Saddam - The Sacrificial Lion

bloodletting is a tested cure for curing many diseases

....... what is happening in the muslim world - shias and sunnis killing each other - is necessary to cure the disease that has afflicted the ummah since the time of the abominable four ........... it would be nice if we could undo the harm done by the conquest of mecca and restore al-lat and her sisters to their rightful place in the kaaba, but it is too late for that now .......... the only hope we have is that muslims will come around after this round of bloodshed and join the ranks of civilized people .........

okhla writes <<< Hanging of Saddam is but one step forward in the eminently sensible long term US plan for the region -- Control over the oil resources. And this can, in the opinion of the think tank, be easily achieved by balkanisation of the Iran-Iraq-Pakistan region >>>

Only the most diseased mind on earth can claim that the human disaster caused by US global intervention is ``eminently sensible``. There is nothing on the international level that can be ``easily achieved``, your unnamed ``think tank`` thought that Iraq would be a cake walk as well. Because Kuwait is ``easily controlled`` does not mean that other tiny regions can also be easily controlled, there is not much that is uniform between different regions and their neighbours and how they would react, generalizing in this fashion is typical Musharraf BS. Further there is no ``order`` in this chaos, there is chaos and further chaos and human misery. Regardless of your obsession with me, damn fool intellects like you are scattered all over the internet like bird droppings, they don`t fool anyone by merely rehashing official propaganda that the mainstream does a much better job of presenting than diseased minds like yours. You on the other hand are happy polishing the boots of the dictator that polishes the boots of we know who, in all of this your slave mentality and the slave mentality of your mentor are clearly evident.

Re: # 149

Glad you notice the futility of any discussion.

However, this current barrage started from my innocent question .... and for that I apologise and promise not to discuss this issue i.e. racist casteist hindu fascist bigot gandhi

Manto mian,

Discussing MKG/MAJ (pbuh) won`t stop the slaughter either in Iraq or in the subcontinent. It was just that this is a post on Saddam Hussein. But anyways all posts on chowk end up with MAJ-MKG/Hanud-Musla, Hindian/Paki arguments. So maybe shouldn`t be too concerned.

Regards

Re: # 147

... in response to Majumdar.

... and you feel discussing it on chowk will miraculously stop Iraqis from slaughtering each other...

Wah bhai... you give a whole new meaning to the word ``delusional``.

While not quite appropriate (saddam was all about his personal glory, and iraqis were mere gaajer-mooli to be cut up as needed, and so could hardly be called a patriot), this ``takht yaa takhtaa`` (the throne or the execution platform) is indeed an old story, as per below.


The Patriot, The
by Robert Browning

AN OLD STORY.

I.

It was roses, roses, all the way,
With myrtle mixed in my path like mad:
The house-roofs seemed to heave and sway,
The church-spires flamed, such flags they had,
A year ago on this very day.

II.

The air broke into a mist with bells,
The old walls rocked with the crowd and cries.
Had I said, ``Good folk, mere noise repels-
But give me your sun from yonder skies!``
They had answered, ``And afterward, what else?``

III.

Alack, it was I who leaped at the sun
To give it my loving friends to keep!
Nought man could do, have I left undone:
And you see my harvest, what I reap
This very day, now a year is run.

IV.

There`s nobody on the house-tops now-
Just a palsied few at the windows set;
For the best of the sight is, all allow,
At the Shambles` Gate-or, better yet,
By the very scaffold`s foot, I trow.

V.

I go in the rain, and, more than needs,
A rope cuts both my wrists behind;
And I think, by the feel, my forehead bleeds,
For they fling, whoever has a mind,
Stones at me for my year`s misdeeds.

VI.

Thus I entered, and thus I go!
In triumphs, people have dropped down dead.
``Paid by the world, what dost thou owe
``Me?``-God might question; now instead,
`Tis God shall repay: I am safer so.

Manto mian,

Hey bhagwan. Iraqis are busy slaughtering each other and you are still after poor MKG/JLN/SPV`s backsides.

Regards

Dear Ranjit,

One thing is sure... you`ve got your analogies messed up... Shia Jinnah`s greatest achievement was bringing the diverse communities of Sunnis, Barelvis, Doebandis, Shias, Ismailis, Agha Khanis, Bohris and even Bahais on one united platform... just as once he had even brought Hindus and Muslims together for a brief moment...

However.. it is true that the Shia community has unfortunately found witchdoctors of Gandhi`s stature in Sistani and Moqtada ... hell bent on destroying Iraqi minorities- sunnis, communists and Christians.... and that is creating the same confusion, Gandhi once did in United India.

Re:manto

Manto yaar, what Iraq needs is a Jinnah. Anyone with half a brain can see that Iraqis just do not want to live together anymore. The prudent thing to do is to separate them and carve out separate countries, autonomous units, whatever. The oil wealth needs to be shared in some proportion, while Uncle Sam keeps an eye on terrorism. Thats it. Just separate them and let them chart their own destinies.

