Why Assam to be Asom?

#29 all this from those who have rejected everything of their heritage.

#24 kaalchakra: so the lasting solution may lie in disabling people`s strong and separate identifications with divisive aspects of history.

Good point. british raj is much a part of the subcontinent`s heritage as any other time - whether it is mughal, delhi sultanate and co, the various kingdoms and entire civilizations before that. the city of taxila alone has several layers to it - most notably the greco-buddhist (or gandhara) layer and buddhist period before that. these are all part of a common heritage that needs to be preserved.

It is only the petty minded who destroy what came before them - one of the worst damages done being by a single catholic priest who around the 16th century i think burnt all the burnable manuscripts of the mayan period in central america. or his brother priests who used bricks from the aztec city ot tenochtitlan to build churches, and so mexico city now sits on the rubble of tenochtitlan.

In Pakistan, Lyallpur was founded around 1890 after a visit to the site which was basically a wilderness at the time by the local Deputy Commissioner, and thrived on the chenab canal also built during the british period. It was named Lyallpur after the british governor or Panjab. The name became part of the pakistan`s heritage. What was accomplished by changing it to Faisalabad in 1977 (under Bhutto I think, not under zia) I dont know - he was ousted the same year by Zia and hanged a couple of years later. Zia fared no better - his name is mud as far as Pakistan`s history is concerned.

Re: # 29
Thanks for explaining in details.
ZAB had habit of pleasing others without spending money. He made happy KSA by naming major city after King FaZal and gave stadium name of Leader of Libiya.
When he was slaughtered both nations could have saved him if they would have decided. But Zia was smart he executed fast ( Faster than S.H of Iraq) with no time for intervention by brotherly countries ( ZAB was very respected figure in Arab world)

all kannadigas i met (outside) call it baaaynglaur

Re: # 27
Was Banglore part of Nizam state ?

Re: # 33

Nizam who?...

Re: # 35
Nizam ruled that peacful state from 1707 to 1948. India will go for that long is question ? do not tell me I know pakistan lasted for quarter century. He was the richest man of world and had tons of gold, diamonds and what not. He gave lots of money to good causes. Also this family with help of English and marathas finished Tipu Sultan as he was troubling Nizam and raiding Nizam areas. He was generous to new state of Pakistan and QAMA Jinnah had gratitude and respect for him. Unfortunately as soon as Gandhi and QAMA Jinnah died democratic Nehru inveded and arrested HH NIZAM and looted his treasury. Today if I am correct his descendent is very very super rich man with investments in sheeps for wool in Australia. I am sure nehru and patel must have stolen lots of jewels and now belonging to Mrs Soniyaji Gandhiji. All theves. May some good international lowyers need to sue GOI and bring back real legal rulers of hyderbad. All his palaces are used by ordinary office clearks with govt Kachheris. Very sad and unjust.

Re: # 41

How the f*** nizam made his wealth? working in the f***ing fields?.... there have been n number of blood sucking nizams and kings and what not, all made themselves rich on the backs of their subjects, on their blood and sweat...

... once republic of india was established - there was no place for any nizams, kings, maharajas, zamindars or other free riding scum of the earth... the wealth was not his, that belongs to people of india... so does hyederbad, goa, kashmir, or whichever other place you are talking about...Nizma didn`t have a divine right to anything...

QAMA jinnah can go f*** himself - we don`t give a damn... Nizam should have been shot to death for helping that jacka$$ jinnah... like I said - pray to your prophet that we had mercy on him and let him live...

