Akber Choudhry January 2, 2007
#184 Posted by arjun2 on January 3, 2007 11:40:54 am
#173 by Urstruly on January 3, 2007 10:33am PT
If you`re into conspiracy theories(which you clearly are), you`ll enjoy this one...
http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=10253
Mission Accomplished
The War Party meant to destroy Iraq – and so they did
by Justin Raimondo
Arnaud de Borchgrave – a conservative Washington Times columnist, but no neocon – recently had this to say about our president`s future course in Iraq:
``Some political soothsayers in Washington predict Mr. Bush is limbering up for the biggest U-turn in his political life. Think again. The French have an expression for what will probably come next – `La fuite en avant.` The literal translation doesn`t hack it. Loosely interpreted, it means evading an issue with a headlong rush somewhere else.``
Rather than listening to the Baker-Hamilton commission, the petulant frat boy who imagines himself Winston Churchill at the height of World War II is far more likely to pay attention to the recommendations of another report, this one prepared by the Two Chucks – Gen. Chuck Wald, former EUCOM commander, and Chuck Vollmer, president of VII, Inc., a Pentagon contractor – that paves the way for la fuite en avant times 10. ``Rather than planning withdrawal from Iraq,`` says the Wald-Vollmer paper,
``With the entry of Iran into the equation,the next phases of Operation Iraqi Freedom could possibly include … a major invasion of Iran and pro-Iranian forces against Western forces in the region and Israel, and/or a global energy crisis. We may be better served to plan for repositioning in this strategically important region. While withdrawal may be necessary in Iraq, withdrawal from the region would precipitate a global balance-of-power shift toward the Iran-Russia-China axis, which would be very detrimental for the energy dependent West.``
An attack on Iran by the U.S. has been widely predicted – Tony Blankley gave voice to this growing certainty in Washington on the New Year`s edition of The McLaughlin Group – but an invasion? The usual scenario is a series of bombing raids targeting Iran`s alleged nuclear weapons facilities, but almost no one has suggested putting American ``boots on the ground`` in Iran, not even Mad John McCain, for whom the phrase has become a rhetorical signature.
Yet it is difficult to imagine that there won`t be extensive ground fighting if and when we exercise a military option against Iran. After all, Iraq, which shares a long border with Iran, has some 130,000 American troops on its soil. They will hardly be immune to attack: indeed, it will be open season on them in Iraq, with pro-Iranian Shi`ites uniting in anger with Sunnis to target the country`s ``liberators.``
In any case, the U.S. withdrawal from Iraq may come sooner than any of us now believe possible – if we take seriously the possibility that American soldiers will soon be fighting in Iran. This is what they mean by ``phased redeployment`` somewhere ``over the horizon.``
We keep hearing from Democratic critics of the war that the Bush administration has ``failed,`` because we can`t keep order in Baghdad and the Iranians are in a position of unparalleled influence not only in Iraq but throughout the region. Yet this evaluation is based on a series of remarkably naďve assumptions, all of which have been proven utterly wrong.
The announced war aim of the Bush administration was to rid Saddam of his alleged ``weapons of mass destruction,`` and when the WMD myth was finally and definitively debunked, they told us we were there to install a functioning democracy. That didn`t pan out, either – unless one considers Shi`ite death squads, and a campaign of ethnic cleansing that puts the one supposedly initiated by Slobodan Milosevic to shame, legitimate expressions of the demos.
America`s real war aims are another matter entirely, and they are coming into focus as the situation on the ground develops. After all, why assume that what is currently happening in Iraq isn`t part of the program? Surely the Americans knew the dismemberment of the Iraqi state would have to mean Shi`ite hegemony, an empowered Iran, and the prospect of a regionalized conflagration. It defies belief that they didn`t: our rulers may be evil, but they sure as heck aren`t stupid (and I`m not talking about the president, who is a genuine dolt).
