Saddam - The Sacrificial Lion

#49 arjun {``yup...the US invasion created the rift between shia and sunni....``}

Arjun,
When it comes to intra-Muslim fratricide, we are on auto pilot. We don`t need the US invasion of Eye Rack, or Indian invasion of East Pakistan to fight each other. In fact, when there are no Shias, our Sunni bros kill each other. In East Pakistan, there were hardly any Shias. So now, here is the pecking order:

1. Kaffirs - the horrible hindoos that Hamidum doesn`t like but for whom he buys cheap booze
2. People of the Book - you guys and Borat
3. Shias -
4. Fellow Sunnis - including Urstruly
5. Fellow tribesmen - all the zais that produced Hamidum - Popal, Yusuf, Achak,
6. Suicide - as in self-elevation to the highest level. :)

#48 by Urstruly on January 2, 2007 10:58am PT


The fact of the matter is that I will lay down my life for the honor of Ali


very niiice...

Re: # 52
Arjun,,, these jokers will sell their mothers to come live in the west, can’t change despotic regimes in their own countries, but are willing to lay down their lives for the honor of some dead guy. I tell you, there is nothing like Islami Jazba.

#48, Urstruly {``The fact of the matter is that I will lay down my life for the honor of Ali (ra) or any ahl-e-bait, just like any Muslim, then why a shia child is raised on the basis of hatred for his fellow Muslim.

...At the time when battle for caliphates were being fought in Arabia my great great grandpa lord Ram was mired in the troubles of his own. The then emperor of sri lanka, had kidnapped grandma. It took long time to recover grandma even though grandpa had help from the chief minister of tamil nado, who happened to be a monkey at that time.``}

Brother Urstruly,
Eid Mubarak and a Happy New Year to you, my good friend. Anybody who can drive Hamidum Sahib to drink (although it doesn`t take much persuasion) is a hero in my own estimation. When such a person can simultaneously expose the hippo in the hypocratic Tahmed, we all benefit. So, all praise and felcitations are due to you and your valiant efforts in leading the jihad against jahils. :)

Now, as for your comment about laying down your life for Imam Ali, I request that you don`t go that far - just resist the temptation to support that rogue Muawiya and his line of Abu Sufyan tadpoles. Besides, we need your life to make Hamidum`s more exciting.

Now, Shia children are not raised in hatred of Sunnis - especially momin ones like you. If you look throughout history, it is the Shias who have been massacred by Sunnis in large numbers - Ottomans in Turkey, Tally Ban in Afghanistan, Sadman Houston in Eye Rack, Soodis in Arabia, and Saladin in Egypt. The only case in the reverse direction is possibly that of Hafiz Assad massacring the Sunni Muslim Brotherhood in Syria. So much for hatred and yes numbers do count.

I am glad that your grandma was recovered. :) So you guys can stop terrorizing Sri Lanka now. It`s been a long, long time.

#40 by masadi on January 2, 2007 10:19am PT


how it destroyed civil society in Iraq


Yup...``civil society`` under a brutal dictatorship is bad if the dictator in question is muslim(and sunni)...but yugoslavia`s civil society being destroyed to give the muslims bosnians or kosovars their freedom is, well, kosher..


and deliberately played one group against the other


yup...the US invasion created the rift between shia and sunni....the sunnis and shias didn`t kill each other under saddam because they just loved each other to death...saddam`s iron fist had nothing to do with it...

kulharee writes <<< Why can’t you admit that it is your filthy faith that has yielded such results. You guys are more worried about who the last prophet is, and what sky Allah lives in, and less about progress and human rights. >>>

I cannot admit something that is untrue. The only thing filthy is your intellect and your morality, of which you have no sense. Those that are worried about differences in theology and make sects based on those are ``no concern of mine``- as the Quran tells me, Allah will decide between them. What I am concerned with is your biased/prejudiced/rank racist assigning of blame based on nonsense evidence and totally absolving the real culprits whose crimes are open books for all to see, covered up by a flimsy shroud of ``progress and human rights``- when they don`t respect either except for their own tiny little group...

kaurasach writes <<< Pawn is a more approriate term for the tinpot dictators of the world who are used to colonize the former colonies. They are remote controls whose buttons are pushed by these European powers. >>>

In this new form of colonization, they don`t need to ``push buttons``. The institutions they have set in place ensure that these ``tinpot dictators``, operate on auto pilot, any glitch in this automatic system is apltly fixed for the sake of ``human rights`` by killing more than the ones they were claiming to save...

Urstruly writes <<< Therefore, contrary to masadis 31, Us population is absolutely responsible for the genocide of 650K Iraqis and maintaining a slaughter house in the occupied Palestine and many attrocities around the globe. With an access to all media including internet to overwhelming majority of the population in US, they cannot be given benefit of doubt. >>>

Your ``thesis`` assumes that the US is a democratic system where people make the choices, the media gives great information, and the internet can be a check on this media if need be. All assumptions are incorrect. The US is not a democracy, the elite that decide are far removed from the people. The people are controlled through polite means using moral symbols of nationalism, and when given proper information they do correct their position as swings in polls often reveal. I do not hold the US public responsible for the Iraq deaths, as a whole, that is because regardless of what they want the US elite would do whatever it saw fit in Iraq, not to mention those that openly opposed the war inspite of the media which is something worthy of respect.

