Sarwar Sukhera December 24, 2006
#149 Posted by arjun2 on December 28, 2006 12:03:50 am
#148 by masadi on December 27, 2006 8:54pm PT
Other than that my days in the US are numbered
damn....how will America survive without the taxes on the 36$ of profits on the sale of your your books via lulu.com..
Other than that my days in the US are numbered
damn....how will America survive without the taxes on the 36$ of profits on the sale of your your books via lulu.com..
#148 Posted by masadi on December 27, 2006 8:54:37 pm
hamid writes <<< ........ i will also demonstrate to you that this ``hierarchy of inferiority`` is all in your head - it is a result of the victim mentality that people like you use to cover their own very obvious shortcomings .............. >>>
I don`t need dimwits to demonstrate social facts to me. Unlike your personal experience that is quite taken by the fakery put up by ``my best friend is black``, go a little deeper and you`ll hear about the ``racism against whites`` and ``war on christmas`` bs. The perfect specimen of white trash with half his teeth missing and living in the backside of his beat up camaro still feels superior to someone with dark skin. This is ingrained in the psyche of this nation, hidden for pecuniary motives at best, based on how it came to be and how the genocidal maniacs (they lovingly remember as ``fathers``) are still justified and revered. This `superiority-complex` and ill begotten illusions of being the best are displayed by the white man, of whatever nationality all over the world when he deals with it, even on the governmental level and is ingrained in his nation`s institutions, whatever that nation might be, and unfortunately has been internalized by dimwits like you and the peons of the West that govern our countries.
Of course all victimization can be justified by saying that the victims possess a `victim mentality` and their vicitmization is the result of personal defects and don`t have institutional precident, when social research all over the world, inter and intra country, reveals a very different picture.
Other than that my days in the US are numbered and I cannot make the trip to detroit to visit you. You squandered the opportunity when I lived but 50 miles away, though I am sure I didn`t miss much given by your nonsensical posts.
I don`t need dimwits to demonstrate social facts to me. Unlike your personal experience that is quite taken by the fakery put up by ``my best friend is black``, go a little deeper and you`ll hear about the ``racism against whites`` and ``war on christmas`` bs. The perfect specimen of white trash with half his teeth missing and living in the backside of his beat up camaro still feels superior to someone with dark skin. This is ingrained in the psyche of this nation, hidden for pecuniary motives at best, based on how it came to be and how the genocidal maniacs (they lovingly remember as ``fathers``) are still justified and revered. This `superiority-complex` and ill begotten illusions of being the best are displayed by the white man, of whatever nationality all over the world when he deals with it, even on the governmental level and is ingrained in his nation`s institutions, whatever that nation might be, and unfortunately has been internalized by dimwits like you and the peons of the West that govern our countries.
Of course all victimization can be justified by saying that the victims possess a `victim mentality` and their vicitmization is the result of personal defects and don`t have institutional precident, when social research all over the world, inter and intra country, reveals a very different picture.
Other than that my days in the US are numbered and I cannot make the trip to detroit to visit you. You squandered the opportunity when I lived but 50 miles away, though I am sure I didn`t miss much given by your nonsensical posts.
#147 Posted by hamidm2 on December 27, 2006 8:38:02 pm
Re: # 146
masadi,
...... i would like to extend to you the same invitation that i have extended to maulana urstruly in the past - let`s get together and see if we can`t cure you of your hemmorhoids and solve the issue of malevolent islam which threatens the civilized world ............. i will buy all the shirley temples you can drink but i must warn that world hunger, peace and global warming have to take a back seat if a leggy blonde walks into the bar ......
........ i will also demonstrate to you that this ``hierarchy of inferiority`` is all in your head - it is a result of the victim mentality that people like you use to cover their own very obvious shortcomings ..............
masadi,
...... i would like to extend to you the same invitation that i have extended to maulana urstruly in the past - let`s get together and see if we can`t cure you of your hemmorhoids and solve the issue of malevolent islam which threatens the civilized world ............. i will buy all the shirley temples you can drink but i must warn that world hunger, peace and global warming have to take a back seat if a leggy blonde walks into the bar ......
