Let us do away with Kashmir

The ground reality:
In late 80s, Pakistan started using the following tools to create problems for India -

1. Cross-border terrorism with the help of uneducated & unemployed youth of Pakistan & Afghanistan.
2. Roping in Kashmiri youth later on by offering money and by brainwashing them in the name of religion.
3. Regular shelling in the border areas.
4. Intensifying anti-India campaigns over radio and TV.
5. Raising Kashmir issue before the international community by falsely implicating India.
6. Killing Kashmiri Pandits thus forcing them to migrate out of Kashmir so that Kashmir can be branded as an Islamic state.

I want to ask just one question: Where was the Kashmir problem before 1989?

Nowhere - because it had not been created by that time. Kashmir had a flourishing tourism business and was even more peaceful than any other Indian state. Terrorism and proxy war are the weapons being used by Pakistan in revenge for their 1971 debacle.

So there is just one solution to this problem. True Indians know that.

#42 by okhla99

.... and India needs the child EATING and murdering cannibals of Nithari & Noida.

Yaar Okhla, did you ever hear of Javed Iqbal? If no, please look up Google. If you`re not able to, I`ll be glad to be of some help.

#71
My only argument is that the wish of the `people of the land` should be fulfilled. They are the original inhabitants of (or at least the form a majority in) Kashmir valley and their opinion about their destiny should be respected. The majority of Kashmiri`s never felt being part of India and as far as my rudimentary knowledge on this subject goes Kashmir had a special status in Indian Union.

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u r right ! the wish of the people should be considered. I am talking of the people of whole india & not just kashmir valley. The people of whole india wish to see kashmir remain with india (for all years to come) with some compromise , say some more degree of autonomy , is perfectly acceptable to us. Outright secession is totally unacceptable.

The majority of kashmiris never felt being a part of india ? . We have just started taking some more effective steps like connecting kashmir to the rest of india within the next 2/3 years thru railways ( the cheapest mode of transport ) . People to People interaction thru trade,tourism will start working its way to bring about some kind of working relationship. We are willing to wait for the next 25 years.

Whats the hurry ? The younger generations of kashmiris are willing to try out a different path (reconciliation with indians for economic reasons) . The older generations of kashmiris will die out in the next 25 years.

aww...another paki delusion, the one about bleeding India, laid to rest..

India Finance Minister Sees Growth

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: January 9, 2007
Filed at 10:50 a.m. ET

NEW DELHI (AP) -- India`s economy will likely grow almost 9 percent this fiscal year, but rising inflation is a cause for concern, the country`s finance minister said Tuesday.

Finance Minister P. Chidambaram said he was also worried that some industries were persistently underperforming despite the buoyancy of the broader economy.

India`s economy expanded 9.1 percent in the first half of the current fiscal year that ends in March 2007, and Chidambaram said he expected full-year growth to be almost 9 percent.

That would bring India`s economic expansion -- averaging at more than 8 percent over the past three years -- close to rate in China. The record for growth in the Indian economy was 10.5 percent in the fiscal year ended in March 1989. The Indian economy grew 8.4 percent last fiscal year.

Mazhar you are giving too much importance to Kashmir. Kashmir or not, the fact that two nations will be at odds with each other is granted. They were founded on different ideologies after all. I really don`t want to discuss this here; and frankly, I am not erudite enough to comment on that topic.
My only argument is that the wish of the `people of the land` should be fulfilled. They are the original inhabitants of (or at least the form a majority in) Kashmir valley and their opinion about their destiny should be respected. The majority of Kashmiri`s never felt being part of India and as far as my rudimentary knowledge on this subject goes Kashmir had a special status in Indian Union.
Whatever the geo-political and historic realities, the fact remains that after independence India annexed the `Hindu` majority` kingdoms, where a Muslim was a ruler. The same gesture should have been accorded to Kashmir where majority was Muslim. And they don`t wish to remain in Indian union.
Nations cannot run on military might alone. Even super powers like America has been humbled a couple of times against smaller but determined opponents. The sooner we learn this the better off we will be in the future.

I wonder why India does not name Kashmir as Pakistan and impose military rule therein (an essential logo of the name) as demanded by the Kashmiries. Then the govt. media in the Pakland would have to call it `Indian Occupied Kashmir` or `Maqboozah Pakistan`.

What a pity that thousands of lives have been lost and the lives of billions of people of the sub-continent made miserable for naming Kashmir as Pakistan.

KASHMIR WAS IN FACT A JAAGEER SOLD BY THE BRITISH TO SOME SINGH ALONGWITH KASHMIRIES IN 75 LAKH RUPEES, WHEREAS THE MUSLIMS OF INDIA HAD TO STRUGGLE HARD TO WIN RIGHT OF SELF DETERMINATION TO ESTABLISH PAKISTAN WHICH HAS NOW BEEN TURNED INTO A VIRTUAL JAAGEER, LIKE THE PRE-INDEPENDENCE KASHMIR.

