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Punjab: The Land of Five Rivers

Nadeem Alam January 21, 2007

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#14 Posted by zeemax on January 22, 2007 4:57:23 am
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#13 Posted by aquaris on January 22, 2007 4:42:39 am


This topic has alreay being touched a number of times., on the chowk itself


http://www.chowk.com/show_article.cgi?aid=00004056&channel=gulberg&start=0&end=9&chapter=1&page=1


A tale of five reivers by Nazar Hayat Khan , being among the bests.

and another related article

http://www.chowk.com/show_article.cgi?aid=00002813&channel=gulberg&start=0&end=9&chapter=1&page=1


Punjabi Heros that history forgot

again by Nazar Hyat khan being another.


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#12 Posted by zeemax on January 22, 2007 4:00:05 am
#11 by uba

Which of the 5 rivers flow (or flowed before the treaty) through East Punjab?
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#11 Posted by uba on January 22, 2007 3:32:58 am
Zeemax,

Indus Waters Treaty has neatly divided the rivers of Punjab, with 3 rivers being alloted to Indian Punjab. Also all the 5 rivers , flow thru india as well.

In that case, change the title of the article to ``West Punjab``-the land thru which 5 indian rivers flow.
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#10 Posted by zeemax on January 22, 2007 2:42:06 am
#6 by drlokraj

drlokraj, (and others who have protested)

This article is about ``The Land of Five Rivers``, which is Western Punjab, which is in Pakistan.

Sorry.
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#9 Posted by aquaris on January 22, 2007 2:38:23 am


the article is a bit sketchy....


probably a copy paste JOB , from a tourism boruchere that too of Pakistan.

and appears more like a half hearted attempt.



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#8 Posted by devkant on January 22, 2007 1:08:17 am
the author conveniently left out indian punjab.

rgds,

devkant.
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#7 Posted by drlokraj on January 22, 2007 12:57:57 am
#2
scout

you seem to have some deep,unresolved issues with someone from Punjab which always makes you see `aab` as `aib`. Is this a cognitive distortion or a perceptual distortion?
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#6 Posted by drlokraj on January 22, 2007 12:54:02 am
To come across anything written on Punjab is an emotional matter for me (and many more I believe) henece, no matter what, I will compliment the writer, but would like to comment on certain aspects:

- This article tells us only about West Punjab or Punjab on the Pakistan side, hence the title misleads. Punjab is also spread on the other side of the border - East Punjab or Indian Punjab which was further divided in 1966 to carve out Haryana and Himachal Pradesh out of it.

- The information is very very sketchy as if taken directly from some tourism book

- Budha did not attain enlightenment at Texila.

- I know it is not easy to do justice to history in such a small and sketchy aricle, but even then when you are touching some parts of history you are ignoring the most important facts like the place being first to confront most invasions into the subcontinent, the rise of Maharaja Ranjit Singh and Sikh Raj, the fact that Punjab was the last part of Indian subcontinent to be annexed to British India and then the parttion of 1947.

- Lahore has history which goes well before Ghaznavi and there is life beyond Islamic invasion and mughal reign. In fact, till 1947, Lahore was a hindu dominated city.

- Lahore was the most important cultural hub of pre 1947 India and also the most important centre of freedom struggle.

- nothing has been said about folk heros of Punjab likePuran Bhagat, Dulla Bhatti..... and the `lovers` mentioned here are `legendary` because of the people who wrote their tales ( Waris, Peelu and Hashim)
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#5 Posted by nazarhayatkhan on January 21, 2007 9:52:56 pm
Dear Alam

You have missed two important pieces of information.

When the Indus Valley Civilization vanished, it was replced by the Vedic civilization. The beginning of the vedas - and of Dharma - now called Hinduism.

Taxila or Taksheela is the place of origin of Mahayana Buddism which spread to China, Bhutan, Burma, Thailand etc. Mahayana Buddhism is a liberal version of the original Thervada Buddism followed in Sri Lanka.

Katas Raj is far more significant than what you have mentioned. It is linked to the Kauravas and Pandavas story of Mahabharta etc etc. Some one can throw more light on this subject.

So Punjab has origins of three great religions:

Hinduism, Mahayana Buddhism and Sikhism.

The Punjab Tourist Development Corporation needs to study a bit more of ancient history.

nhk
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#4 Posted by tahmed32 on January 21, 2007 9:22:49 pm
Interesting write up. Kalar Kahar was probably formed less than 15 million years ago (not 600 million!!) as remnant of the ancient ocean you refer to - the Black Sea, Caspian Sea and Aral Sea being other, much bigger remnants of that ocean. 600 million years ago was what is referred to as the pre-Cambrian era when even that ancient ocean (the Tethys Ocean) had not yet even formed - what existed where Pakistan is now was also water, but forming what is known as the Panthassalic Ocean.

So, Kalar Kahar is the descendant of a distinguished family of oceans. A khandani lake. :-)
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#3 Posted by Kamath on January 21, 2007 7:59:22 pm
Re: # 2

The author here is right. The word comes from old Sanskrit where Pancha= five and Apa means water. Hence Five waters or Rivers.
kam
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#2 Posted by scout_new on January 21, 2007 3:53:19 pm
i always thought punjab means punj (five) ab (khamiyan)
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#1 Posted by Urstruly on January 21, 2007 2:18:40 pm

I sugget that the title for Rawalpindi should be be replaced from ``Rawalpindi _Base camp to Adventure`` to ``Rawalpindi - The Base Camp for Coup d`etats``. Or if you really want to make some people happy change the title to ``Rawalpindi - A land of No Pharmacies``
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