........ i will also demonstrate to you that this ``hierarchy of inferiority`` is all in your head - it is a result of the victim mentality that people like you use to cover their own very obvious shortcomings ..............
#146 Posted by masadi on December 27, 2006 8:22:03 pm
arjun writes <<< You`d rather people post pictures of men? >>>
Only a total retard would arrive at that conlcusion after reading that simple sentence, which you have deliberately mutilated. I don`t care whose pictures you and your ``kind and gentle`` friends post, do it on the special ``crayon scratching`` section that I recommended chowk create for you all. Let the others who care about fixing the pathetic state we are in, think about the issues on these other forums...
Only a total retard would arrive at that conlcusion after reading that simple sentence, which you have deliberately mutilated. I don`t care whose pictures you and your ``kind and gentle`` friends post, do it on the special ``crayon scratching`` section that I recommended chowk create for you all. Let the others who care about fixing the pathetic state we are in, think about the issues on these other forums...
#145 Posted by hamidm2 on December 27, 2006 8:15:15 pm
Re: # 139
naqshbandi,
.......... that was beautiful !.......... if i ever fall off the wagon and decide to regress back to islam, i will look you up .........
naqshbandi,
.......... that was beautiful !.......... if i ever fall off the wagon and decide to regress back to islam, i will look you up .........
#144 Posted by hamidm2 on December 27, 2006 8:09:59 pm
Re: # 142
masadi,
....... even though i disagree with his belief in god and the tooth fairy, thank god for people like naqshbandi, for he represents the kinder and gentler face of islam - the islam of my mother who never prayed more than once a day but distributed halwa, kheer and zarda a couple of times a year and regularly sacrificed a black bakra at the mazar of pir sahib in kohat .........
........ you and your murshid, osama bin laden, represent the joyless and dark face of islam ..... god save us
masadi,
....... even though i disagree with his belief in god and the tooth fairy, thank god for people like naqshbandi, for he represents the kinder and gentler face of islam - the islam of my mother who never prayed more than once a day but distributed halwa, kheer and zarda a couple of times a year and regularly sacrificed a black bakra at the mazar of pir sahib in kohat .........
........ you and your murshid, osama bin laden, represent the joyless and dark face of islam ..... god save us
#143 Posted by arjun2 on December 27, 2006 8:08:18 pm
#142 by masadi on December 27, 2006 7:56pm PT
all kinds of nonsense and distractions and posting pictures of women that look
You`d rather people post pictures of men?
all kinds of nonsense and distractions and posting pictures of women that look
You`d rather people post pictures of men?
#142 Posted by masadi on December 27, 2006 7:56:29 pm
Another perfect opportunity to discuss how to develop Pakistan politically and the damn fools have squandered that by all kinds of nonsense and distractions and posting pictures of women that look quite tasteless in their dress and mediocre in their looks, that is why chowk looks more like a trash can outside a pan stand than a place of intelligent discussion...
#141 Posted by masadi on December 27, 2006 7:14:26 pm
hamid writes <<< now i am going to try and see if i can meet professor masadi l.l.u who claims to look and talk like a white man .......... >>>
Lying again, I claimed no such thing. I look and talk very much ``foreign`` to the average American, their problem is that they cannot immediately locate me on their hierarchy of inferiority that they have constructed, in which Pakistanis and Indians are at a very low point, regardless of their professional qualifications or ``IT`` miracles.This gives me a unique opportunity at observation...that was merely what I stated. Neither do I want to look nor talk like the white man, I consider your insinuation an insult.
Lying again, I claimed no such thing. I look and talk very much ``foreign`` to the average American, their problem is that they cannot immediately locate me on their hierarchy of inferiority that they have constructed, in which Pakistanis and Indians are at a very low point, regardless of their professional qualifications or ``IT`` miracles.This gives me a unique opportunity at observation...that was merely what I stated. Neither do I want to look nor talk like the white man, I consider your insinuation an insult.