Paradoxically, the people of the regions (Muslims of Muslim-minority provinces of Inda and the East Bengal) who had voted for Pakistan enmasse are out of it.

Kia khoob kisi shaair ne kaha he:

``Manzil unheen milli jo shareek-e-safar nah the``

The very first comment about this article gives us a way forward if Syed Ali Gillani ``reduces himself to the size that he really belongs`` then, `` Kashmir ‘problem’ will move towards imminent solution``.
Let me inform you that Gillani factor is not just the matter of a shirwani ( as the commentator indicates). In fact, the actual knot is somewhere very close to this Indian assumption or assertion that Kashmiri Leadership is not worth talking. Let us assume that there is no leadership in Kashmir , then what about the hard realities.
I quote here Khalid Hasan, Daily Times washington based correspondent, ``The reality of Kashmir today is the graveyards of the martyrs where almost all graves are of those young men cut down in the first spring of their youth. (Friday Times, 06-12 May 2005)``

and one thing more.........
Indian intellectual Rafiq Dossani’s book Prospects for Peace in South Asia has been published from America. Dossani is associated with America’s famous Stanford University, Robert Hathaway, director of America’s another important think tank Woodrow Wilson Center, and Michael Kreppon of another policy research institute, the Stimson Center, have also contributed to the analysis of the book.
To them, the Kashmir issue has given rise to the trends of:
• Enhanced role of religion in the region (this they call religious extremism),
• Indian and Pakistani program to become nuclear powers, determination and tragedy,
• Politicization of Pakistan army, and
• Centrality of national identity.

thanks for commenting. Mazhar

Ref zeemax #38

[Once the Kashmir problem is solved, what about the Militants. Where they will go?

Suresh, I have no doubt that they will find another cause, and not in Pak or India or against any minorities anywhere. They will probably go to Chechnya or Palestine or Somalia. So do rest your mind.

You have to understand the Jihadi mind. They are not against any religion or its followers. They will go wherever they see Muslims in dire trouble. And this is not in Pakistan or India.]

Can you guarantee me that the momofukus will go to Xinjiang and help the Uighur freedom fighters?

I don`t think so.

Poor pakistanis are worried about some people killed by terrorists in Assam. Here is a routine week in the largest city of pakistan, Karachi. Every week more than 50 are killed. Look at the details of the statistics. Nine are shot dead, this could be caught in the cross fires, or may be for a few rupees. Six murdered, that is hoodood stuff. The most interesting is the 13 bodies recovered, that is the un-accounted, the jihadic killings.

This is what pakistan is about and this is what pakistan wants in kashmir. Kasmir banega pakistan. Pathetic and there are educated pakistanis wanting Kashmir, to offer this great life, this great legal system of blasphemy.

Then of course there are those who wants to discuss with pakistan. Fence pakistan, iraquise pakistan, that is the only solution. There is kashmir problem, there is a pakistan problem for the world.

Muggers on the loose
By Kamran Mansoor

KARACHI: Some 35 persons lost their lives last week, of whom nine were shot dead, six murdered, and one person drowned. Besides, 13 bodies were recovered and six died in accidents.

At least 772 robberies were staged in which 615 mobile phones were snatched or stolen, and around 23 cars and 34 motorcycles were taken away. People were deprived of valuables in 100 incidents. As many as 206 cases of thefts were reported last week, in which 49 cars and 83 motorcycles were taken away from different parts of the metropo

What nonsense! Indo-Pak have made a hell of Kashmere, called a heaven on earth. Why don`t they resolve this problem like they did in Bangla Desh - to fight to the end once for all - instead of bleeding each other for decades.

Re:hamidm#55

[.......... i think pakistan should forget about kashmir for a while and see what we can do to help these poor assamilians .............. i looked at the map and it seems that we don`t share a border with assam, so maybe we can get bangladesh to help ...........]

Hamidm, its the assamese who are doing the killing, targeting poor bihari migrant workers in a frenzy of ethnic hatred. Sadly we Indians still have idiots living in our country who would kill just on the basis of ethnicity.

#60 Subhashjoshi {``But why are you giving up on Kashmir? That`s the problem with you Pakistanis, you surrender too easily. ``}

Subhash Bhai,
Give up on Kashmir? NEVER!
Although, some of us have given up on Pakistan a long time ago. :)

#62 by subhashjoshi on January 7, 2007 9:12am PT


It`s the mecca solution...face mecca and start walking...

Re: # 61 Cobra

Hahaha...okay.

But why do you talk of this plebiscite in Kashmir valley?

No plebiscite. No nothing. Whosoever`s ass is uneasy in India, let them turn WEST and start walking (sorry, Arjun, for borrowing your punchline).

Re: # 57
Yes. You couldn`t be wronger. I`m not only Indian. I come from strong orthodox cultural background which is a stronghold of RSS/BJP and we sing odes to my clans man, who has been accused of killing Gandhi. :D

Re: # 55 Hamidm

But why are you giving up on Kashmir? That`s the problem with you Pakistanis, you surrender too easily.

Is that a national trait?