Imran Khan the Politician

it is impossible to stay in politics when you are too much honest ............. simple specially in pakistan ......

Imran Khan’s interview with Simi Garewal

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ijlGHnR64Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ij5j8tLGzI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIRhCORE9eU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxEaFNDbNXo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgDAkHXe4tQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8HZvemBhQs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xm_BhzrmrQA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McgL_IZAc6s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UudseGwmMMQ

#210 by majumdar

majumdar, a Wali Allah is someone who can clearly see beyond ... much beyond what you and I can see with our normal biological senses. Allama Iqbal was one, Abidi was another, and the biggest of them all was Mansour Hussain Al Hallaj. But all were contreversial, mistreated, and called Kafirs in their lifetimes. That`s the way of Wali Allahs`.

Zeemax sahib,

(Agha Hasan Abidi was a Wali Allah.)

Who is a Wali Allah.

Regards

soysauce writes <<< #207 masadi, for someone whose time is apparently so precious that he doesn`t want to waste it on his intellectual inferiors (pretty much everyone else), you do hang out here a lot. >>>

I don`t spend much time here, except for these past two weeks, I have hardly made a post here for the past 2 to 3 months. In any case my posts are not meant for people like you who argue for the sake or argumentation even when adequately answered

Then he writes <<< You seem like a confused ``intellectual`` who doesn`t know what empirical evidence means. You`d rather guess what the CONTEMPORARY attitude of whites towards indians must be based on history...>>

I am no intellectual and seriously doubt the claims of those who say they are, rather I can think straight and use facts and research to arrive at non-traditional, non-official conclusions. What you see is not always the truth and is a subset of what is going on out there, for which you need data, and ignoring history on how a particular situation came to be is not very intelligent.

#207 masadi, for someone whose time is apparently so precious that he doesn`t want to waste it on his intellectual inferiors (pretty much everyone else), you do hang out here a lot.
You seem like a confused ``intellectual`` who doesn`t know what empirical evidence means. You`d rather guess what the CONTEMPORARY attitude of whites towards indians must be based on history rather than open your eyes and look around.Who`d you rather believe - your lying eyes or your conspiratorial instincts?
I think you do make some good points on occasion but spoil it all by abusing your interlocuters and being paranoid in general. That`s my answer to your patronizing attitude towards everyone else here.

Re: 206, those that play with crayons like okhla, whose total intellectual ability is restricted to slogan mongering and whose entire political morality rests in supporting dictators is in no position to point fingers at anyone

Re: # 203

One would not completely agree with you on that, soysauce.

Masadi is neither ``misunderstood`` nor an ``intellectual``. He is an ordinary citizen of lululand with delusions of intellectual grandeur.

Happy New Year all.

soysauce writes <<< #201 So what is the global repurcussion of the attitude of whites towards indians ? >>>

Don`t waste my time with your ignorance. Read your history books and then pick up a world data sheet and check the mess that area is in as far as social development indicators go.

#201 So what is the global repurcussion of the attitude of whites towards indians ?

#201 poor masadi, the misunderstood intellectual, I`m beginning to wonder if you don`t deserve all the crap you`re getting here with your airs of superiority.

okhla writes <<< Dimwits. Masadi, dimwits.

That is what they all are >>>

And you okhla are the mama and papa of them all, second only in bs to the object of your worship, Musharraf, aptly described by me as a son of a bitch in the other thread...

soysauce writes <<< was responding to your pointed comments about the attitude of the whites towards indians & pakistanis >>>

If my posts are too difficult for you to understand let me know rather than respond with bs. This ``attitude`` produces results which no pindi person can achieve against a peshawar person, globally and has produced effects historically- that was my point- do you still not get it?

#191 by hamidm2

Hamid. Yes what you said about BCCI is the accepted opinion. But it`s wrong.

It is very difficult to defend BCCI. If you were a BCCI employee, you would know.

It is said BCCI had a $20 billion hole in it`s balance sheet. But no one lost any money by depositing with BCCI.

If as you say it was a Ponzi scheme, how come I`m still receiving cheques from my provident fund from the Luxembourg liquidators? My wife keeps a watch for them ... after 15 years of closure, BCCI had enough assets to meet liquidation expenses ... (loot mar), and still pay off 100% to the Hong Kong depositors, and everywhere else, except UK where it was not 100 % because of loot mar. Still I got back 70% of my provident fund from Luxembourg.

Hamid, please ..... Agha Hasan Abidi was a Wali Allah. If you ask me, I will tell you what BCCI was all about, but perhaps you will not be interested.

Enjoy your morning coffee.

Re: # 196


Dimwits. Masadi, dimwits.

That is what they all are. Nothing but a bunch of dimwits. Naqsh, Tahmed, Hamidm ,Okhla & the rest. All dimwits. I tell you...

#181 by zeemax on December 29, 2006 8:25am PT


just like the Goras found and excuse for the brownie BCCI.


Aww..you poor victim you....