We have every reason to believe that the death and decomposition of the Iraqi state is precisely what they had in mind when they decided to invade in the first place. Furthermore, a civil war had to be the outcome of a sudden vacuum of legitimacy, and it was bound to be a religious conflict, pitting Sunnis against Shi`ites. Looked at in a larger context, it makes perfect sense that the War Party is now playing the ``Shi`ite card,`` as the visit of Abdul Aziz al-Hakim to Washington indicates. Hakim, leader of the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq (SCIRI), met with the president, chatted with Condi, and took a tour of the Pentagon. If we`re looking for the true origins of the ``surge`` strategy in Iraq – the prospect of adding some 30,000 troops to ``stabilize`` Baghdad and rebel provinces – we need look no further than Hakim`s Dec. 4 speech [.pdf] to the U.S. Institute of Peace:
``We believe that the deterring factors are not up to the level of their criminal activities. The strikes they are getting from the multinational forces are not hard enough to put an end to their acts, but leave them stand up again to resume their criminal acts. This means that there is something wrong in the policies taken to deal with that danger threatening the lives of the Iraqis. Eliminating the danger of the Civil War in Iraq could only be achieved through directing decisive strikes against terrorist Bathists terrorists [sic] in Iraq. Otherwise we`ll continue to witness massacres being committed every now and then against the innocent Iraqis.``
Translation: Help us to finally smash the Sunnis by sending more troops. That this is about to happen is all but certain, in spite of noises coming from the Democratic peanut gallery. It`s all part of the administration`s grand strategy – or, rather, the neocons` strategy, which is one and the same thing – and it`s not like this has been any great secret. Writing in the Wall Street Journal two full years ago, neocon tactician and retired spook Reuel Marc Gerecht showed the War Party`s hand:
``In Iraq, the U.S. ought to have two obvious goals. To crush the Sunni insurgency before it can provoke the birth of an exclusive, angry Shi`ite political identity willing to do to the Arab Sunnis what the Ba`ath once did to the Shia. If such an identity is born, it is most unlikely democracy can prevail. Washington must thus ensure that the democratic process in Iraq, regardless of the violence, keeps on rolling. As long as it does, clerical Iran will not be able to gain much traction inside the country. SCIRI, the Da`wa, and the Sadriyyin are not puppets controlled by Tehran; the rising power of southern Iraq`s Shi`ite tribes, which historically have looked askance at clerical direction from any quarter, will further frustrate Iranian influence.
``Persians stick out in Iraq like sore thumbs (very few Iranians can speak Arabic with any facility). They must have Iraqi surrogates to advance their interests, which are in opposition to those of most Iraqis. The U.S. could bomb uranium-enrichment facilities in Iran and it`s much more likely Washington will see protests in the anti-Shi`ite Sunni Arab world than among Iraq`s Shi`ites. This is a paradox that Washington should understand. If we don`t, a nuclear-armed Iranian theocracy is likely to win in Iraq, and beyond.``
The idea is that a U.S./Shi`ite alliance would act as a brake on Iran. The big problem for the Americans is that the Sadrists are militantly anti-American, as well as hyper-nationalistic, and that the supposedly ``moderate`` SCIRI and Da`wa Party activists tend to be more pro-Iranian. Nevertheless, it appears that the U.S. has chosen SCIRI as the new American client in Iraq, and is now planning an offensive against the Sadrists, which is what the proposed ``surge`` is partially about.
As I noted at the time, Robert Dreyfuss was right on target with his 2004 analysis of how playing the ``Shi`ite card`` fits into the larger strategy of ``transformation`` in the Middle East:
``This theory, now official doctrine for the neocons, is at the heart of their Iran strategy. It counts as second Big Mistake of the Iraq war. Big Mistake No. 1 was the neocon belief that the Iraqis would welcome U.S. troops with open arms – instead, they welcomed us with arms. Big Mistake No. 2, now taking shape, is that Iraq`s Shi`ites are Good Guys who will lead a pro-American Iraq against Iran`s `clerical dictatorship.` I believe that they really believe this. But the reality is that in a Shi`ite-dominated Iraq, the hard-liners and the people with guns (i.e., the Badr Brigades) will take over, and they will make common cause with some of the clergy in Iran. It will be a dagger all right, but one aimed at Saudi Arabia`s Sunni state. Of course, that too is part of the long-term Israeli-neocon strategy, to overthrow the Saudi king. It`s a regional regime-change strategy (one that includes Syria of course) and it has been central to their whole Middle East policy for a decade. It is also a fantasy, with a thousand possibilities for things to go terribly wrong. Big Mistake No. 1 led to the Iraqi insurgency. Big Mistake No. 2 could lead to a Middle East inflamed by Islamic revolution in spades.``
Seen in the context of the ``war on terrorism,`` the strategy undertaken by the U.S. in Iraq makes a twisted kind of sense. If we approach the problem in theological terms, the idea of going on the offensive against militant Islam means splitting the Muslim world along sectarian lines – which is precisely what is happening in today`s Iraq. Tomorrow the same thing will be happening throughout the Middle East. Or so the War Party hopes.
