Punjab: The Land of Five Rivers

article seems like something out of a cheap Paki promo mag that you see lying round some travel agents in PK...

Punjab is nice in the spring when you see green fields and orange orchards in full bloom... all other times of year it is horrible to be in... winter is too cold and summer is too hot... only say cause i have been there then and know the score... khair fer vi Punjab is pretty...

jindey ravo

PS

Its stupid to say one religion`s women followers are pretty... if you have three Punjabi Jutt women, one a Sikh one a Muslim, and one a Hindu, how can you say one is prettier than the other cause she is Muslim/Sikh/Hindu when in fact they are the same race who happen to follow a different religion!!!

the sooner we get rid of these myths the better!!!!

Article is informational type and I don`t think the author tried to make any political point by mentioning something or not mentioning something. Although pakistanis generally start their history with advent of Islam, signs of preislamic and inbetween histories is all around us. Lahore museum is a good example. it has good amount of pre-vedic, pre-islamic, budhist, sikh and british colonial era pieces.
as for boundaries of Punjab...some people think name is punj do-aabs meaning 5 regions between the rivers starting with Sindh river.

Re:drlokraj

Sirjee, I understand your pain but it is time for us Indians to stop looking at the other side of the border. It is an alien land inhabited by alien people who want nothing to do with us. That is the harsh reality, cruel as it may sound. Yes, there are superficial similarities but putting that aside, those people would get tremendous pleasure and satisfaction from killing you and your kids, if they ever got the chance. Just look at people like urstruly or zeemax, who are punjabi muslims and rajputs at that. Yet they would not hesitate to personally dispatch you to the afterworld, simply because of your religion.

The reality is that what happened to our west is a testimonial about the total defeat of hinduism in those lands. We did not protect what we had received from our forefathers. We did not robustly compete with the new faith and prevent mass conversions from day 1. We did not try to lure the recent converts back to hinduism. We did not try to unite with our fellow co-religion followers across north india to defend our faith. We did not even try to understand the robust nature of our competition. In other words, we did not put up a fight in the theological or practical space. Why was that? Because we DID NOT CARE. We did not care about our land, our religion, our people and our way of life. As a result, we lost all of it. Now what is the point of sobbing and crying about it? We are like the Palestinians who look at Jerusalem, Tel Aviv and Haifa and cry at night, wishing that their forefathers and fought to the last person before losing it. Similarly we look at Lahore and Karachi and cry about it, totally impotent to do anything anymore.

The only realistic thing to do is to learn a lesson for the future and not repeat that mistake again. I dont think we hindus have still learnt the lesson, based on how lackadaisically we take India for granted. As late as the 1990s, the Kashmiri pandits got kicked out of Kashmir and are rotting in refugee camps, while they daydream about Srinagar. Even today, the demographics are changing in our border areas, especially in Bengal. While I am not advocating communalism or negating secularism, I do wish that we recognize that India is the last best hope for hindus and zealously guard it. If we lose it, we will lose everything.

#39,42

salim bhai

dukhti ragh pay haaTh mat rakho

The area was called `Saptsindhu` before the name `Punjab` came into existence.

As for East Punjab, all I can say is that Punjab without Lahore is like:

UP without Lucknow
Bengal without Calcutta
Maharashtra without Mumbai
Agra without the Taj
Kashmir without the Vale
England without London
Brazil without Rio
Italy without Rome
Palestine without Jerusalem
Turkey without Istanbul
Hilton without Paris

#39, {``anybody has any photos of the afore-mentioned paki beauties, who supposedly in live in the narrow streets in Rawalpindi?... ``}

Mohar Bhayya,
Before you ask me to expand on the ``clearance`` issue, let me just say that Punjab is also the food basket of the subcontinent. :)

Mohar #37 {``anybody has any photos of the afore-mentioned paki beauties, who supposedly in live in the narrow streets in Rawalpindi?... ``}

Moohar Bhayya,
The beauties are secluded in the narrow streets because of a clearance issue. :)

Nadeem,
Thank you for sharing this interesting article about what to see in Punjab. Yes, Punjab is truly blessed with rivers and mountains and historical sites. Punjab is incomplete without Amritsar, Panipat, Sirhind, Simla, and other places in the east. Sutlej and Beas are definitely two of the fiver rivers - Jhelum, Chenab, and Ravi being the other three. Counting the Indus as one of the five is not historically correct. In ancient times, there may have been a land of 7 rivers - when you count Ganga and Yamuna also. :) Also, from a modern perspective one cannot ignore Jullundur, Patiala, Ambala, and Ferozpore.

Any time you break something in half, you are left with only half the beauty, half the value, half the power, and half the effect.

#4 {``Kalar Kahar was probably formed less than 15 million years ago (not 600 million!!) ``}

One thing this guy really knows something about is old age. I guess he was right there witnessing the formation of Kalar Kahar.

Re: # 23

we keep hearing about the ``most beautiful girls of pakistan``... but never seen any, not even photos... anybody has any photos of the afore-mentioned paki beauties, who supposedly in live in the narrow streets in Rawalpindi?... :)

Re: # 31
drlokraj

My information about the picture is also from a sikh website, which tells a slightly different acoount. Anyway thanks for the information.

Re: # 34

During that time, when I was growing up, it was hard for me to imagine that sikhs once lived among us. Until my teenage years when I saw the first live sikh on the mountain, the only sikh I knew was my great aunt. Legend had it that she elopped with the Colonel Sahib- my great uncle when he was stationed in Amritsar. What an elegant woman she was - at 75 or 80 when I saw her she seemed to be made out of flour dough; with her hair absolutely white as snowhite and an imported havana cigar in her hand she looked like Queen Elizabeth.

Urstruly#30:

The sikhnis your relatives talked about were from the same area; the sikhnis you saw could be from anywhere in Punjab or other parts of India. So, your relaitves may not have been wrong.

``This article is about ``The Land of Five Rivers``, which is Western Punjab, which is in Pakistan.

Sorry.``

Zeemax got a compartment in his Metric geography exam. Sutlej and Beas are in east Punjab.

The article was not bd at all, too bad the Author did not mention the village of Bhaun which has given birth to many famous and notable people..MS Oberoi of Oberoi hotels is from Bhaun.

Punjab (pre `47)

#30

Sikhs were not protesting for cutting wood or anything like that. If you look at the painting, there are lot of utensils etc. Actually, this train carried group of sikhs led by newly formed SGPC (Shiromani Gurudwra Prabandhak Committe) who were going to protest against the British backed mahant of the gurudwara Nankana Sahib and many local sikhs gathered at Hasan Abdal with langar for the travelling sikhs. The local govt. refused stop the train. It was then that the local sikhs decided to stop the train by all means and they decided to lay on the tracks. The train stopped after passing over some. This was the first major incident which occured during the gurudwara reforms movement. 120 of the pilgrim agitators were slain within the premises of the gurudwara with the support of the goons of the mahant (Sewa Das)provided by the british govt.