Let us do away with Kashmir

This is what I wrote on another forum on this subject.

``I feel that kashmiris should be given right to choose their own destiny. Indian government should divide the state into three parts one the muslim dominated kashmir vally, hindu dominated Jammu and Buddhist Laddakh. Then they should hold plebiscite in kashmir valley and if the majority feels that they do not want to remain in Indian confederation then their wishes should be respected.
If and when that happens government should ensure safe passage for the exchange of population. This time there shouldn`t be any rape of innocent victims and pillage of their properties. They should also take all the hindu shrines like Vaishno Devi and Amarnath from kashmir valley to prevent the deities from getting defiled .``

#40 Jay

.... and India needs the child EATING and murdering cannibals of Nithari & Noida.

#40 by jay

Brilliant! I just found I had never understood Kashmir ....Thanks!

(Thumbs up ikaan)

Understanding Kashmir

Jihadis are the essential elements of the ideology of pakistan, the TNT. It took nearly 25 years since its creation for a generation of pakistanis to grow up imbibed with the pak ideology, the k for kafir education system where identifying kafirs is a curriculum requirement.

The soviet invasion of afghanistan simply galvanized this distributed jihadi elements into a single minded force. The jihadis are an integral part of the pak foreign policy and pak society. The kargill invasion is the latest manifestation of a combined jihadi- pak govt action.

The essential elements of a jihadi society founded by Zia, the much maligned person of pakistan could not be removed by several of the military and civilian govts that followed Zia. The hoodood and the blasphemy laws could not be touched by the all poverful busheraff because of the widespread support for it.

Support for kashmir and the sending of the infiltrators to kashmir is the only way to consume the jihadic elements created with in the pak society.

Many jihadis are engaged in crime, a large part of th hijacked and stolen vehicles from karachi fund the jihadis.

The most fundamental aspect of the pak society that support jihadis is the legal system of pakistan.
Take it from me, in pakistan murder is not a crime against the society. Some one has to make a complaint that some is murdered and in many instances police refuse to file an FIR. Look at the crime statistics from karachi, they talk of dozens of bodies found, no case of murder. It is this aspect of the p[aak legal system that supports jihadic murders.

Take it from me, only and only blasphemy is a crime against the society in pakistan.

It is this reality that supports the jihadis and the murderers of pakstan.

By teh way, did you know what was the major event in Islamabad last week. It was the sacrificial killing of a Camal, women and children watched it from the specially built galleries. It is this de-sensitisation of killings that drives kashmir, it is the urge created in the impressionable minds that sends out jihadis to find their jihadic heaven in the lands far and wide.

Pakistan needs the killing fields of kashmir, that is the driving force of its existence.

...#38 by zeemax....

The law & order situation in Pak is not because of the Jihadis, it is because breakdown of the social contract with people. Of-course the Afghan war left behind a lot of cheap weapons, but it is the criminal elements who use them within Pakistan. No Jihadi militant has ever been accused of any such thing. Examples are the attempts on Musharraf who were junior military men, Shaukat Aziz who were local sectarians, while the rest that you cite re car-snatching etc are petty criminals with no connection to militants. Re the french blast, it was Laskar-e-Jhangvi, a purely local sectarian group, which has since been eliminated.

Rgds

#37 by suresh1773

Once the Kashmir problem is solved, what about the Militants. Where they will go?

Suresh, I have no doubt that they will find another cause, and not in Pak or India or against any minorities anywhere. They will probably go to Chechnya or Palestine or Somalia. So do rest your mind.

You have to understand the Jihadi mind. They are not against any religion or its followers. They will go wherever they see Muslims in dire trouble. And this is not in Pakistan or India.