Contra Dreyfuss, I don`t believe in the neocons` good intentions: they don`t really believe the Shi`ites are the ``Good Guys`` – not with the Badr Brigade on the rampage, carrying out a religious ``cleansing`` alongside the Mahdi Army of the Sadrists. And what about those Iranians caught in Hakim`s SCIRI compound, who were accused by the Americans of directing attacks on U.S. (and, presumably, Iraqi) forces?
The War Party is desperate to provoke the Iranians into a military conflict, and they are pulling out all the stops to do so. With economic sanctions against Iran already in place, and likely to be ratcheted up – along with the anti-Iranian propaganda campaign – the likelihood of war with the mullahs of Tehran is an eventuality that seems almost fated to occur, whether or not the American people support it. Less than half now believe a war with Iran in the next year is likely: however, I predict that number is bound to increase as 2007 drags on. The chances of war rise as we examine the positions of various prominent candidates for president on the Iran question, with even alleged peacenik Barack Obama openly musing that American military action is an ``option.``
George W. Bush has been savagely criticized and mercilessly mocked for declaring ``mission accomplished`` at the very moment when the anti-American insurgency was birthed, but in retrospect this makes perfect sense – if one realizes that our mission was the utter destruction of Iraq. As a dress rehearsal for the larger event – the coming Sunni-Shi`ite civil war that will go down in history as comparable to Europe`s Thirty Years` War pitting Catholics against Protestants – Iraq is truly a ``model`` for the rest of the region, albeit not in a way anybody but the perpetrators of this criminal policy expected.
If you`re into conspiracy theories(which you clearly are), you`ll enjoy this one...
http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=10253
Mission Accomplished
The War Party meant to destroy Iraq – and so they did
by Justin Raimondo
Arnaud de Borchgrave – a conservative Washington Times columnist, but no neocon – recently had this to say about our president`s future course in Iraq:
``Some political soothsayers in Washington predict Mr. Bush is limbering up for the biggest U-turn in his political life. Think again. The French have an expression for what will probably come next – `La fuite en avant.` The literal translation doesn`t hack it. Loosely interpreted, it means evading an issue with a headlong rush somewhere else.``
Rather than listening to the Baker-Hamilton commission, the petulant frat boy who imagines himself Winston Churchill at the height of World War II is far more likely to pay attention to the recommendations of another report, this one prepared by the Two Chucks – Gen. Chuck Wald, former EUCOM commander, and Chuck Vollmer, president of VII, Inc., a Pentagon contractor – that paves the way for la fuite en avant times 10. ``Rather than planning withdrawal from Iraq,`` says the Wald-Vollmer paper,
``With the entry of Iran into the equation,the next phases of Operation Iraqi Freedom could possibly include … a major invasion of Iran and pro-Iranian forces against Western forces in the region and Israel, and/or a global energy crisis. We may be better served to plan for repositioning in this strategically important region. While withdrawal may be necessary in Iraq, withdrawal from the region would precipitate a global balance-of-power shift toward the Iran-Russia-China axis, which would be very detrimental for the energy dependent West.``
An attack on Iran by the U.S. has been widely predicted – Tony Blankley gave voice to this growing certainty in Washington on the New Year`s edition of The McLaughlin Group – but an invasion? The usual scenario is a series of bombing raids targeting Iran`s alleged nuclear weapons facilities, but almost no one has suggested putting American ``boots on the ground`` in Iran, not even Mad John McCain, for whom the phrase has become a rhetorical signature.