#184 masadi, now you`re going off on tangents - i was responding to your pointed comments about the attitude of the whites towards indians & pakistanis. Please be specific if you wish to address that and stop patronizing. Thank you.

hamid writes <<< ....it is simply because the elected officials did not force the black folks to sit on the porch all day long eating fried chicken, ribs and snacking on chitlins ..... >>>

A xerox reproduction of the white man`s stereotypes of blacks, fried chicked does not explain lower life expectancy and double the poverty rates, these are average numbers for the population as a whole and they show such disparity based upon race, heart disease the leading killer among whites and blacks but in white men, more die of heart disease per 100 than among blacks..therefore choice of fried chicken and ribs (basically your stereotype) has nothing to do with it. Heart disease is a rich man`s disease, the few toms, dicks and ahmeds you know do not reflect the profile of our people or the diseases they die from. We have discussed your moronic, personal experience bs before and every time you feign simplicity, and being a simpleton but your designs are quite evil: keep the vicitims busy by blaming them for their own misery when they control nothing, and those that design everything that totally surrounds your life, absolve them of all blame. You don`t fool me.

Re: # 194

tahmed,

just to show that i am not as clever as you might think i am, i too almost got caught in the bcci scam ....... luckily, my father was able to get his and my money out of that green glass building on the mall in pindi before it collapsed - i still remember what he had said about that bcci set-up on the mall:`` lush pash tey bari hai, per ullu day pathian noon aanda jaanda kakh nahin !`` ............. he was a sceptical man and should have gone with his gut, but like every one else he too got taken by the ``lush pash`` !

#193 Well, I am your very good friend too and I am telling you that bcci did plenty of banking as per this first hand report i just provided you. :-)

of course bcci engaged in corruption - as international agencies do when they deal with corrupt government officials and politicians. these included not just the usual group of suspects but fine genteel southern gentlemen who would fit your definition of the ``mr. perfection white man`` including carter`s budget director burt lance, adviser to presidents and kings clark clifford, husband to wonderwoman altman.

so, while this ``white man`` mayo may be good to spread on learned professors like masadi, dont end up spreading it on yourself as well. that is all i am saying.

as for the scale of corruption i think the s&l crisis (not to mention the haliburtons, the enrons) being not comparable to bcci - dont let me get started....

Re: # 192

tahmed,

the statement that bcci does ``everyghing else except banking``, was made in 1982-83 by a very good friend who worked for bcci for many many years ............ i also know some other people who worked for that ``bank`` in central america who were shady to say the least ......... a lot of fairly smart people, specially desis, were hoodwinked by that bank....... but then a lot of people were hoodwinked by the savings and loans scam here in the us and the cooperatives in pakistan ........ the difference is the scale and the criminal element .........

hamidm #191 you obviously dont know much about the bcci despite your confident statement about being a ponzi scheme. I was working for a major international agency when the british treasury got on bcci`s tail and bcci`s international services were shut down, we looked into the extent to which we would need to switch to other service providers. it turned out that bcci was a major service provider for money going to africa, e.g. because (as we were told), this was one of the few banks that made sure our funds were promptly delivered.

also, as i recall, the british treasury secretary back then made some remarks which seemed not particularly professional to me - to the effect that even though many small savers would lose out, they should not have put their money with bcci to begin with. it was well known that most of these ``small savers`` were the pakistani workers UK.

so, while I admire your trust in this mythical ``white man`` endowed with some supernatural powers of honesty, reality is a bit more complicated than you make it.

Re: # 185

zeemax,

all i know is that unlike bcci, which was basically a ponzi scheme that did everyghing else except banking, mittal steel is the largest and most efficient steel maker in the world and they can sell all the steel they can make .......... unlike agha hassan abidi - who ran the world`s biggest money laundering outfit whose client`s included colombian drug lords, afghan terrorists (then known as mujahideen), the cia, nuclear proliferators, bedouin chiefs and thieves, corrupt us politicians, and pakistani generals - lakshmi mittal is a `man of mettle` whose customers pay good money for a good product ...........

.......... instead of blaming the white man for all your failures, you and other miserable muslims, should stand up and take responsibility for your actions ................. like i said before, denial is not a river in egypt .........

http://www.time.com/time/europe/magazine/article/0,13005,901061225-1570725,00.html?cnn=yes

#189 a moron may be born every minute...but a masadi comes along only once every 15 minutes!!

Re: # 184

masadi.

``How come nobody loses an election when the average life expectancy of the blacks in their region is almost a third less than whites?``

....it is simply because the elected officials did not force the black folks to sit on the porch all day long eating fried chicken, ribs and snacking on chitlins ........... the officials also cannot be faulted for balck folks setting themselves on fire while deep-frying turkeys .......... half the desi guys in their fifties that i know have already had some sort of heart surgery - should they hold their congressmen responsible ? ................. a moron is born every minute !

zeemax #185 please dont call hamidm a techie. If the missus hears that, she will put him to work fixing the garage, fixing the computer, fixing that leaky faucet. Things he has bee putting off all this time. ;-)

majumdar: #178 Thanks. Let us hope one day we will have some such acknowledgement. In the meantime there of course is good reason to hope that the current movement towards sanity in south asia will continue, with chowk ironically being way behind the curve.

contd ... #185 by zeemax

Hamid .. What Islam said in the 7th century that no deal can be more than the underlying ... surprise ... it is all true ... those guys knew ... we don`t!