Dear Mazhar and Zeemax

Once the Kashmir problem is solved, what about the Militants. Where they will go, Whom they will attack. What are their goals objectives and Mission. May be they will attack the Minorities of Pakistan or Will they go the Afghan way. Most of the Militants to the best of my knowledge are madrassa educated and good for nothing. I still remember once the Afgan war ended. The Militants settled in Pakistan and made Pakistan their second home. Now u have drugs, grenades and AK 47 sold openly . Ethnic or sectarian violence is immediately followed by public violence. The law and order situtation is terrible in Pakistan. Robbery, car lifting is on the rise. Rapes break graph circles According to ‘TIMES’ Pakistan is the most unsafe country even for a individual with criminal links. After the Karachi French Blasts the French Embassy was in Karachi closed for one full year. Embassy and Diplomats are warning their citizens to refrain from traveling to Pakistan.


Suresh (Indian Punjab)

#35 by malikjahanzeb

Why do you have this opinion Malik saheb? Hamid Gul is the only one who despite his popularity refuses to contest elections, refuses to join any political party, the only ex-general who exposes sensitive issues like Ojhri Camp on media, and the only one who invites the present Government to put him on trial but says they never will because he knows too much. As for his being his being a stratetegist, he is credited with the vital Jalababad victory of Taliban which soon put them in Kabul.

So your opinion is not only hasty, but misguided and naive.

Being a pakistani, I feel strange saying this, but as I listened to hamid gul, he seemed to me as an absolute a$$ hole.

#31 by ranjit

Now I see your analogy. But there`re vital differences here.

First, what was the military objective of the war in Iraq in the first place? Noone seems to know. Obviously if the military objective is not known, it cannot be said whether it has been achieved or failed. In case of Kashmir, the military objective is clear and has always been so the two cannot be used as analogy.

Second, Bush wants to send Americans to die in Iraq to maintain the occupation, while Pakistan sends Kashmiris and others to liberate Kashmir from occupation. Therefore, your analogy should be Bush with your PMs rather than with Hamid Gul because they are sending Indians to die in Kashmir to maintain the occupation.

Third point is same as above.

Fourth, how do you say Bush is driven by ideology or religious zeal? Bush is driven by Oil interests while Gul is indeed driven by ideology and religious zeal. So again there`s no analogy.

:-)

Understanding Kashmir,

Sdaam Hussain was hanged. Here is an educated pakistani, a former foreign secretary, and what is his concern. Will Sadam become a martyr???, will he get the 42 houris??? and the other things promised for a shaheed. Read the concerns of an educated pakistani, a former top diplomat, from ``Dawn``.


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Will he become a martyr?


By Najmuddin A. Shaikh

THE hangman’s noose was placed around Saddam Hussein’ neck in the early hours of the morning on which Sunnis in Iraq and neighbouring Arab states were due to celebrate Eid ul Azha. He had been captured on December 13, 2003, some nine months after the American invasion, in as humiliating a posture as could be imagined. It had been expected that he would be executed.

Understanding Kashmir

To understand the Kashmir issue, one has to understand the primary value system of the educated Pakistanis.

Here is what they did to their own highly educated man, a Nobel prize winner, Abdus Salam.
November 21 was his death anniversary, and no Muslim pakistani dared to remember that and there is the fundamental conflict with India.

There used to be an interactor on Chowk, Yassar Hamdani and he even tried to change the image of pakistan on chowk by repeatedly asserting that there are roads named after Abdus Salam in pakistan.

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Thus came to an ignominious and shameful end the association of a unique man with his own country. He lived on in Trieste, his home, carrying out various assignments for the United Nations and for the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute, and along the way collecting award after award, honour after honour, being elected to numerous academies and societies, being honoured with 27 D.Sc Honoris Cause, and publishing some 250 scientific papers.

Sadly, and most undeservedly, in the early 1990s he suffered a rare nervous disease which affected his speech and his bodily movements, leaving his mind perfectly clear. He died in1996, his body was brought back to Pakistan, and he was buried in Rabhwa, later renamed Chenab Nagar by that great ‘liberal’ Punjab chief minister Shahbaz Sharif. Renowned internationally as the only ‘Muslim Nobel Laureate,’ this fact is denied in Pakistan, where his gravestone has been amended to comically read ‘The First blankety-blank Nobel Laureate,’ the word Muslim having been brutally erased.