Yet it is difficult to imagine that there won`t be extensive ground fighting if and when we exercise a military option against Iran. After all, Iraq, which shares a long border with Iran, has some 130,000 American troops on its soil. They will hardly be immune to attack: indeed, it will be open season on them in Iraq, with pro-Iranian Shi`ites uniting in anger with Sunnis to target the country`s ``liberators.``
In any case, the U.S. withdrawal from Iraq may come sooner than any of us now believe possible – if we take seriously the possibility that American soldiers will soon be fighting in Iran. This is what they mean by ``phased redeployment`` somewhere ``over the horizon.``
We keep hearing from Democratic critics of the war that the Bush administration has ``failed,`` because we can`t keep order in Baghdad and the Iranians are in a position of unparalleled influence not only in Iraq but throughout the region. Yet this evaluation is based on a series of remarkably naďve assumptions, all of which have been proven utterly wrong.
The announced war aim of the Bush administration was to rid Saddam of his alleged ``weapons of mass destruction,`` and when the WMD myth was finally and definitively debunked, they told us we were there to install a functioning democracy. That didn`t pan out, either – unless one considers Shi`ite death squads, and a campaign of ethnic cleansing that puts the one supposedly initiated by Slobodan Milosevic to shame, legitimate expressions of the demos.
America`s real war aims are another matter entirely, and they are coming into focus as the situation on the ground develops. After all, why assume that what is currently happening in Iraq isn`t part of the program? Surely the Americans knew the dismemberment of the Iraqi state would have to mean Shi`ite hegemony, an empowered Iran, and the prospect of a regionalized conflagration. It defies belief that they didn`t: our rulers may be evil, but they sure as heck aren`t stupid (and I`m not talking about the president, who is a genuine dolt).
We have every reason to believe that the death and decomposition of the Iraqi state is precisely what they had in mind when they decided to invade in the first place. Furthermore, a civil war had to be the outcome of a sudden vacuum of legitimacy, and it was bound to be a religious conflict, pitting Sunnis against Shi`ites. Looked at in a larger context, it makes perfect sense that the War Party is now playing the ``Shi`ite card,`` as the visit of Abdul Aziz al-Hakim to Washington indicates. Hakim, leader of the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq (SCIRI), met with the president, chatted with Condi, and took a tour of the Pentagon. If we`re looking for the true origins of the ``surge`` strategy in Iraq – the prospect of adding some 30,000 troops to ``stabilize`` Baghdad and rebel provinces – we need look no further than Hakim`s Dec. 4 speech [.pdf] to the U.S. Institute of Peace:
``We believe that the deterring factors are not up to the level of their criminal activities. The strikes they are getting from the multinational forces are not hard enough to put an end to their acts, but leave them stand up again to resume their criminal acts. This means that there is something wrong in the policies taken to deal with that danger threatening the lives of the Iraqis. Eliminating the danger of the Civil War in Iraq could only be achieved through directing decisive strikes against terrorist Bathists terrorists [sic] in Iraq. Otherwise we`ll continue to witness massacres being committed every now and then against the innocent Iraqis.``
Translation: Help us to finally smash the Sunnis by sending more troops. That this is about to happen is all but certain, in spite of noises coming from the Democratic peanut gallery. It`s all part of the administration`s grand strategy – or, rather, the neocons` strategy, which is one and the same thing – and it`s not like this has been any great secret. Writing in the Wall Street Journal two full years ago, neocon tactician and retired spook Reuel Marc Gerecht showed the War Party`s hand:
``In Iraq, the U.S. ought to have two obvious goals. To crush the Sunni insurgency before it can provoke the birth of an exclusive, angry Shi`ite political identity willing to do to the Arab Sunnis what the Ba`ath once did to the Shia. If such an identity is born, it is most unlikely democracy can prevail. Washington must thus ensure that the democratic process in Iraq, regardless of the violence, keeps on rolling. As long as it does, clerical Iran will not be able to gain much traction inside the country. SCIRI, the Da`wa, and the Sadriyyin are not puppets controlled by Tehran; the rising power of southern Iraq`s Shi`ite tribes, which historically have looked askance at clerical direction from any quarter, will further frustrate Iranian influence.
