This Really Gets My Goat

how`s this for a radical idea: STOP SUPPORTING THE TALIBAN FOR YOUR STRATEGIC INTERESTS..

if you stop doing that, you won`t need landmines...

I hate fauji mafia in Pakistan more than anything and with each breath I send laa`nat on these coward thugs, but I must give credit where it is due. I totally support sealing the Pak-Afghan border with minefield, walls, and fences. There must be absoluely no traffic-human or otherwise - on this border-except at designated checkpoints. There are several reasons for this support:

1. As the American empire will collpase, as the process has already begun, we must save ourselves from going down along with Titanic. There is no doubt in anyone`s mind that Nato and Americans have failed in Afghanistan and it is just matter of time when they will leave. It is also written on the wall that a horrible civil war and ethnic cleansing is bound to happen after colonialists leave. We must protect ourselves first.

2. The CIA and NATO funds its military operations by growing and selling opium in the area. A lot of rich americans and westerners are definitly involved in the supply chain, including Pakistani generals; but Pakistani generals must think first about the integrity and safety of their own mafia organisation first, forget about the dogs and cows named pakistani citizens. Therefore, colonialists are working on two conflicting goals at the same time to make as much money as they can before they leave. hence the opposition to the wall. A lot of gun runners, both Western and local are also making a lot of money while they can. Add that to the equation.

3. The ``accusations`` of Pakistan not doing enough are very calculated and they are being done for certain reasons. Come to think of it, what more you can expect fauji cowards, traitors, and a-holes; they are already bombing their own citizens with laser guided missiles and chemical weapons; what more can these leeches do to their citizens? This brings us to the conclusion that Western colonialists want to keep their options about Pakistan open; i.e. upon their failure they could put all their blame on Pakistan and even attack it like Iraq. If 60 years of history is any lesson - the lesson is that Americans and West cannot be trusted.

4. The people whgo are opposing the construction of minefield are the very people who were opposing Pakistan`s nuclear program. After seeing what has happened to Iraq, it is not that they have learnt their lesson, but the reason that they are quite now is because they do not have moral leg to stand on.

I think this is right step towards Paksitan First.

The last sentence in my post should be read as:

I think this is right step towards the slogan of Paksitan (Army) First.

Re: # 2
[...I think this is right step towards Paksitan First...]

Too late... Too late for you to walk away from ``Ummah First``... You are the ones who wanted ``strategic depth`` with ``brotherly`` muslims country and toiled hard for decades to achieve that goal... now that the strategic depth is here[only the ``depth`` is in the other direction], you don;t want it no more?...

You can`t mine and fence off people from another ``brotherly`` muslims country... besides, pashtuns won`t go for it, they have claims to both sides of the ``border``... in fact, for them, there is no border...

Pakistan First is an empty slogan, nobody believes in it, pakistan was never first in scheme of things...

She carefully looks out of that hiding place, puts away that target sign, appraises if it is safe to venture out and finally decides to take a chance!

The pacifist raises her head again!

Gotcha!

Everything you say about the devastation caused by the landmines is true. But are you suggesting any alternatives? Innocents are always the most-affected victims in any kind of conflict.

Are you a vegetarian?! If not, then no matter how much the procurement process be “hidden-from-the-eye”, somewhere out there, there is a goat, or a chicken, or a cow whose flesh has your name written on it. One can become a vegetarian – like Gandhi was – or be like a Jinnah – in which case the least one gobbles up is a few binges of pork along with a few bottles of red wine (not to mention the very red blood of millions of innocents) without uttering a burp or a “gasp”!

Therefore, are you a vegetarian? More important, are your CHILDREN vegetarian? If not, then it is all amounts to only ration per bhashan, well-intentioned though it is!

Re: # 4

Mr. Blimp: I think it is daal and sabji in lunch that made you light-headed. I said the correct slogan is ``Pakistan Army First``. My point is that army needs a country to rule; therefore, their own safety and integrity depends on it. On the issue of wall I think army`s own interests and that of Pakistan converge.

Re: # 6

Hey - who are accusing of ``dal and sabji``?... I can eat you entirely, alive, if I have to... :)

Now, all I am saying is - it doesn`t matter whose interest it is, or who is ``first``, army first or paki first.... you just can`t have the fence... you just don`t have the strength or guts to build it...

Re: # 7

I am not very sure about building the wall either. Given the history, Army will probably adopt the solution that would hurt Pakistan the most. I think your interests are covered regardless.

Re: # 8

yeah, our interests are in much better shape... but you know, our interests and your interests doesn`t have to collide... if you get your collective heads out of your a$$es, and apply some common sense, you will see that... for example - getting rid of taliban and destructive jihad is as much in your interests as it is for ours...

of course, you don`t see it that way... which is why you guys head into all sorts of troubles... Also - even though you blame the whole thing on army, you regular pakis are equally to blame... I mean, everybody was onboard when this ``strategic depth`` blunder was being carried out...

Shandana has taken Princess Diana’s cause celeb. Kashmir is land-mined, what’s such a big harm in land-mining the western border too? In 2006 there were around 200 Kashmiri casualties due to landmines, which is the same as 200 people killed in Shia Sunni violence in Karachi last year. I say, landmine Karachi too. Once people realize a place is land-mined, it stops a lot mischief. Given the current environment of resurgence in Taliban cross border activity, land-mining the border areas is the best thing that can happen to protect lives on both sides of the border.

Once the conflicts are over, landmines can be removed, as they are always mapped by those who place them.

Re: # 9

I am pretty sure you know that the minute colonialists will send a signal for their departure, what will happen to Indians in Afghanistan, right? So I would suggest you worry about your asses first. As far as Taliban are concerned, they have become an independent phenomenon. As a matter of fact Taliban ARE the Afghanistan now, whether we like it or not.

Re: # 10

Last year, in Pakistan, over 600 people were killed in terrorist attacks (not including Armed forces or terrorists). The 200 figure above in for those killed in sectarian violence.

#11 by Urstruly on January 22, 2007 12:21pm PT



`Friendly fire` death in Pakistan

Pakistan has tens of thousands of troops in the border area
Pakistan says US-led coalition forces in Afghanistan have mistakenly(umm...sure..) killed one of its soldiers at a border post.
Two other soldiers were wounded when coalition forces opened fire in the Shawal area of North Waziristan region, a Pakistan military statement said.

It said a ``strong protest`` had been lodged with the coalition, which said it was investigating the incident.

Earlier, at least three Pakistani security personnel were killed in a roadside bombing in North Waziristan.

`Inside Afghanistan`

The BBC`s Haroon Rashid in Peshawar says coalition forces have in the past violated Pakistani air space, but this would be the first time Pakistani troops have been killed.

Re: # 11

we always worry about our a$$es first and everything else after that... don`t you worry about that... :)

taliban is NOT independent... taliban is fully dependent on paki army...

Maybe you should tie the goat indoors.

#7 Mohar

[I can eat you entirely, alive]

Sure, you can eat him alive.

But can you digest him?!

Can he pass through your system?!

Or will he merely blow up - taking you with him. The track record is VERY one-sided.