Re:zeemax#29

[.....is Hamid Gul related to George W. Bush ...

Of-course not. What makes you think so? Bush is stupid, Hamid Gul is a strategist....]

Well, lets see here -

1. Bush wants to continue a failed war in Iraq without changing course. Hamid Gul wants to continue a failed jihadi enterprise in Kasmir without changing course.

2. Bush wants to send young Americans to die in Iraq for no reason. Hamid Gul wants to send young Kashmiris and Pakistanis to die in Kashmir for no reason.

3. Bush has callous disregard for Iraqi civilian casualties. Hamid Gul has a callous disregard for Kashmiri civilian casualties caught in the crossfire between militants and government

4. Bush is driven by ideology and religious zeal. Hamid Gul is driven by ideology and religious zeal.

Looks like they are long lost brothers who got lost in a mela during their childhood.

#29 by zeemax on January 7, 2007 0:32am PT


Hamid Gul is a strategist.


HAHA...you must be related to jay leno...

#27 by ranjit

...is Hamid Gul related to George W. Bush ...

Of-course not. What makes you think so? Bush is stupid, Hamid Gul is a strategist.

#25 by zeemax on January 6, 2007 11:46pm PT

so you`re back to the Kashmir is bleeding India delusion?

Kashmir->islamic extremism in pakiland->US hellfires on Islamic terrorists->islamic terrorists whack pakis

Didn`t you read your own papers..the counts of paki soldiers who`ve been killed in the ``operations`` in the tribal areas...the count is more than 700..

meanwhile...I see more hellfires in your future..

‘Airspace violations’ terrify tribal people: Foreign militants blamed in Kurram Agency

By Zulfiqar Ali

PESHAWAR, Jan 6: Panic has gripped Kurram Agency with locals feeling growing fear about their safety because of a rise in violations of Pakistan’s airspace by suspected American planes.

Local people believe that the foreign planes might bomb their area during such ‘extended operations’ because of the activities of suspected militant elements, who, they say, are outsiders.

The surveillance missions usually originate from Khost and the aircraft fly over the Spin Ghar area toward Tora Bora in Nangarhar and ‘up to 50km deep’ into Pakistan, local tribesmen said.

Kurram borders Afghanistan’s Khost, Paktika, Paktia and Nangarhar provinces.

But the Foreign Office denied any knowledge of airspace violations and said that the matter should ‘better be raised with the Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR)’.

“The Foreign Office has no information about intrusion of planes from Afghanistan,” spokesperson Tasneem Aslam said on Saturday.

She said the government did not allow the United States or North Atlantic Treaty Organisation forces in Afghanistan to enter Pakistani airspace for reconnaissance missions or other military activities.

Local people feel insecure because of frequent airspace violations by US aircraft over the Kurram valley and indications of suspicious activities on the ground by some elements in the area, which is comparatively peaceful.

Nato and the Afghan army have been conducting operations against insurgents in Khost near the border and the area has been shaken by heavy bombardments.

The local administration and tribesmen voluntarily prohibited display of weapons in the tribal agency about a decade ago.

Sources said ‘outsider’ elements had been breaching the ban.

Residents and officials said that a bloody clash had been averted when the Levies stopped about 100 men carrying rocket launchers and heavy weapons at a checkpoint near Parachinar on Dec 28.

They said the armed men in coaches had demanded passage towards the border area and threatened the Levies men of ‘dire consequences’ if their demand was not met.

The sources said that Levies personnel had sought help from local villagers to resolve the standoff.

As negotiations between the officials and the armed men progressed, the authorities received ‘directives’ to let them proceed.

The sources said movement of armed groups was more open in the lower parts of the Kurram Agency and areas adjacent to North Waziristan.