#139 Posted by Naqshbandi on December 27, 2006 6:09:35 pm
Here is the story from the Gulistan of Shaykh Sadi (translated from the Farsi by the famous Sir Richard Burton)
Story 2
It is related that an old man, having married a girl, was sitting with her privately in an apartment adorned with roses, fixing his eyes and heart upon her. He did not sleep during long nights but spent them in telling her jokes and witty stories, hoping to gain her affection and to conquer her shyness. One night, however, he informed her that luck had been friendly to her and the eye of fortune awake because she had become the companion of an old man who is ripe, educated, experienced in the world, of a quiet disposition, who had felt cold and warm, had tried good and bad, who knows the diities of companionship, is ready to fulfil the conditions of love, is benevolent, kind, good-natured and sweet-tongued.
As far as I am able I shall hold thy heart
And if injured I shall not injure in return.
Though sugar may be thy food as of a parrot
I shall sacrifice sweet life to thy support.
Thou hast not fallen into the hands of a giddy youth, fun of whims, headstrong, fickle minded, running about every moment in search of another pleasure and entertaining another opinion, sleeping every night in another place and taking every day another friend.
Young men are joyous and of handsome countenance
But inconstant in fidelity to anyone.
Expect not faithfulness from nightingales
Who sing every moment to another rose.
Contrary to aged men who spend their lives according to wisdom and propriety; not according to the impulses of folly and youth.
Find one better than thyself and consider it fortunate
Because with one like thyself thou wilt be disappointed.
The old man said: ‘I continued in this strain, thinking that I had captivated her heart and that it had become my prey.’ She drew, however, a deep sigh from her grief-filled heart and said: ‘All the words thou hast uttered, weighed in the scales of my understanding, are not equivalent to the maxim I once heard enounced in my tribe: An arrow in the side of a young woman is better than an old man.’
When she perceived in the hands of her husband
Something pendant like the nether lip of a fasting man,
She said: ‘This fellow has a corpse with him
But incantations are for sleepers not for corpses.’
A woman who arises without satisfaction from a man
Will raise many a quarrel and contention.
An old man who is unable to rise from his place,
Except by the aid of a stick, how can his own stick rise?
In short, there being no possibility of harmony, a separation at last took place. When the time of the lady’s uddat had terminated, she was given in marriage to a young man who was violent, ill-humoured and empty-handed. She suffered much from his bad temper and tyrannical behaviour, and experienced the miseries of penury. She nevertheless said: ‘Praise be to Allah for having been delivered from that wretched torment, and attained this permanent blessing.’
Despite of all this violence and hasty nature
I shall try to please thee because thou art beauteous.
To be with thee in hell burning is for me
Better than to be with the other in paradise.
The smell of an onion from the mouth of a pretty face
Is indeed better than a rose from an ugly hand.
A nice face and a gown of gold brocade,
Essence of roses, fragrant aloes, paint, perfume and lust:
All these are ornaments of women.
Take a man; and his testicles are a sufficient ornament.
To read the rest of this masterpiece of world literature: http://www2.enel.ucalgary.ca/People/far/hobbies/iran/Golestan/index.html
Story 2
It is related that an old man, having married a girl, was sitting with her privately in an apartment adorned with roses, fixing his eyes and heart upon her. He did not sleep during long nights but spent them in telling her jokes and witty stories, hoping to gain her affection and to conquer her shyness. One night, however, he informed her that luck had been friendly to her and the eye of fortune awake because she had become the companion of an old man who is ripe, educated, experienced in the world, of a quiet disposition, who had felt cold and warm, had tried good and bad, who knows the diities of companionship, is ready to fulfil the conditions of love, is benevolent, kind, good-natured and sweet-tongued.
As far as I am able I shall hold thy heart
And if injured I shall not injure in return.
Though sugar may be thy food as of a parrot
I shall sacrifice sweet life to thy support.
Thou hast not fallen into the hands of a giddy youth, fun of whims, headstrong, fickle minded, running about every moment in search of another pleasure and entertaining another opinion, sleeping every night in another place and taking every day another friend.
Young men are joyous and of handsome countenance
But inconstant in fidelity to anyone.
Expect not faithfulness from nightingales
Who sing every moment to another rose.
Contrary to aged men who spend their lives according to wisdom and propriety; not according to the impulses of folly and youth.
Find one better than thyself and consider it fortunate
Because with one like thyself thou wilt be disappointed.