Re: # 42
Now Mr. Mohor you have lost mental stability.
Please note that you can not become Super Rich like HH Nizamshah by working hard. By hardwork you can become middle class not rich. This Rajas, Sultans, amirs became rich by making poor work hard and selling marketing their works products. It is happening all time even in socialism. Without exploitation there is no excess wealth. Poor should not be given too much as surplus makes them demand even more creating propblems opf strikes insubordination or thinking of subversive ideas of socialism and even worse marxist idealogy. You know that yourself you have communists three state govts means you have problems. Now this rich people work also hard but mentally and good managers of poor people. There is not so much land here to give to all poor landless workers on farm. You have communisty way of land things so indian farm is fragmented and reduceing smaller and smaller, ecnomically inviable unit. That is reason Pakistani Zamindars are rich as they do not go on fragmenting lands. That is reason India needs imports to feed poor indian and he is fed cattle feed from usa, russia etc. While pakistani farmers productivity whopping 56% more so he does not cultivate all land still can feed so many people and big exporter of wheat etc and rice. Queen of england only uses pakistani when she makes food for her family. Quality product produced fron clear cold waters and most organic and valuable lands of Punjab and Sindh. Now it is fashion of people like indians who are socialist inside to speak bad against rich people, zamindars and show them bad in your moves which is cancer to all of subcontinent. Most of time rich people are nicer, good looking, they marry also good looking, physically healthy and educated amny times foreign educated. ( Here no body gives damn to IIT and FIT etc they go to colleges of cambridge amnd europe and america etc.
Any I think you should develop humility and appreciation and honor of Kandan people who teach their children to to yes sir, yes madam etc. English gone and all conuntries have gone down and all coorroupt officers. We need good civil servic officer from Britain in India to teach indians good qualities of showing respects to people.
Pakistan also need them and supreme court judges who are impartial and can interpreat law of land without afraid of rulibg army boss.
Any way you can help yourself being respectful of others and specially of dead persons.
Good day.

Re: # 43

Blah... blah...bleat...bleat... you babble a lot old man... if you pakis love your nizams, zamindars and mega agriculturalists and other feudal scum, so be it... But we don`t, and we have abolished all such fiefdoms, a democracy has on place for such feudalism... if that makes us ``socialist``, so be it... Like I said - you got your homeland, we got ours... that`s the reason we gave you your patch... go kill yourself over your nizams and zamindars...

I have no respect for fools - dead or alive... :)...

Re: # 27
Was Banglore part of Nizam state ?

jang, kannadigas have always used the name bangaluru or something else sounding fairly similar (could some kannadiga confirm that, please?).

at least bombay was always called mumbai by locals and poona pune and calcutta kolkata...and i am not talking of old times but by comtemperory locals. e.g., the local radio broadcaster always said ``akashwani, mumbai kendra``. wtf is chennai and bangaluru..and we must change Dehli to Dilli right away. may be south dilli retain Dehli.

tahmed32, those are good examples of places where people have overcome this problem. Many Americans have no problem identifying with their native American roots, and don`t see their identities at odds with the identities of American Indians or of Spaniard Settlers (although it would be an interesting survey to ask native Americans themselves if they would prefer to ``re-establish`` most old names were they to re-gain power). Similarly, UK too seems to have erased the strong mentality of former (Roman) rulers and ruled, with few Briton now identifying themselves and their heritage as such.

We, however, continue to stay close to separate parts of a common heritage,...so the lasting solution may lie in disabling people`s strong and separate identifications with divisive aspects of history.

The changing/keeping of names everywhere boils down to the visceral issues of identity and identification. In India and Pakistan, a very widespread belief is that Muslims and British were the historical ``conquerers,`` and others (Hindus etc) were the historical ``defeated.`` In that framework, formerly ``defeated`` peoples seek to return the places to ``original`` names once they gain the right to rule over themselves.

How can we get rid of this mindset of the former ``rulers`` and the ``ruled?`` It is as heartbreakingly common as it is probably silly.

One solution could be for people to acknowledge the history. That will make everyone more sensitive to the concerns of others, so a solution could be found in which no one group feels particularly slighted.

Possibly, then we will all behave more ``rationally``.

But this is indeed funny :

[Mr. Yechury, on the other hand, added a third and to him a ‘secular’ name. ``If anything, we propose the name be changed to Leningrad. The great Vladimir Ilyich is now no longer respected in his own country Russia. At the same time his idelogical contributions to the cause of the Indian people is immense.`` ]

I suggest Delhi should be renamed Macacabad

What about Lahore?