Punjab: The Land of Five Rivers

Can anyone guide me to a source: book or a web site which lists the notable men and women Punjab has produced.
Generally it appears that Punjab in comparison (area and population) has produced more notables then any other state of similar size in the subcontinent, close matches would be Bengal or UP.
My knowledge of Punjab history and especially of other states is sketchy.
Help and guidance will be appreciated.

#36 by Urstruly on January 22, 2007 11:25am PT
Re: # 31
drlokraj

My information about the picture is also from a sikh website, which tells a slightly different acoount. Anyway thanks for the information.

Interesting to know that there are sikhs who dont know their own history!
Can you post the link for that website?

nazarhayatkhan:

``Presently, a team of 5 archeologist is visiting India to import gods to inhabitate the seven archeological sites in the Katas Raj area.``

Thanks for the good news. [One would have thought, though, that with a large Hindu population in Sindh, they would not need to go to India for statues]

BTW, are you still in Sri Lanka?

To all Indian Punjabis --

talk to your older generation people. They will fondly recall the phrase
``Jin Lahore naheen vekhyaa, oh janmyaa ee naheen``...

Another beutiful place worthy of mention is the hydro-works at Panjnad. Anyone been there?

Ranjit #44

Just look at people like .... zeemax, they would not hesitate to personally dispatch you to the afterworld, simply because of your religion. ``

Ranjit Bhai, please believe me I have no such intention ... :-)

Re: # 30
Is there one can see such pictures of long gonr time, they are evocative.
I will real like see such old pictures. Some good pictures of long gone era can be found in Winton Churchill work ``history of english speaking people``

Re: # 53
Let me explain what I mean. That liberating sublime ethos , sublimation, let live and let live and finding middle ground ( Buddhist ethos or millue whatever one can say)is not found in modern punjab or nonviolence or middle ground. In astonishing efficiency and killing all Punjabi`s purified their areas and and largest demographic change took place in short time. There is still not sympthy or emphathy for what they did to humans. They all justify for all reasons. There is no repentence or real sad feeling . That is reason I said they are very practical people, get over and start again is strength.

Dost Mitter

Since last time you visited Katas Raj, the place has undergone a renovation. This renovation has been done with technical assisstance from India. Finally, there seems to be some change of heart in the Punjabis here to look after the ancient heritage.

Presently, a team of 5 archeologist is visiting India to import gods to inhabitate the seven archeological sites in the Katas Raj area.

nhk

I hope writer will write about Punjab in last 100 years it will be more interesting . As many people have wrong Idea about Punjabi people as Agricultural and Sepoy people with hardworking ethics. I do not understand what is connection left between long past Buddhist time as people either follow Muslim , sikh or hindu religion. There may be under current but its hard to fathom if you look at typical Punjabi Munda. Punjabis are like americans of southeast asia in subcontinet with good qualities and propertise.

Re: # 49
Mr. K similarity is specially good in numbers one to ten.( ITs amazing for uninformed while its so natural who can think of migration of people and scientic things) Arab claim they invented numerals then persians copied then indians/Pakistanies copied, keep in mind noth south and or west east direction many( not all) large asian rivers river.
The indogermanic language have speciality of changing verb form with according to gender and tense also in classical sense any word can be placed at most places in sentence all this makes more difficult and one has to remember lot.
Incidently russian kind of follows similar grammer. Instead of words I look to grammer to find roots then German and Sanskrut grammer is ``SAME`` russian is similar. Many people gravitate to see language similar if words are similar that is wrong way, the DNA of language is GRAMMER not words. I have reasonable reading capacity in German and russian and this noted long back and due to Grammer DNA imprints. ( Hindi and URDU Grammer is same , though people are of different race)
Have good day.

Re: # 6
The author did not bother to to do any independent reading of history here.
Recently Razi Azmi the Dailytimes colomnist wrote that ``writing history in Pakistan is history`` few years ago, prof. Ayesha Jalal , a McArthur Foundation scholar and Prof of Indian History at Tuft lamented that in Pakistan there no more historians but only idealogues!

K.K.Aziz a esteemed and reputrable Pakistani historian wrote a book called ,``Murder of History`` in Pakistan. His observations after so many books in Pak School sytem showed selective, distorted and falsified history fed down the throats of young people . All done in the interest of promoting Two Nation Theory and intensely nationallistic in nature.

Oh well what can you do?

Kamath

BTW: similar things have been attempted by BJP in India too!

Re: # 47

BTW I am sure you perhaps know that the word Rajput comes from the word Raja-Putra- a Sanskrit word- which means son of Raja - a prince!

The word Raja has equivalence to word Regis in Latin which again means King etc.

Kamath

Re: # 16
Sceptical:
I have studied the history of Indo-Iranian branch of family of the Indo-European languages. Interestingly once I read the comparison of an old hymn in old Persian against and its translation to old Sanskrit. They are so close! eg; Arya -mehr vs Arya xxxx etc. The word aap i also means water in Afghani langauge!

Just a musing here! Perhaps Persians are the only people who did not loose their langauge to Arabic after Muslim invasions of Persia which-perhaps prevented catstropic loss of Persian langauge, history, soul and its quintessence. Thanks to Allah!

Just imagine what happened to langauge of the Copts and others in the Middle Eastern people. All was wiped out and replaced by Arabic.. Unfortunately, great deal of Persian language today I am told - is Arabized. What a pity!

Kamath

#43 {``salim bhai
dukhti ragh pay haaTh mat rakho
The area was called `Saptsindhu` before the name `Punjab` came into existence.``}

Hakeem Sahib,
My apologies for inadvertently sprinkling salt your wounds. :) The tragedy of Punjab is a subset of the greater tragedy of the ripping apart of Hindustan. :( Let`s solve the bigger problem and the smaller mistakes will obviously correct themselves - Kashmir, Punjab, Pandits, Bangladesh, oppression of Ahmedis, ...


You are right about Saptsindhu. Also, not too long ago there was a ``Doab,`` the area of UP between Ganga and Jamna.

Ranjit #44 {``Sirjee, I understand your pain but it is time for us Indians to stop looking at the other side of the border. .... Just look at people like urstruly or zeemax, who are punjabi muslims and rajputs at that. Yet they would not hesitate to personally dispatch you to the afterworld, simply because of your religion. ``}

Ranjit Bhai,
I disagree with you vehemently. Yes, the harsh reality of partition is there - today. Yes, there have been several wars and a lot of bloodshed between the two. There have been more wars and even more bloodshed between Muslims of the two main sects. Just look at the Shia/Sunni fratricide in Iraq, the Sunni/Sunni bloodletting in East Pakistan/Bangladesh, the Sunni/Sunni genocide in Darfur, and now Somalia. So, please don`t write off your brethren by race, by language, by custom, and most importantly by a shared heritage just on the basis of religion. Muslims have killed Hindus, Hindus have killed Sikhs, and Sikhs have killed Muslims, and then each has killed the other two and worse, each has also killed many sharing the same religion.

As a Pakistani Rajput, I have nothing but love and affection for my brethren across the border - Hindu, Sikh, Muslim, and Christian. Long live the land we all love as Hindustan.