Re: # 45 masadi

You make a compelling case but I think it is also a part of Western propaganda to create a perception around the globe that American people are dummies and puppets and there is an elite group who pulls their strings and media controls their mindset. I think the origin of this propaganda lies in the era of Cold War when Soviets protrayed a capitalist elite as the nemesis who was controlling masses in West. After the collapse of soviet union, the Goebles in Western propaganda machinery just keep perpetuating the myth, since it helps them play innocent at times.

Re: # 50
``I think the origin of this propaganda lies in the era of Cold War when Soviets protrayed a capitalist elite as the nemesis who was controlling masses in West. After the collapse of soviet union, the Goebles in Western propaganda machinery just keep perpetuating the myth, since it helps them play innocent at times. ``


Well stated . But the Goebblean propaganda is coming from those Islamists who are perpetuating the conspiracy theories and reformulating the concept of ``freedom`` as some sort of a Alif Laila mushy romantic story with some demon enslaving the heroine in the golden cage of modern liberal democracy.
These Islamist have rehashed the same old arguments and theses that the Marxists used to splash all over - except that instead of Marxism it is Islamism that would deliver the ``real`` democracy and ``freedom`` to the masses!!

Anglo/America the mighty created him and destroyed him. They have written and dictated the history of Asia since the 17th century. Another pawn died when he became of no use.

Pawn is a more approriate term for the tinpot dictators of the world who are used to colonize the former colonies. They are remote controls whose buttons are pushed by these European powers.

Re: #35 In other words meaningless things that are used by those that want to harm Muslims, even though the Quran warned Muslims that those who break up their deen and become sects are like idolators and you have ``no concern with them``. All this difference and not using your sense and the Quran is what has become the opium of the Muslim masses as they lose all sense of morality and justify slaughter of each other for these ``formulas`` that have no justification in the Quran. That is all the ``theology`` I am willing to discuss

Masadi, it is the same woe is me and blame-displacement mantra that uneducated of your ranks have been spewing from day one. Never to take responsibility but always to find faults some place else. Why can’t you admit that it is your filthy faith that has yielded such results. You guys are more worried about who the last prophet is, and what sky Allah lives in, and less about progress and human rights. George Bushes of the world serve you well. The day your Ummah protests in streets of Cairo and Lahore over suicide Sunni bombers in Iraq, and Palestinian terrorists, Holocaust deniers, your words might resonate with the world, until then, go eat some goat.

#37 arjun writes <<< however, the blame for the 600K dead iraqis, most of whom have been killed in shia-sunni violence, lies on america...that can`t be contested..no siree... >>

You posts progess from stupidity to ignorance, every successive post beats the previous one in being dimwitted. If universities, like the ones that come up with the Iraq dead had conducted those studies and come up with the numbers and not only the victims claiming the numbers killed (a biased source) then there would be little contest in those numbers. That however is not the case.

Regarding the blame of the Iraq dead, these occurred in the post US invasion period when the US was the overlord in Iraq. If Saddam can be held responsible for deaths in his period the blame for the country-wide deaths in the US/US puppet thugs time lies on the US, not to mention that these killings are the direct result of the war and how it destroyed civil society in Iraq and deliberately played one group against the other, and let me remind you that both Shias and Sunnis are going to lose in this game the US is playing...

#38 by masadi on January 2, 2007 10:12am PT

conrade...didn`t you read it in the news...a majority of pakis(and bangladeshis) don`t believe in democracy...which explains why they were dancing when el-presidente heroically, harrison ford style, rescued himself from a hijacking and took over the country....

SC writes <<< Masadi Sahib,
Eid Mubarak and Happy New Year to you, my friend. Now, as for who is to blame, don`t you agree that at some point, we Muslims need to take responsibility over our own environment? >>>

Eid Mubarak and HNY to you as well. You are confusing public issues having to do with social institutions with ``personal`` responsibility. When the institutions of a country are designed to operate in a particular fashion, no `personal responsibility` can achieve anything except personal sacrifice and slaughter. When Muslims become conscious of the true issues that affect their lives more will be able to take `personal responsibility` towards meaningful ends. Right now they are busy with petty differences which are exploited by those that ensure that Muslim instutions do not serve Muslim people but serve the West.

Jang writes <<< Masadi, why should the people and the society not be blamed? the leaders do not come from a vaccum. pakistani leadership in not un-representative, it represents the will of many of its people. >>>

Amazing, now coups and rule by force is defined as ``representative``. The military as an institution has no part in the political but unfortunately in Pakistan it defines the political. You have absolutely no proof that the rule by this military tyrant defines the will of the people of Paksitan. Even in the atmosphere where these people are offered little hope and little choice people reject these tyrants when given the opportunity.