Making a Martyr of Saddam
Karamatullah K Ghori January 3, 2007
#17 Posted by ZahraJ on January 7, 2007 3:56:59 pm
Zeemax - 15 & 16 (the after thought)
Sometimes it`s worth posting the take of a layman since he is more passionate and less hestitant in holding back his true sentiments. That`s the reason this fellow`s comments made their way over here. Your post # 15 is no different from the cab-driver`s views. In fact, you stance is a complete replica. Let`s not forget in a free world, everyone is entitled to her or his views.
Your question could have been included as a survey question on cnn online and other ezines provided you had taken that initiative earlier. I have been away so did not follow-up on all the gory details of his execution. I cannot seem to find the article where Maliki`s stance was posted in detail. His rationale for removing the gone Muslim ruler asap had its own reasoning. Some may believe it was the American pressure, others may not.
I guess in the heat of emotions you made a poor judgement of using the term ``statesman`` for the gone ruler of Iraq. By definition, ``a statesman is someone who exercises political leadership wisely and without narrow partisanship. Also, who is well versed in the principles or art of government.`` You seem to refute your own stance. If his ways were despotic, then that`s not in line with the characteristics and attributes one would imagine a Muslim statesment to uphold. ?
There were several human rights` violations attributed to this gone ruler. That includes many horrific tales of violating fellow Muslim men and women. So, when tears fall left, right and center on American invasion of Iraq and finding a remaining shoe of little Fatima or Yousuf (as shown on Chowk`s front page) then similar resentment should be expressed when a Muslim in power violates a fellow Muslim in any capacity. Ironically, that is covered under the facade of ``despotic manners`` and no accountability. That`s very amusing way of looking at the world that includes both muslims and non-muslims as rulers, leaders, and dictators. This episode is about Iraq and the curse that the whole world is facing because of the on-going turmoil in Iraq. Comparing the situation in Iraq to another country`s making or breaking is not the resolution to this on-going turmoil on Earth.
Happy New Year.
Sometimes it`s worth posting the take of a layman since he is more passionate and less hestitant in holding back his true sentiments. That`s the reason this fellow`s comments made their way over here. Your post # 15 is no different from the cab-driver`s views. In fact, you stance is a complete replica. Let`s not forget in a free world, everyone is entitled to her or his views.
Your question could have been included as a survey question on cnn online and other ezines provided you had taken that initiative earlier. I have been away so did not follow-up on all the gory details of his execution. I cannot seem to find the article where Maliki`s stance was posted in detail. His rationale for removing the gone Muslim ruler asap had its own reasoning. Some may believe it was the American pressure, others may not.
I guess in the heat of emotions you made a poor judgement of using the term ``statesman`` for the gone ruler of Iraq. By definition, ``a statesman is someone who exercises political leadership wisely and without narrow partisanship. Also, who is well versed in the principles or art of government.`` You seem to refute your own stance. If his ways were despotic, then that`s not in line with the characteristics and attributes one would imagine a Muslim statesment to uphold. ?
There were several human rights` violations attributed to this gone ruler. That includes many horrific tales of violating fellow Muslim men and women. So, when tears fall left, right and center on American invasion of Iraq and finding a remaining shoe of little Fatima or Yousuf (as shown on Chowk`s front page) then similar resentment should be expressed when a Muslim in power violates a fellow Muslim in any capacity. Ironically, that is covered under the facade of ``despotic manners`` and no accountability. That`s very amusing way of looking at the world that includes both muslims and non-muslims as rulers, leaders, and dictators. This episode is about Iraq and the curse that the whole world is facing because of the on-going turmoil in Iraq. Comparing the situation in Iraq to another country`s making or breaking is not the resolution to this on-going turmoil on Earth.
Happy New Year.
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#18 Posted by ZahraJ on January 7, 2007 4:06:24 pm
Re: # 14
Zain - I am sorry if you were not able to connect the dots. You need to read things in the right context. I understand when it comes to a Muslim tyrant vs. a non-Muslim tyrant, some fellow Muslims will always highlight the ugliest stuff of the non-Muslim tyrant and will still try to locate some semblance of holiness in the Muslim tyrant. That`s what it all boils down to. There is very little focus on introspection. It`s not about beating our own shortcomings to death . It`s about accepting what is not there and looking into ways to improve. It`s the latter that is completely missing.
Take Care.