#183 by hamidm2

Hamidm, you have your strong opinions .. but that`s all. Do you know Sir that GM issued more credit default swaps than the underlying? Do you know anything about the novation backlog in CDS securities of about two trillion dollars? Do you know why Metallgisellschaft lost a billion and barelu syurvived?

It`s all a house of cards. But you wouldn`t know ... you`re a techie ...

soysauce writes <<< #148 masadi
Doesn`t an average person from pindi look down on an average person from peshawar? >>>

You need to understand what racism is before you compare the practices of the white man all over the globe with that of the `pindi person`. Then in order to understand the `macaca` comment, you need to differentiate between personal racism which is offensive but rather beingn if it does not have institutional support. In the US institutions supplement personal racism which is clearly reflected in aggregate disparity in life-chance statistics that emerge based upon race.

<<< Is the attitude of the average white person towards an average brown-skinned foreigner any worse? >>>

Yes it is, read your history books


<<< You have to realize that a very powerful senator lost his reelection mostly because he refered to a brown-skinned guy a macaca.. >>>

How come nobody loses an election when the average life expectancy of the blacks in their region is almost a third less than whites? Using a personal offensive comment, which was a freudian slip, many don`t say it but feel the same, and using that for ulterior motive merely reveals the hypocrisy of the US and those that govern it.

Re: # 181

zeemax,

.......... i hope you are not serious ! ........... but then, arn`t you the same guy who thinks that the cia brought down the twin towers and looks under his bed every night to check for zionists and cia agents ?

#181 ....globalisation

Coming back to the brownie Arcelor, the Goras will find some excuse to make an Enron out of it ... just like the Goras found and excuse for the brownie BCCI. Please be assured.

Gobalisation is not meant to work in both directions.

Re: # 178 majumdar

But, he`d tell you to ``take a hike`` if you wished that for the ``Biharis`` stranded in BD.

:-)~~

Re: # 159 tahmed

Oh just dandy, Alhumdolillah! Enjoying your silent comedy

:D~~


Ooops...I almost forgot....while you`re apologizing...naaaaaaahhhhh.........your apology is not going to do anything. You`re parents are the ones who need to apologize to all of us here.

Tahmed sahib,

Re: #166

I remember that post where you had first made that suggestion and also another thing that u said in the same. That you would want Pakistan to do that irrespective of whether India/Hindus did a similar gesture or not. One of the best posts I have ever come across in chowk.

Regards

#176 by zeemax on December 28, 2006 11:24am PT

k...we`re cool...

like someone said..sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me..

#171 by arjun2

Arjun, no doubt ... my hats off to Lakshmi Mittal .... can`t argue with facts. Don`t take me wrong ... but that`s how the Europeans thought what I wrote ...

#148 masadi
Doesn`t an average person from pindi look down on an average person from peshawar? Is the attitude of the average white person towards an average brown-skinned foreigner any worse?
You have to realize that a very powerful senator lost his reelection mostly because he refered to a brown-skinned guy a macaca.. In our ``civilized`` part of the world, porotestors would have burned down a few buildings and killed a few people as an ineffectual reaction. The ``white man`` spoke against prejudice nonviolently and very effectively.

#157 zeemax, ``sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me..``
What matters is what was accomplished not what was said..

Re: # 157
[...that`s real mean ....]

And they paid real price for being really mean, didn`t they?... Arcelor and George Allen.... :)

Never underestimate the power of the primate :)

#170, Mr. Tahmed,
You are a man of few words and even fewer principles.

#157 by zeemax on December 28, 2006 1:53am PT


Off-topic:

Hey Arjun,


peemax...mittal ended up winning that battle....compare that to the lack of a single paki equivalent of a Laxmi Mittal or the lack of a single paki equivalent of LNM...

A Man Of Mettle
Lakshmi Mittal endured personal attacks to forge a steel titan — and showed just how much the world has changed

He didn`t become one of the world`s richest men, and by far its biggest steel baron, by shying away from controversy. Even so, the Indian-born businessman Lakshmi Mittal says he was taken aback by the fury that greeted his announcement in late January that he was bidding to buy European steelmaker Arcelor, formed in 2002 out of what was left of the French, Luxembourgian, Belgian and Spanish steel industries. ``We really didn`t expect such a violent reaction,`` Mittal told Time. ``A lot of people were obviously not happy at all.``

#169 mr. white skinned chauhan - take a hike. :-)

#168, Tahmed,

I am deeply touched and rather impressed by your compassion for your fellow human beings. In your desperation to quote beautiful words of genuine sympathy, you could not remember anyone from your own swarthy neighborhood and had to go all the way to Gallipoli and quote the one white man, albeit a Muslim, who possessed such qualities.

Yes, I believe that Pakistan has wronged millions of people, including the native Hindus and Sikhs who were killed, expelled, forced to flee, or persecuted to make the Land of the Pure free of all contaminants.