``Persians stick out in Iraq like sore thumbs (very few Iranians can speak Arabic with any facility). They must have Iraqi surrogates to advance their interests, which are in opposition to those of most Iraqis. The U.S. could bomb uranium-enrichment facilities in Iran and it`s much more likely Washington will see protests in the anti-Shi`ite Sunni Arab world than among Iraq`s Shi`ites. This is a paradox that Washington should understand. If we don`t, a nuclear-armed Iranian theocracy is likely to win in Iraq, and beyond.``
The idea is that a U.S./Shi`ite alliance would act as a brake on Iran. The big problem for the Americans is that the Sadrists are militantly anti-American, as well as hyper-nationalistic, and that the supposedly ``moderate`` SCIRI and Da`wa Party activists tend to be more pro-Iranian. Nevertheless, it appears that the U.S. has chosen SCIRI as the new American client in Iraq, and is now planning an offensive against the Sadrists, which is what the proposed ``surge`` is partially about.
As I noted at the time, Robert Dreyfuss was right on target with his 2004 analysis of how playing the ``Shi`ite card`` fits into the larger strategy of ``transformation`` in the Middle East:
``This theory, now official doctrine for the neocons, is at the heart of their Iran strategy. It counts as second Big Mistake of the Iraq war. Big Mistake No. 1 was the neocon belief that the Iraqis would welcome U.S. troops with open arms – instead, they welcomed us with arms. Big Mistake No. 2, now taking shape, is that Iraq`s Shi`ites are Good Guys who will lead a pro-American Iraq against Iran`s `clerical dictatorship.` I believe that they really believe this. But the reality is that in a Shi`ite-dominated Iraq, the hard-liners and the people with guns (i.e., the Badr Brigades) will take over, and they will make common cause with some of the clergy in Iran. It will be a dagger all right, but one aimed at Saudi Arabia`s Sunni state. Of course, that too is part of the long-term Israeli-neocon strategy, to overthrow the Saudi king. It`s a regional regime-change strategy (one that includes Syria of course) and it has been central to their whole Middle East policy for a decade. It is also a fantasy, with a thousand possibilities for things to go terribly wrong. Big Mistake No. 1 led to the Iraqi insurgency. Big Mistake No. 2 could lead to a Middle East inflamed by Islamic revolution in spades.``
Seen in the context of the ``war on terrorism,`` the strategy undertaken by the U.S. in Iraq makes a twisted kind of sense. If we approach the problem in theological terms, the idea of going on the offensive against militant Islam means splitting the Muslim world along sectarian lines – which is precisely what is happening in today`s Iraq. Tomorrow the same thing will be happening throughout the Middle East. Or so the War Party hopes.
Contra Dreyfuss, I don`t believe in the neocons` good intentions: they don`t really believe the Shi`ites are the ``Good Guys`` – not with the Badr Brigade on the rampage, carrying out a religious ``cleansing`` alongside the Mahdi Army of the Sadrists. And what about those Iranians caught in Hakim`s SCIRI compound, who were accused by the Americans of directing attacks on U.S. (and, presumably, Iraqi) forces?
The War Party is desperate to provoke the Iranians into a military conflict, and they are pulling out all the stops to do so. With economic sanctions against Iran already in place, and likely to be ratcheted up – along with the anti-Iranian propaganda campaign – the likelihood of war with the mullahs of Tehran is an eventuality that seems almost fated to occur, whether or not the American people support it. Less than half now believe a war with Iran in the next year is likely: however, I predict that number is bound to increase as 2007 drags on. The chances of war rise as we examine the positions of various prominent candidates for president on the Iran question, with even alleged peacenik Barack Obama openly musing that American military action is an ``option.``
George W. Bush has been savagely criticized and mercilessly mocked for declaring ``mission accomplished`` at the very moment when the anti-American insurgency was birthed, but in retrospect this makes perfect sense – if one realizes that our mission was the utter destruction of Iraq. As a dress rehearsal for the larger event – the coming Sunni-Shi`ite civil war that will go down in history as comparable to Europe`s Thirty Years` War pitting Catholics against Protestants – Iraq is truly a ``model`` for the rest of the region, albeit not in a way anybody but the perpetrators of this criminal policy expected.
