Last Gasp of the Imperial Misadventure

Re: # 24

Yep, USA is same as USSR... your pearls of wisdom are simply out of this world :)

Re: # 24

Thank you SR. I don`t think anyone has any doubts in their mind that a minute faceless elite group runs the country with an illusion of democracy and all. Frankly, if one to think on academic basis, how a country can be called democratic when only half of the ``voting age`` population votes and the winning candidate gets little over even half of that. I am seriously beggining to have doubts on election or vote as a vehicle to achieve ``rule by the people and for the people``. and it is not just US, it is accross the board. The Musharaf phenomenon can be taken as the pig-without-the-lipstick aspect of this illusion. What do you think.

#26 So the US is run by a faceless elite. even if one accepted your bs, you are in no position to talk about democracy - given that you are always quoting from the ``shariah``, which is the antithesis of the popular vote.

You are a Pakistani, and you call the Pakistan army ``napak`` for going after those who would impose their rule on Pakistanis - i.e. the islamist terrorists.

You live in the US, and you are always defending those who killed thousands of innocent people in the US on 9/11.

You spout democracy from one side of your mouth, and sharia from the other side of your mouth.

#21 by zeemax on January 24, 2007 6:44am PT


hello peemax..I`m sure they whacked a bunch of your jihadi buddies...if your jihadi brothers were winning, kashmir would have banega`ed pakiland by now, wouldn`t it have....

Re: # 27

The fact of the matter is that US is committing horrendous acts of genocide in many parts of the world and destroying countries after countries and nation after nation in the name of democracy. So it is only fair to put this biitch to scrutiny and examine it from inside out. Had Americans kept their democracy to themselves then probably no one would have given a shit.

US tax payer, Indian billionaire arjun!!

at least you are like an amreekan neocon that you like to present yourself as in one way - your attempts to link kashmir to islamist terrorists are as pathetic as attempts of the neocons a few years ago to link iraq to islamist terrorists.

#29 urstruly - thats much better: you dropped your pretense of being in favor of democracy.

The US is guilty as charged in being the foremost nation to bring an end to the Divine Right of Kings and to replace it by We, the People!!

Specific misdemeanors include:

inspiring the french revolution and, when that became a dictatorship, inspiring the french to a second revolution in 1848 which finally put france on the path to democracy.

inspiring the brits to stay the course on democracy. nd from them the indians.

moving japan and germany into democracy after after world war ii.

inspiring the chinese to democracy - with the statue of liberty replica being used by the crowds in beijing.

You have a problem with all this? What do you want instead? for mullah dow-piaza to become the Divinely Authorized Khalifa of Pakistan?

#30 by tahmed32 on January 24, 2007 12:22pm PT


your attempts to link kashmir to islamist terrorists


so the ``moderate`` paki prophet tahmed lets his veil drop...the jihadis in kashmir aren`t islamic terrorists according to him..

gee..wonder why LeT and JeM etc have been linked to Al-Queada by the US...

Re: # 31

I do not have time to react to slogans. Thanks for your input.

I thought Mullah32 was gung-ho about the war in iraq - I remember him battling other pakis in the mudpit over this... now he is blaming it on the neo-cons?... :)

#33 Urstruly: Those are historical facts. Dont hide from facts by calling them slogans.

What are slogans is your calling for democracy from one side of your mouth while talking about shariah from the other - the moment you dropped that slogan of democracy after I brought this to your attention...you obviously have no choice but to avoid further discussion - since all you have left is your hollow slogans of ``shariah`` and your hollow berating of the US.

#32 arjun: Did i refer to the jihadis? do i have to treat your inability to read english as well as your rabid hallucinations?

2001 was the first state of the union address by Bush. Each year after that things became progressively worse. But at the time of 2002, 2003, 2004 state of the union speeches, americans still earnestly believed that their commander in chief was not a pathalogically lying thug. They gave him a free hand to play on their fears.....and play he did!

Lets take a look at who was ``showcased`` in his speeches of those good old days:

2002 Union speech - A jubilant Bush showcased a newly liberated afghan woman. There was that puppet Hamid Karzai in his night gown sitting in the chamber as well, thanking Americans for promoting him from an oil executive to afghan president.......actually thanking Americans for liberating Afghanistan.

2003 Speech - There was that convicted felon turned Iraqi president-in-waiting Ahmed Chalabi sitting in First Lady’s chamber, looking somber and serious as Bush told us how Iraqis were begging to be liberated, with flowers in their hands.

2004- A jubilant Bush told an ovation loving congress that Iraq was liberated. Bush could hardly speak 2 sentence without this rubber stamp congress standing on its feet and applauding......

2005 - In what now looks like the most comical moment of his state of the union speeches, an Iraqi woman was flown from Baghdad......and on cue she stood up to wave her purple stained finger (anyone remembers the purple revolution so hyped by bush admin?) to prove to americans that she had just voted in Iraqi elections (Did anyone read the news in NY Times today stating that most of Iraqi parliamentarians today are actually living in Europe and other parts of middle east?)

Those certainly were the days!

tahmad #31: ``The US is guilty as charged in being the foremost nation to bring an end to the Divine Right of Kings and to replace it by We, the People!!``

..following is a portion of the list of countries whose kings and dictators that the usa has supported and/or continues to support.....

iran (shah)
pakistan
jordan
egypt
saudi arabia
oman
uae
bahrain
qatar
iraq (during saddam`s earlier days)
morroco
most of the central asian stans
venezuela
argentina
nicaragua
....

the list is too long to print here........the general criteria has been to support who is pro-usa....not who is pro-democracy....

#38 What you say is true. But what is also true (and point 2 below completely negates your implication that the US supports dictatorships/kings) is...

1. the long history of the US inspiring democracy around the world that I summarized below is equally true.

2. the US has much warmer relations with democracies today than it does with dictatorships/kingships. Thus, the US has much warmer relations with England, Western Europe, and even more so Eastern Europe, Japan, Australia, and increasingly India than it does with iran, jordan, egypt, or even pakistan.

Both this points are of fundamental relevance to the question of the US role in promoting democracy around the world. And yet....these points never cross the mind of the US haters in muslim countries.

Re: # 38

USA has opposed a lot of non-communist military dictators - it has failed in removing some of them.

Burma
Musharraf before 9/11
Algeria
Ethiopia