Now that you are on a compassion streak, I suppose it would be too much for you to say a few words of sympathy for the Pakis stranded in Bangladesh (yes you call them ``Biharis`` to demean them) - or are they just a bit too swarthy even for Your Swarthiness?

hamidm: Perhaps the word should be ``recognition``, not ``apology``. This recognition would be of the fact that an injustice took place. Or even that unnecessary human misery and death took place. In Turkey, there is a monument at Gallipoli that repeats the following words from mustapha kamal: There is no difference between the Johnies and the Mehmets to us where they lie side by side here in this country of ours...You, the mothers, who sent their sons from far away countries wipe away your tears. Your sons are now lying in our bosom and are in peace. After having lost their lives on this land they have become our sons as well.

Or there could be something like the Indian Museum at Smoky Mountains, where the injustice done to the Indian tribes (including the original letter from the general who ordered them to vacate their ancestral lands) is recorded and on display for all visitors.

To my mind, every single sikh or hindu who once lived in what is now Pakistan should be similarly embraced as being a son or daughter of Pakistan as well. While that generation is rapidly fading away, it would carry more meaning than those hollow slogans of ``Unity, Faith, Discipline`` that greet you coming out of Islamabad airport.

Re: # 166

tahmed,

.......... you can start by apologizing to me for forcing my grandpa gopinath to shed his foreskin and convert to islam ........... on second thought, forget it ........ i think i am better off because of my other grandpa, ahmed shah abdali, who has made me heir to the throne in kabul .........

........... if everyone started apologizing to everyone else for historical injustices, we would need a million al sharptons and maulana masadis and there would be museums on every street corner in the world ............ as far as i am concerned, there are only two real human tragedies - karbala and the holocaust ........... that`s all we can handle

#161 majumdar: That is indeed a sad fact. One day I hope we Pakistanis will officially remember the great injustice that was done to the hindus and sikhs who lived in what is now Pakistan. I would like to see some expression of regret on that account, perhaps in the form of an apology coupled with a ``Partition Center`` or something in Lahore so the injustice done to those people who were killed or had to flee is never forgotten. Till then, I shall keep ranting about it on chowk once in a while....

#164 You just wait till masadi wins the Nobel Prize for Leading the Colored Races Across the Red Sea. You will then be sorry you did not ask for an audience with him when you had the chance because he was only 50 miles away.

Re: # 148

masadi mian,

......... i am sorry to hear that you were not able to get tenure at prairie view a&m - now, if you had studied real science or learned to code like the trained macacas on chowk, you would have had no problem finding gainful employment in this land of opportunity ........... but there is not much of a market in the real world for a colored social scientist whose field of study is restricted to the exploitation of colored people by white used car salesmen ......... that field of study is already crowded with the likes of cornel west and the reverend al sharpton ...........

......... anyway, i wish you success in your career at the islamic university of mogadishu where you can study the exploitation of dark-skinned somalians by lighter-skinned ethiopians .........

good Lord..this hurts:s...but its so painfully true

#158 by majumdar

I agree with Manto :-)

Tahmed sahib,

(This probably reflects the fact that the vast majority of Pakis (including those on chowk) have grown up without ever even seeing a hindu until they came abroad.)

Which I suppose is a function of the efficiency with which the Hindu/Sikh pop. (around 20-25% in 1947) of what is today Pak was cleansed.

Regards

ranjit: this may be hard for you to understand, and please dont be offended, but the fact is that hindus figure only slightly more prominently than hottentots in pakistan. This probably reflects the fact that the vast majority of Pakis (including those on chowk) have grown up without ever even seeing a hindu until they came abroad. This is contrast to the obsession with Islam and muslims that many Indian posters (not you, though) suffer from - many Indians on chowk claim that this is because of ``cross-border terrorism`` which they have come to combat on chowk, but give me a break on that ``reason``..... :-)

ntsyed: so many posts addressed to me, but none of them saying anything. And how is our descendant of the holy prophet today? :-)

Zeemax sahib,

You know of course what followed. The Indian macaca drank all the poor fellow`s perfume.
Of course if Manto mian is to be believed the Paki macaca Nawaz Sharif would have been bigger steel magnate than LNM and Tatas put together had he not entered politics.

Regards

Off-topic:

Hey Arjun,

At Arcelor itself, chief executive Guy Dollé slammed Mittal Steel as ``a company of Indians`` that was offering ``monkey money`` for his firm, which he described as ``perfume`` compared to the ``eau de cologne`` of his rival.

Now that`s real mean .....

Re: # 154 ranjit

ROTFL

Uncle T,

I think Animal Planet, or Monkey Planet to be precise, is a good place for you to find some friends.

:-)~~

Re: # 139 Naqshbandi

Please don`t forget to say `rahim Allah` when you mention ``Shaykh Sadi``. With such writings, he definitely needs that prayer.

BTW, thank you for your great work of exposing the current form of sufism. I`m sure with this excerpt you have Uncle T searching his undies for his ``T``s.

:-)~~

Re:ntsyed#153

[..Judging from the responses to your post, Uncle T and his Hindu counterparts were delivered in its undercurrents. ....]

So now tahmed is being lumped by the Pakis with us hindus? Hey bhagwan, what is the world coming to?

Tahmed chacha, please spout some anti-hindu rhetoric right away so that your countrymen will accept you back. :-)

Re: # 111 hamidm2

``........ i know it is politically incorrect to say these things but denial is not a river in egypt ..........``

LOL... but there is one river by that name in the sub-continent. Judging from the responses to your post, Uncle T and his Hindu counterparts were delivered in its undercurrents.