Zain - I am sorry if you were not able to connect the dots. You need to read things in the right context. I understand when it comes to a Muslim tyrant vs. a non-Muslim tyrant, some fellow Muslims will always highlight the ugliest stuff of the non-Muslim tyrant and will still try to locate some semblance of holiness in the Muslim tyrant. That`s what it all boils down to. There is very little focus on introspection. It`s not about beating our own shortcomings to death . It`s about accepting what is not there and looking into ways to improve. It`s the latter that is completely missing.
Take Care.
#19 Posted by zeemax on January 8, 2007 12:22:04 am
#17 by ZahraJ
Your view is not uncommon of those who look at the most recent events from a moral standpoint as if history began last Monday, or the one before.
Your highlighted comments i.e. ... ``So, when tears fall left, right and center on American invasion of Iraq and finding a remaining shoe of little Fatima or Yousuf (as shown on Chowk`s front page) then similar resentment should be expressed when a Muslim in power violates a fellow Muslim in any capacity. Ironically, that is covered under the facade of ``despotic manners`` and no accountability.`` ... adequately typify the mindset referred above.
What you forget, however, is that before the american invasion found Muslims in power violating fellow Muslims in Iraq, and decided to lynch Saddam for all those deeds ... it was the Americans who had not only installed Saddam in power but also armed him to the teeth with conventional as well as chemicals directly and indirectly through Europe, had encouraged him to invade Iran, had sustained him in power despite his `violation` of his fellow Muslims, and called his massing of troops at the Kuwait border as his `internal affair`. I am sorry. History did not begin last week.
It is not a question of Muslim/Non-Muslim ruler here. It is the motive behind the lynching that is being questioned. Saddam was lynched for the same reason that Salvadore Allende was found in a gutter. And Allende was neither Muslim, nor despotic ....
Your view is not uncommon of those who look at the most recent events from a moral standpoint as if history began last Monday, or the one before.
Your highlighted comments i.e. ... ``So, when tears fall left, right and center on American invasion of Iraq and finding a remaining shoe of little Fatima or Yousuf (as shown on Chowk`s front page) then similar resentment should be expressed when a Muslim in power violates a fellow Muslim in any capacity. Ironically, that is covered under the facade of ``despotic manners`` and no accountability.`` ... adequately typify the mindset referred above.
What you forget, however, is that before the american invasion found Muslims in power violating fellow Muslims in Iraq, and decided to lynch Saddam for all those deeds ... it was the Americans who had not only installed Saddam in power but also armed him to the teeth with conventional as well as chemicals directly and indirectly through Europe, had encouraged him to invade Iran, had sustained him in power despite his `violation` of his fellow Muslims, and called his massing of troops at the Kuwait border as his `internal affair`. I am sorry. History did not begin last week.
It is not a question of Muslim/Non-Muslim ruler here. It is the motive behind the lynching that is being questioned. Saddam was lynched for the same reason that Salvadore Allende was found in a gutter. And Allende was neither Muslim, nor despotic ....
#20 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on January 8, 2007 11:12:11 am
ZahraJ`s rhetoric smacks of sectarian violence. :)
As a Shia, I don`t feel the urgency or importance of siding with Maleki just because he is a Shia or hating Sadman Houston just because he was a Sunni. Vive le difference.
As a Shia, I don`t feel the urgency or importance of siding with Maleki just because he is a Shia or hating Sadman Houston just because he was a Sunni. Vive le difference.
#21 Posted by ZahraJ on January 10, 2007 11:43:04 pm
Re: # 19
Zeemax - I am sorry your rationale lacks something. Somehow I think you know what it is. I had expected you to be fair and insightful. Despite a practical approach towards life, I am guilty of nurturing some staunch idealistic beliefs. And those beliefs make me wonder why some Muslim rulers are so easily exploited by non-Muslims. Is it something to do with the inner corruption? Or is it the bad external influence ? Probably, both. If your inside is rightly aligned, then no external influence can make you stumble.
Zeemax - I am sorry your rationale lacks something. Somehow I think you know what it is. I had expected you to be fair and insightful. Despite a practical approach towards life, I am guilty of nurturing some staunch idealistic beliefs. And those beliefs make me wonder why some Muslim rulers are so easily exploited by non-Muslims. Is it something to do with the inner corruption? Or is it the bad external influence ? Probably, both. If your inside is rightly aligned, then no external influence can make you stumble.
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