force, i.e. the Pak Military is somehow threatened, as they are itching to do with others that try to break free of their domination.

Further, the conditions created by such lack of basic necessities ensure that a climate where the lower thugs like your Chaudry of pind, or the mullah attains positions of power by taking over functions of non existant institutions, and the resulting chaos and crimes that are then detached from their roots and presented as bad cases of the national character as a whole. Even then, their crimes are much lower than the higher immorality that has become structured in Western institutions, that give a sanitized and flowery picture but rob and destroy entire countries. Look around the world scene and who is interfering in the affairs of every region of the world, who has military bases all over the globe and who dominates trade and finance while assigning labels to all that disagree with it. If you begin to understand that then you will understand that these petty effects you mention are caused by forces much bigger than any single country.

tahmed writes <<< you are bound by the chains of your own inferiority complex that you try to overcome by putting down others. >>>

Leave it to a unconditional slave of the West to tell others about their ``inferiority complex``. Of course pseudo-nut job- shrinks like tahmed will equate all calls for independance and freedom and self determination as ``inferiority complex``. They will also ignore the racism as social fact of the white elite as they force death and destruction and poverty among colored races while any attempt at breaking away from their system is termed by them as racism against whites. I don`t make stereotypical generalizations like you and your masters do about blacks and the rest of the colored world, I make scientific generalizations about the effects of the policies of those basta***, and their bast*** peons, the likes of you and Musharraf.

#193 so i sold my soul because i dont subscribe to your views about the ``evil elite``? in fact, i am a free man because i dont need to toe and political line and my soul is very much intact. and it is you who makes generalizations and racist remarks about the ``crimes of the white man`` who is the dimwit. and it is you who is a slave even without being put in chains - you are bound by the chains of your own inferiority complex that you try to overcome by putting down others.

so, like i said - your personal insults are as hollow as your self-important bs.

tahmed writes <<< your posts are as hollow when you are writing personal insults as when you are pontificating on politics.>>

people like you, who have sold their souls, their mamas and papas and their nation for half an ounce of white man sh** wouldn`t know anything about substance and ``hollow``/ Your ignorant dimwit is exceeded only by your lack of morals when you try to justify the crimes of the white man against humanity....

#191 masadi: you read my posts addressed to others even though you know i dont read your lengthy posts even if they are addressed to me. that makes you my campfollower. and only a sick individual would think that one would have ill-wishes to some individual in real life merely because of his obnoxious posts.

so call me whatever names you like - your posts are as hollow when you are writing personal insults as when you are pontificating on politics.

tahmed writes <<< #188 Greetings, my loyal campfollower. I hadnt heard your good wishes lately and was concerned about your welfarre. >>>

hypocrite

Re: # 185
BJKumar:

Whose photgraph is this?
What is this skinny, old half clad Fakir doing here on Chowk ? I he not yesterday`s man?
Do Indians know about him?

Kamath

#188 Greetings, my loyal campfollower. I hadnt heard your good wishes lately and was concerned about your welfarre.