:-)~~

Re: # 116 tahmed32

``What struck me was that the people looked smarter than they did 18years back. I realized that during this time, Indonesia had grown rapidly and the population had eaten better.``

With all due respect to the Indonesians` improvement, I`ll bet my money on the probability of Uncle T`s regression.

:-)~~

Re: # 109 tahmed32

``hamidm: I can understand you getting down on your knees in order to see mr. salim eye to eye. but do you have to start talking his gibberish as well? i mean, what is this about ``white skin`` and salim trying to improve his bihari genes and what not??``

shame on you hamidm...you`ve confused Uncle T`s confusion.

LOL

:-)~~

Re: # 99 tahmed

Govt. College, Lahore, aye?

That`s a genuine handicap. Masadi...Saleem, you guys have got to cut Uncle T some slack here now.

Uncle T reminds me of Lahori poetry about matka with a tap [read girly boys] at wrestlers` gyms [akhara]...irshad hai:

``jab tankian bharnay lagi[n] to too[n]tian behnay lagi[n]``

LOL

:-)~~

#148 by masadi on December 27, 2006 8:54pm PT


Other than that my days in the US are numbered


damn....how will America survive without the taxes on the 36$ of profits on the sale of your your books via lulu.com..

hamid writes <<< ........ i will also demonstrate to you that this ``hierarchy of inferiority`` is all in your head - it is a result of the victim mentality that people like you use to cover their own very obvious shortcomings .............. >>>

I don`t need dimwits to demonstrate social facts to me. Unlike your personal experience that is quite taken by the fakery put up by ``my best friend is black``, go a little deeper and you`ll hear about the ``racism against whites`` and ``war on christmas`` bs. The perfect specimen of white trash with half his teeth missing and living in the backside of his beat up camaro still feels superior to someone with dark skin. This is ingrained in the psyche of this nation, hidden for pecuniary motives at best, based on how it came to be and how the genocidal maniacs (they lovingly remember as ``fathers``) are still justified and revered. This `superiority-complex` and ill begotten illusions of being the best are displayed by the white man, of whatever nationality all over the world when he deals with it, even on the governmental level and is ingrained in his nation`s institutions, whatever that nation might be, and unfortunately has been internalized by dimwits like you and the peons of the West that govern our countries.

Of course all victimization can be justified by saying that the victims possess a `victim mentality` and their vicitmization is the result of personal defects and don`t have institutional precident, when social research all over the world, inter and intra country, reveals a very different picture.

Other than that my days in the US are numbered and I cannot make the trip to detroit to visit you. You squandered the opportunity when I lived but 50 miles away, though I am sure I didn`t miss much given by your nonsensical posts.

Re: # 146

masadi,

...... i would like to extend to you the same invitation that i have extended to maulana urstruly in the past - let`s get together and see if we can`t cure you of your hemmorhoids and solve the issue of malevolent islam which threatens the civilized world ............. i will buy all the shirley temples you can drink but i must warn that world hunger, peace and global warming have to take a back seat if a leggy blonde walks into the bar ......

........ i will also demonstrate to you that this ``hierarchy of inferiority`` is all in your head - it is a result of the victim mentality that people like you use to cover their own very obvious shortcomings ..............

arjun writes <<< You`d rather people post pictures of men? >>>

Only a total retard would arrive at that conlcusion after reading that simple sentence, which you have deliberately mutilated. I don`t care whose pictures you and your ``kind and gentle`` friends post, do it on the special ``crayon scratching`` section that I recommended chowk create for you all. Let the others who care about fixing the pathetic state we are in, think about the issues on these other forums...

Re: # 139

naqshbandi,

.......... that was beautiful !.......... if i ever fall off the wagon and decide to regress back to islam, i will look you up .........

Re: # 142

masadi,

....... even though i disagree with his belief in god and the tooth fairy, thank god for people like naqshbandi, for he represents the kinder and gentler face of islam - the islam of my mother who never prayed more than once a day but distributed halwa, kheer and zarda a couple of times a year and regularly sacrificed a black bakra at the mazar of pir sahib in kohat .........

........ you and your murshid, osama bin laden, represent the joyless and dark face of islam ..... god save us

#142 by masadi on December 27, 2006 7:56pm PT


all kinds of nonsense and distractions and posting pictures of women that look


You`d rather people post pictures of men?

Another perfect opportunity to discuss how to develop Pakistan politically and the damn fools have squandered that by all kinds of nonsense and distractions and posting pictures of women that look quite tasteless in their dress and mediocre in their looks, that is why chowk looks more like a trash can outside a pan stand than a place of intelligent discussion...

hamid writes <<< now i am going to try and see if i can meet professor masadi l.l.u who claims to look and talk like a white man .......... >>>

Lying again, I claimed no such thing. I look and talk very much ``foreign`` to the average American, their problem is that they cannot immediately locate me on their hierarchy of inferiority that they have constructed, in which Pakistanis and Indians are at a very low point, regardless of their professional qualifications or ``IT`` miracles.This gives me a unique opportunity at observation...that was merely what I stated. Neither do I want to look nor talk like the white man, I consider your insinuation an insult.