Speaking of separate destinies, check out the following about India`s boom in real estate due to the frenzied economic growth. You know, every day we hindus say a prayer to Jinnah while we laugh all the way to the bank!! Om Shri Jinnaye Namah......

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070102/lf_nm/india_property_dc

Re: # 141

{Re:manto#129

[,,My question is that if Saddam was hanged... why were people like Casteist racist hindu fascist bigot Gandhi and his disciples Nehru and Patel who plotted the deaths of millions of people not tried for crimes against humanity?....]

Hey Arjun2, are you there? Manto beat you to the punch on this board with the first dibs on calling Gandhi a racist, castist, nazi. Arjun dude, you need to do better next time.....}


I too have noticed that the denudation of the racist, casteist, hindu fascist bigot Gandhi is now on auto pilot.

Anyway... let us remember a man who died valiantly... even if he was a tyrant and forget that racist casteist hindu fascist bigot Gandhi for now.

Re:manto#129

[,,My question is that if Saddam was hanged... why were people like Casteist racist hindu fascist bigot Gandhi and his disciples Nehru and Patel who plotted the deaths of millions of people not tried for crimes against humanity?....]

Hey Arjun2, are you there? Manto beat you to the punch on this board with the first dibs on calling Gandhi a racist, castist, nazi. Arjun dude, you need to do better next time.....

#36 by Salim_Chauhan to #35, Anil,

Salim,

What you listed is what actually happened, but not `why` that happened. The entire difference was over whether Muhammad`s successor should be spiritual or temporal. According to Ali`s supporters, the `Deen` had not been completed with Muhammad`s demise (evidenced by Muhammad`s remark about Ali at Ghadir-Al-Khumm on return from the Last Sermon), and Muhammad`s insistence that descended injunctions can only be delivered by Ahl-e-Bait . According to consensus of Suhaba-e-Karam, however, the `Deen` had been completed, and now a temporal succession of worldy hierarchy was required to consolidate and expand. As it turned out, both were right in the long run.

However I have no doubt that all attempts to divide the Sunni/Shia will fail, because Muslims of any persuation know these americans etc have no other option to defeat an ideology such as Islam except by divide & rule. Iran`s reaction on Saddam`s lynching, Ahmedinejad`s offer to share nuke technology with Sunni Arab regimes, and much earlier statements on several occasions by Muqtada and his boycotting the Al-Maliki cabinet against meeting Bush is sufficient proof.

Hanging of Saddam is but one step forward in the eminently sensible long term US plan for the region -- Control over the oil resources. And this can, in the opinion of the think tank, be easily achieved by balkanisation of the Iran-Iraq-Pakistan region. Small states with oil resources can be ``managed`` effectively (the Kuwait model). Other small & medium states without any significant oil resources can surely be relied upon to maintain a hostile environment with constant mini wars amongst themselves which threaten to spill over into and engulf the ``oil holders`` which would be ``duly protected`` by the US. For a price.

Therefore, the next step would be balkanization of the region. Whether Kurdistan becomes independent first or Balochistan is what remains to be seen. The order is immaterial. What matters is that there is an order in the chaos. The US is slowly and surely inching towards its long term goals. And no amount of chest thumping is going to daunt it…..

And of course, Masadi knows this all...

``I think Shias should have been magnaminous and commuted his sentence to life improsonment and sent to Saudi Arabia as Musharaff did to NS. ``

How can we compare SH ,a dictator and a genocidal maniac, with NS or BB who were democratically elected by Pakistani population??? This is all confused thinking and a propaganda being spread by the Islamists. SH met his fate. He deserved it all. Like many other rascal psychopaths who show no sign of resentment, he smiled mockingly at the manhood of those who were could not stop him from butchering all those people he had killed. Remember SH claimed to have sounded every one about the American and Persian conspiracy before he faced the gallows. There have been many such criminals before who claimed innocence even when they confront death and we would see more of them again when such criminals would shout and claim martrydom when they face the gallows spouting conspiracy theories in order to ``prove`` their innocence!!

America has done an excellent job of shielding its populatoin from the reality of the world as well as the appropriate context of the events. But Saddam, through his lynching, tore through the steriled coverage of tragedy in Iraq and provided perhaps one of the few glimpses into the perversion of the sanctity of human life that is now a daily occurence in Iraq. Through the televised specatacle of his hanging, he did far more service to iraqi cause than had he died in a shoot-out 3 years ago, with american media giving its own spin to the events of shoot-out. Remember, this media told us that his sons Uday and Qusay were carrying condoms when they died!

There wasnt any video that showed the civilized people of america the true horror of the rape and immolation of a 14 year old iraqi girl at the hands of american liberation army. There wasnt any video of the killing of an entire male population of Fallujah, where dogs feasted on the corpses for days. There arent any videos of the death that reigns in Al-anbar province today.

Saddam, through his diginified death, has shocked and stunned the world. Americans are now distancing themselves from this lynching. Italy is talking about an international ban on death penalty. Whatever little bit of high moral ground the americans and the brits have, Saddam through his incredible grace on gallows, has wrestled it away from them.