The old man said: ‘I continued in this strain, thinking that I had captivated her heart and that it had become my prey.’ She drew, however, a deep sigh from her grief-filled heart and said: ‘All the words thou hast uttered, weighed in the scales of my understanding, are not equivalent to the maxim I once heard enounced in my tribe: An arrow in the side of a young woman is better than an old man.’
When she perceived in the hands of her husband
Something pendant like the nether lip of a fasting man,
She said: ‘This fellow has a corpse with him
But incantations are for sleepers not for corpses.’
A woman who arises without satisfaction from a man
Will raise many a quarrel and contention.
An old man who is unable to rise from his place,
Except by the aid of a stick, how can his own stick rise?
In short, there being no possibility of harmony, a separation at last took place. When the time of the lady’s uddat had terminated, she was given in marriage to a young man who was violent, ill-humoured and empty-handed. She suffered much from his bad temper and tyrannical behaviour, and experienced the miseries of penury. She nevertheless said: ‘Praise be to Allah for having been delivered from that wretched torment, and attained this permanent blessing.’
Despite of all this violence and hasty nature
I shall try to please thee because thou art beauteous.
To be with thee in hell burning is for me
Better than to be with the other in paradise.
The smell of an onion from the mouth of a pretty face
Is indeed better than a rose from an ugly hand.
A nice face and a gown of gold brocade,
Essence of roses, fragrant aloes, paint, perfume and lust:
All these are ornaments of women.
Take a man; and his testicles are a sufficient ornament.
To read the rest of this masterpiece of world literature: http://www2.enel.ucalgary.ca/People/far/hobbies/iran/Golestan/index.html
#138 Posted by tahmed32 on December 27, 2006 6:07:47 pm
#135 Who knows why marriages fall aprt. Maybe there was a physical problem as you say, but I doubt it. Perhaps Jemima found this guy was not so charming after all. Maybe he didnt pay enough attention to her. Who knows. Generally it is immaturity of some kind.
I feel sorry for the children of this divorced couple - they are the innocent victims of the immaturity of their parents.
I feel sorry for the children of this divorced couple - they are the innocent victims of the immaturity of their parents.
#137 Posted by Ranjit on December 27, 2006 6:07:28 pm
Re:Naqsh
You forgot Goldie Hawn and Zeenat Aman......
You forgot Goldie Hawn and Zeenat Aman......
#136 Posted by Naqshbandi on December 27, 2006 6:05:35 pm
tahmed--thanks :-)
never thought i`d ever live to see the day you complimented me but there you go!
ps you must have had a damn good looking monkey then!!
never thought i`d ever live to see the day you complimented me but there you go!
ps you must have had a damn good looking monkey then!!
#135 Posted by Naqshbandi on December 27, 2006 6:03:05 pm
something which has crossed my mind in its less elevated moments (!): why exactly did Jemima leave Immy? Is it possible that as a man in his mid fifties he no longer was able to satisfy his much much younger (over 20 years younger in fact) wife in the bedroom?
You might laugh but once the sex life in a marriage flags the marriage is usually down in the dumps--especially with educated, independent women like Jemimah. Shaykh Sa`di in his Gulistan has a beautiful story about the old man who married a young girl and was unable to satisfy her. I will try to look it up....
You might laugh but once the sex life in a marriage flags the marriage is usually down in the dumps--especially with educated, independent women like Jemimah. Shaykh Sa`di in his Gulistan has a beautiful story about the old man who married a young girl and was unable to satisfy her. I will try to look it up....
#134 Posted by tahmed32 on December 27, 2006 6:01:29 pm
#132 naqsh: That was a compliment. It is great to see people mature over the years on chowk, and you have definitely grown more broad-based in your thinking. As for this `laddish` behavior of some brits, now is the time to leave those immature people behind as well by taking on the more ``manish`` mindset of respecting women as equal human beings and not as objects of some kind.
in #133, you have a point. What we were arguing over was my monkey was better looking than Imran Khan or not. That poor soul (the monkey, not Imran Khan) passed away many years ago, around 1958 I think. :-(
Glad to see you drop by on chowk sometime.
in #133, you have a point. What we were arguing over was my monkey was better looking than Imran Khan or not. That poor soul (the monkey, not Imran Khan) passed away many years ago, around 1958 I think. :-(
Glad to see you drop by on chowk sometime.
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