Re: # 137

sorry!

Here is the story from the Gulistan of Shaykh Sadi (translated from the Farsi by the famous Sir Richard Burton)

Story 2

It is related that an old man, having married a girl, was sitting with her privately in an apartment adorned with roses, fixing his eyes and heart upon her. He did not sleep during long nights but spent them in telling her jokes and witty stories, hoping to gain her affection and to conquer her shyness. One night, however, he informed her that luck had been friendly to her and the eye of fortune awake because she had become the companion of an old man who is ripe, educated, experienced in the world, of a quiet disposition, who had felt cold and warm, had tried good and bad, who knows the diities of companionship, is ready to fulfil the conditions of love, is benevolent, kind, good-natured and sweet-tongued.

As far as I am able I shall hold thy heart

And if injured I shall not injure in return.

Though sugar may be thy food as of a parrot

I shall sacrifice sweet life to thy support.

Thou hast not fallen into the hands of a giddy youth, fun of whims, headstrong, fickle minded, running about every moment in search of another pleasure and entertaining another opinion, sleeping every night in another place and taking every day another friend.

Young men are joyous and of handsome countenance

But inconstant in fidelity to anyone.

Expect not faithfulness from nightingales

Who sing every moment to another rose.

Contrary to aged men who spend their lives according to wisdom and propriety; not according to the impulses of folly and youth.

Find one better than thyself and consider it fortunate

Because with one like thyself thou wilt be disappointed.

The old man said: ‘I continued in this strain, thinking that I had captivated her heart and that it had become my prey.’ She drew, however, a deep sigh from her grief-filled heart and said: ‘All the words thou hast uttered, weighed in the scales of my understanding, are not equivalent to the maxim I once heard enounced in my tribe: An arrow in the side of a young woman is better than an old man.’

When she perceived in the hands of her husband

Something pendant like the nether lip of a fasting man,

She said: ‘This fellow has a corpse with him

But incantations are for sleepers not for corpses.’

A woman who arises without satisfaction from a man

Will raise many a quarrel and contention.

An old man who is unable to rise from his place,

Except by the aid of a stick, how can his own stick rise?

In short, there being no possibility of harmony, a separation at last took place. When the time of the lady’s uddat had terminated, she was given in marriage to a young man who was violent, ill-humoured and empty-handed. She suffered much from his bad temper and tyrannical behaviour, and experienced the miseries of penury. She nevertheless said: ‘Praise be to Allah for having been delivered from that wretched torment, and attained this permanent blessing.’

Despite of all this violence and hasty nature

I shall try to please thee because thou art beauteous.

To be with thee in hell burning is for me

Better than to be with the other in paradise.

The smell of an onion from the mouth of a pretty face

Is indeed better than a rose from an ugly hand.

A nice face and a gown of gold brocade,

Essence of roses, fragrant aloes, paint, perfume and lust:

All these are ornaments of women.

Take a man; and his testicles are a sufficient ornament.


To read the rest of this masterpiece of world literature: http://www2.enel.ucalgary.ca/People/far/hobbies/iran/Golestan/index.html

#135 Who knows why marriages fall aprt. Maybe there was a physical problem as you say, but I doubt it. Perhaps Jemima found this guy was not so charming after all. Maybe he didnt pay enough attention to her. Who knows. Generally it is immaturity of some kind.

I feel sorry for the children of this divorced couple - they are the innocent victims of the immaturity of their parents.

Re:Naqsh

You forgot Goldie Hawn and Zeenat Aman......

tahmed--thanks :-)

never thought i`d ever live to see the day you complimented me but there you go!
ps you must have had a damn good looking monkey then!!

something which has crossed my mind in its less elevated moments (!): why exactly did Jemima leave Immy? Is it possible that as a man in his mid fifties he no longer was able to satisfy his much much younger (over 20 years younger in fact) wife in the bedroom?

You might laugh but once the sex life in a marriage flags the marriage is usually down in the dumps--especially with educated, independent women like Jemimah. Shaykh Sa`di in his Gulistan has a beautiful story about the old man who married a young girl and was unable to satisfy her. I will try to look it up....

#132 naqsh: That was a compliment. It is great to see people mature over the years on chowk, and you have definitely grown more broad-based in your thinking. As for this `laddish` behavior of some brits, now is the time to leave those immature people behind as well by taking on the more ``manish`` mindset of respecting women as equal human beings and not as objects of some kind.

in #133, you have a point. What we were arguing over was my monkey was better looking than Imran Khan or not. That poor soul (the monkey, not Imran Khan) passed away many years ago, around 1958 I think. :-(

Glad to see you drop by on chowk sometime.

Re: # 131

a picture is worth a thousand words!
besides, you and hamidm arguing over your missuses got boring!

tahmed: i`m not sure whether or not that is a compliment coming from you! ;-)

as for my conquest comment it was not meant literally but in the `laddish` sense. it is a stock English phrase when referring to a man`s many lovers.

Yes women are not mountain peaks: wajood e zann se hai tasveer e kainaat mein rang.