#183 Posted by avkrishna on January 3, 2007 11:23:00 am
All this outrage against the `botched` hanging of Saddam is another flimsy attempt to put the blame on USA. Everybody knows that it`s an open Shia-Sunni conflict now. In fact, it`s the presence of USA which atleast allowed for a half decent process for Saddam`s trial. Otherwise, his fate would have been similar to that of the Afghan president
#182 Posted by KaalChakra on January 3, 2007 11:08:29 am
Not to disturb passionate panegyrics here for the Great Man Saddam Hussain, does anyone know the etymology of the word avadhoot?
Parthaab, in case you take a break from crying bitter buckets?
Parthaab, in case you take a break from crying bitter buckets?
#181 Posted by hamidm2 on January 3, 2007 11:07:48 am
Re: # 179
urstruly,
...... you and your conspiracy theories ! .......... if you are not careful you will end up in a looney bin with pat robertson and maulana masadi .........
urstruly,
...... you and your conspiracy theories ! .......... if you are not careful you will end up in a looney bin with pat robertson and maulana masadi .........
#180 Posted by soysauce on January 3, 2007 11:07:21 am
urstruly, man your paranoia knows no bounds! IQ of body temp? What units? Kelvin?
It has been reported that the americans if anything wanted to postpone the execution but Maliki wanted the execution to be an ``eid gift to the people of iraq``. His government got Sistani`s OK for the execution during religious holidays, something forbidden under iraqi law. It should warm your cockles of your heart or something to learn that religious edict won over state law.
It was not american propaganda machinery that released the video. It was a clandestine video released to online video sites which are controlled by no one. FYI, the same ``american propaganda machinery`` also shows videos of IED attacks on american soldiers in iraq.
Lastly, Pat Robertson sure knows the future. He predicted that devastating tsunami would occur in the US in 2006 and we all know what happened.
It has been reported that the americans if anything wanted to postpone the execution but Maliki wanted the execution to be an ``eid gift to the people of iraq``. His government got Sistani`s OK for the execution during religious holidays, something forbidden under iraqi law. It should warm your cockles of your heart or something to learn that religious edict won over state law.
It was not american propaganda machinery that released the video. It was a clandestine video released to online video sites which are controlled by no one. FYI, the same ``american propaganda machinery`` also shows videos of IED attacks on american soldiers in iraq.
Lastly, Pat Robertson sure knows the future. He predicted that devastating tsunami would occur in the US in 2006 and we all know what happened.
#179 Posted by Urstruly on January 3, 2007 10:54:40 am
hamdimd
Look, the powers that be have already started preparing people`s mind as to what is about to happen. Any idiot with an IQ equal to his body temperature knows that those who perpetrated 9/11 will strike once again to keep the current butchers in power. My personal guess is that this time they will impose Martial law in US after such attacks:
Pat Robertson Predicts Deadly Attack on U.S.
AP
VIRGINIA BEACH, Va. (Jan. 3) - In what has become an annual tradition of prognostications, religious broadcaster Pat Robertson said Tuesday God has told him that a terrorist attack on the United States would result in ``mass killing`` late in 2007.
#178 Posted by KaalChakra on January 3, 2007 10:50:07 am
LOL, hamidm2, that is among the most acceptable pictures of avadhoot sadhus :)
#177 Posted by Urstruly on January 3, 2007 10:47:28 am
Re: # 174
Have you seen the percentage of Americans who now believe that American government was complacent in 9/11 attacks or even perpetrated it? the reason for the loss of seats in both houses by these butchers? have you ever thought how it was made possible? Have you ever pondered why Toady Blair has banned the use of the term ``war on terror`` through an official decree. All of this was not possible had we just sit silent and swallowed the goop that western propaganda machinery feeds to its own people and around the world. We had no choice but to seek the truth and keep questioning. The result is quite obvious over the five year span -
propagand machinery= 0 , truth =1.