#129 is for hamidm #126 (thanks naqshbandi for spoiling the discussion page with these damned pictures).

naqsh: you have come a long way on chowk since the bad old days of venerating long dead arab macacas. hats off to you. in that spirit......

women are not mountain peaks to be conquered by men.

mrs. hamidm never had the chance to compare imran khan with our pet monkey. otherwise she would no doubt have agreed.

as for these hollywood macacas - open the hood and what do you see? the same stuff as my pet monkey, only my monkey`s insides were in better shape.

Re: # 124

agreed. he has a lot of charisma.

some of imran`s conquests...

susannah constantine



jemima goldsmith



also add marie helvin, sita white, some princesses from nepal, emma sergeant,
former german mtv presenter kristiane backer (who has since converted to islam)
--who famously set fire to his flat when she realised he was two-timing her with jemimah whom he then married)

kristiane backer

--the old boy certainly sowed his seed in many places!
(but that made indian cricketers so jealous--for proof just read kapil dev`s autobiography where he keeps on complaining about imran`s womanising and even blames his bedroom antics for his bad back!!)

Re: # 125

tahmed,

......... are you saying that mrs hamidm has bad taste ?........ now, those are fighting words !

...... the other people mrs hamid thinks are to die for are : richard gere, tom cruise, brad pitt, steve yzerman, james brolin, hugh grant, paul newman, pierce bronson and robert redford .......... see if mrs tahmed agrees

#124 Many years ago we used to have a monkey Pakistan who looked better than Imran Khan.

......... in case the owner of this board is getting upset with the discussion on good looks, i would like to point out that it is quite relevant to the subject of this board .......... imran khan`s biggest asset is good looks .............

Re: # 122

I thought you are from multan... :)

Kerali girls are pretty - a little heavy on the bottom, but nevertheless... :)

Re: # 120

mohar,

...... and if it makes you feel any better, the second most concentration of ugly people is in pakistan .......... southern punjab - places like dera ghazi khan, multan and uch sharif would give tamil nadu and kerala a run for their money .............

Re: # 118

mohar,

seriously, you should read the babarnama - it is a fascinating book ........ and it has very little to do with the misery of hindustan even though i choose to pick on the few paragraphs just to light a fire under your tail :)

Re: # 117

Dude - every second beauty in hollywood these days is a vegetarian, if not an outright vegan... so what the heck are you talking about... Like I said - read some new books and update yourself... ditch the babarnama... :)

#117 I admit to having missed that part. Lets move on then...

What about Uncle Tom? Do you think if Masadi stood on a stool, and Salim stood on Masadi`s shoulders, they would reach upto Uncle Tom`s knees (mr. salim`s white complexion and Uncle Tom`s jet black complexion notwithstanding)?

pakis` fascination with books allegedly written by long dead bedouins/turks/whatever is just amazing... koran, babarnama blah, blah... I mean - who cares what babar, the jacka$$, said about anybody?... or Old Mo of mecca said about anything?... get over it already... read some new books and update yourself... :)

Re: # 116

tahmed,

.... in case you didn`t notice, i have already acknowledged the impact of diet and nutrition on ugliness ..............

hamidm: as the russians used to say, the German superman is handsome like goebbels (who looked like an underfed toad), trim like goering (who looked like an obese toad), and blond like Hitler. :-)

So, forget what babar wrote in his babarnama - this was just another neanderthal who knowledge of human evolution and the genome was at about the same level as the Hitler (or should I say Sargeant Shicklgruber - to use his papa`s last name that he was too ashamed to use). Think for yourself.

Here is something to get you started thinking:

Around 1998, I visited Indonesia for the first time after 18 years. What struck me was that the people looked smarter than they did 18years back. I realized that during this time, Indonesia had grown rapidly and the population had eaten better. So please leave this superficial stuff for lesser individuals than yourself of whom we have plenty on chowk.

Re: # 111

dude - looks like you keep babarnama rolled up in some body cavity of yours... everytime somebody says something, you pull out the babarnama - just like urstruly pulls the koran... :)

Re: # 110

Salim bhai:

This is the latest quote from Shri Lallo ji

``...It is sad we sell shoes in air-conditioned showrooms and food grains on the footpath...``

Please do not loose your way in color and complexion....

Re: # 112

ranjit mian.

........ exceptions do not make the rule - out of a billion plus people you are bound to get a few thousand freaks of nature ......... but do not fear - a lot of that ugliness was perpetuated by marrying within your family, caste or tribe, and rampant vegetarianism ........... now that people are eating cows instead of worshiping them, and brahmins are marrying dalits and syeds are marrying sheiks, things are looking a lot better ..........

Re:hamidm#111

[..the subcontinent has the highest concentration of ugly people in the world ..]

Hamidm unkil, how do you explain that Miss World, Miss Universe and god knows how many beauty competitions are regularly won by Indian women? I know of several pakis who would gladly give up Islam to spend a night with Aishwariya Rai......

Re: # 109

tahmed,

........ i am sure you cannot disagree with the fact that it is every man`s duty to improve his gene pool - and salim mian has performed admirably in this respect ........ if you have read the babar nama, you will remember that babar was quite despondent over the ugliness of the hindustani people and even after many centuries of valiant effort by his turkic descendents, the subcontinent has the highest concentration of ugly people in the world ......... of course there has been a marked improvement, as is evident from all those khans of bollywood and our own imran khan, but we still have a long way to go .........