Have you seen the percentage of Americans who now believe that American government was complacent in 9/11 attacks or even perpetrated it? the reason for the loss of seats in both houses by these butchers? have you ever thought how it was made possible? Have you ever pondered why Toady Blair has banned the use of the term ``war on terror`` through an official decree. All of this was not possible had we just sit silent and swallowed the goop that western propaganda machinery feeds to its own people and around the world. We had no choice but to seek the truth and keep questioning. The result is quite obvious over the five year span -
propagand machinery= 0 , truth =1.
#176 Posted by hamidm2 on January 3, 2007 10:46:06 am
i decided to skip lunch after seeing this - ugh !

#175 Posted by KaalChakra on January 3, 2007 10:40:56 am
Parthaab # 166, # 167
Wow! Parthaab and Shiv Sena on the same side!
Chance, conviction, or pure opportunism?
Wow! Parthaab and Shiv Sena on the same side!
Chance, conviction, or pure opportunism?
#174 Posted by hamidm2 on January 3, 2007 10:37:25 am
Re: # 173
urstruly,
....... so what are you going to do about it other than rant and rave on the internet even as you wait for your w-2 ?
urstruly,
....... so what are you going to do about it other than rant and rave on the internet even as you wait for your w-2 ?
#173 Posted by Urstruly on January 3, 2007 10:33:41 am
Re: # 171
Please free your petty mind, and look at the big picture. The murder of Saddam Hussain through a kangroo court has nothing to do with serving justice to a cruel dictator - but it has everything to do with the symbolic gesture where an inhuman empire is sending the the signal to the world as to how the future rebellions and rebels will be dealt with. No human being with a clear and just conscience will stand this kind of bullshit - this is not medieveil times we live in. The footage of this murder was released and disseminated by American propaganda machinery deliberately to get the political milage out of it; and frankly we will not let them. They think that they can intimidate Muslims with the Nazi crap such as this but they are sadly mistaken; it only makes us more detremined to stand up against this oppression.
Please free your petty mind, and look at the big picture. The murder of Saddam Hussain through a kangroo court has nothing to do with serving justice to a cruel dictator - but it has everything to do with the symbolic gesture where an inhuman empire is sending the the signal to the world as to how the future rebellions and rebels will be dealt with. No human being with a clear and just conscience will stand this kind of bullshit - this is not medieveil times we live in. The footage of this murder was released and disseminated by American propaganda machinery deliberately to get the political milage out of it; and frankly we will not let them. They think that they can intimidate Muslims with the Nazi crap such as this but they are sadly mistaken; it only makes us more detremined to stand up against this oppression.
#172 Posted by hamidm2 on January 3, 2007 10:21:40 am
Re: # 170
urstruly,
....... ``islam jinda hota hai har karbala kay baad`` ........ sure, but which islam ?..... shia, sunni or ahmedi ?
urstruly,
....... ``islam jinda hota hai har karbala kay baad`` ........ sure, but which islam ?..... shia, sunni or ahmedi ?
#171 Posted by Kulharee on January 3, 2007 10:20:32 am
Re: # 170
Very nice Truly Sahib… Islam is being Zinda Hota in Sudan some 2000 times a day. But to be honest, Iranians wouldn’t appreciate you equating Saddam’s filthy name with that of Imam Hussein. As you will probably know that not a single word of denunciation has been said by the Iranian leadership over Saddam’s death. Shias in Iraq danced in the streets to celebrate the death of the butcher. Only some Wahabi inspired Pakis are making such a big deal over it. Kinda interesting.
Very nice Truly Sahib… Islam is being Zinda Hota in Sudan some 2000 times a day. But to be honest, Iranians wouldn’t appreciate you equating Saddam’s filthy name with that of Imam Hussein. As you will probably know that not a single word of denunciation has been said by the Iranian leadership over Saddam’s death. Shias in Iraq danced in the streets to celebrate the death of the butcher. Only some Wahabi inspired Pakis are making such a big deal over it. Kinda interesting.
#170 Posted by Urstruly on January 3, 2007 10:14:05 am
Qatl-e-Saddam Hussain asl main marg-e-maghrib hay
Islam zinda hota hay har Karbala kay baad
#169 Posted by okhla99 on January 3, 2007 9:44:04 am
Re: # 151
You should be avoiding ad-hominem replies Masadi.
You should be avoiding ad-hominem replies Masadi.
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