........ i know it is politically incorrect to say these things but denial is not a river in egypt ..........

{``I have no problem with my ``swarthy complexion``. ``}

Probably not, Uncle T, but the white bums your lips are tightly coupled with do have a problem with your swarthiness.

hamidm: I can understand you getting down on your knees in order to see mr. salim eye to eye. but do you have to start talking his gibberish as well? i mean, what is this about ``white skin`` and salim trying to improve his bihari genes and what not??

Khali Matkay Salim: I have no problem with my ``swarthy complexion``. But I wouldnt expect a khaali matka like you to get it.

#106, {``salim mian,
..... from what i understand, you too are a big fan of kemal attaturk - a brave white man who tried to save his people from the dark forces of the hijaz - and are actually married to a white turkish woman ........... god bless you for your valiant efforts to improve the bihari gene pool ........``}

Hamidum Sahib,
Thank you for taking the time out to discuss history, anthropology, religion, railroads, cleavage, and genetics - all within the context of La ChamRa Blanca. I think you actually have something there - you are proving my point (and hopefully that of Mama Masadi simultaneously). Yes, Ataturk Mustafa Kemal Pasha was by all accounts a white man with piercing blue eyes, born in Europe and very partial to raki and even more nobler forms of liquid sustenance. That is exactly the point. Precisely because he was white, unlike our own Uncle T and other swarthy bootlickers of all things European, he was not intimated nor eclipsed by Europeans, merely because of the lightness of their hides. In fact, his guns at Gallipoli, turned more white skin into charcoal black than all the Fair N Lovely applied by Uncle T to his dark complexion in the reverse direction.

My wife, who also happens to be both European and white, is a devout Muslim, albeit of the heretical Sunni persuasion. The Bihari gene pool has been valiantly preserved and enhanced ever since Lalloo Prasad practiced total abstinence while on a visit to Paki Punjab. I must admit that our neighbors to the east have really lightened up - judging from the beauties visible on Jee TV and its offshoots. The export of choona to India for all this clearing up has really improved the Paki economy. Now if we could only export the portable johns to the Indian Railways. Perhaps Lalloo Prasad can give Pakistan a huge contract to provide our light-bummed neighbors with daily relief without the choo choo sound effects. :)

Re: # 105

salim mian,

..... from what i undestand, you too are a big fan of kemal attaturk - a brave white man who tried to save his people from the dark forces of the hijaz - and are actually married to a white turkish woman ........... god bless you for your valiant efforts to improve the bihari gene pool ........

..........in my book, most urban turks (those who have a drink of raki before isha and recognize the state of israel), japanese, chinese, and koreans are `white` - this was also the standard accepted by discerning afrikaaners and mahatama gandhi .......... nowdays i have noticed that a lot of indians also claim to be white by saying things like, ``india is a secular democracy like america`` and ``bangalore bars are just like the ones in ny city`` and ``bollywood bimbos show more cleveage than the hollywood hos`` ......... i must admit that they are making some progress towards the blissful nirvana of whitehood, but they still have a long way to go - clearing the railroad tracks of dawn squatters is an essential first step that they have failed to accomplish yet ............. but on the other hand, pakis and other assorted muslims are anxious to distance themselves from the joys of being white; instead, they insist on regressing to a state of bedouin barbarianism as epitomized during the reign of the abominable four ............

# 104, {``as you know i am a big fan of white men and women - particularly the leggy blonde types........``}

Hamidum Sahib,
I will vouch for your spirited and earnest efforts in trying to lure Urstruly to your wine cellar. Somehow, I never realized that like Uncle T, the notorious main character from ``Uncle T`s Juggi,`` you too are rubbed positively by the white epidermis. Thus Maulana Masadi will certainly glow in the dim light of your wine cellar. I have heard you brag about your collection of Chateau Soixante Neuf de Merde. :)

Re: # 102

salim mian,

..... i hate to inform you that inspite of my best efforts i have been unable to get a date with urstruly .......... now i am going to try and see if i can meet professor masadi l.l.u who claims to look and talk like a white man .......... as you know i am a big fan of white men and women - particularly the leggy blonde types........

#97 {``Profound thoughts from Hole-in-the-Donut-Lawyer Salim ``}

Tahmed,
Please remind me if I already told you to take a flying leap through a rolling doughnut.

Hamidum #98 {``. a man is often judged by the company he keeps .......... ``}

Hamidum Sahib,
First Urstruly and now Tahmed. It`s time you stop skirting with danger while flirting with the nonsensical. Whether Tahmed casts a shadow or not, just look in the mirror to ensure that there is a reflection. :)

#100 No one laughs at my alma mater!! Government College Zindabad!! Ravians Rule!! :-)

Gordon College Rawalpindi and Govt College Lahore !!!! Ha !!! Ha !!!

These do not compare at all with Masadi`s ``Institute`` where he is a real ``professor`` carrying out real ``research`` with his real ``students`` and is about to get the real ``Nobel Prize``.


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