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#29 by zeemax

So are you saying that Pakistan has smartened up and ready to leap frog?

#27 by bbabu

Malaysia is several notches above Pakistan.

True as of now, but it wasn`t just 20 years ago. Neither was S. Korea, nor China 30 years ago which was closed to the outside world till the Nixon visit in 1972 (which Pakistan had facilitated). So Pakistan went seriously wrong and lost direction, which it is adopting again.

All these countries leap-frogged in a couple of decades or less. One thing good about globalisation is that now it is possible to leap-frog, instead of a slow-sustained indigenous development. You just need to be smart. That`s all.

#23 by harimau

I wasn`t referring to you. As you had explained once, you`re an equal opportunity abuser :)

Re: # 6

I do not mean to put Pakistan down. But I want to point out that Malaysia is several notches above Pakistan.

Chowk Staff,
Please delete my message #24 below. It is not related to the topic and I posted it here by mistake.
Thanks,

Sorry,
Wrong thread. My apologies

Manto Payee, I am very disappointed in your lack of judgment

Manto Bhai,
I have always admired your sense of logic, your vision for Pakistan, and even your aspirations for high office. I have supported you against Injuns, against Moolas, and even against those who would deny you membership in Muslimhood.

While I have disagreed with your views concerning the misfortune that is called partition of 1947, I am even more disappointed by your hasty and illogical altercation with Ms. Nadia. I consider her bravery, courage, and determination to take on a whole gang of goons to be the model of Pakistani feminininininity. Moreover, being a Shia of the Asna Ashuri persuasion, she is twice the Shia that you are. This of course is due to your becoming a Smiley, who while Shias, only believe in half of the saintly leaders we call Eye Maams.

When your own community of Sunnis, or ``losers`` as coined by the rag what covereth and protecteth, ejected your esteemed father and persecuted you because of your former faith, it was the Shia Smileys who gave you a home.
What did you do in return?
You joined a gang of hooligans in picking on a single Pakistani Shia female as she struggled to ward off the evil witches who were ganging up and hurling all kinds of abuse and venom at her.
If I were in your place, I would have protected and defended the solitary victim - but then from the results of various threads, it is obvious that she whipped some ass and I am sorry to note that one of them was yours.

I hope that you apologize to Nadia for your faux pas.
Thanks,
Salim Chauhan

Ref zeemax #20

[Oak, you still have not understood the motivations of some Indian posters. Do not take them seriously. Except for a few who can be counted on fingertips, all others watch Pakistan closely for anything negative they come across on the internet, and flaunt that as some kind of victory.]

Actually, that seems to be the specialty of Ayesha Sarwari whose iLog consists of nothing but news items from India.

On the other hand, my iLog is clean. I have NOT posted anything about a 16-year-old girl being raped and paraded naked through the village some 50 miles outside Karachi for her brother`s sin of marrying some girl against the wishes of her parents. Thus is honor avenged in the Land of the Pure.

Ref oak #19

[Indian allusions to Pakistan`s sanitation in a derogatory manner shows a distinct lack of class.]

You wouldn`t be sh!tting me now, would you?

Search Chowk interacts for ``railroad tracks`` and see how many Pakis have posted about Indians defecating on railroad tracks.

When I come back with the same thing, suddenly your arse is burning. Too much mirchi, I suppose.

[It also has distinct overtones of seeing the people of Pakistan as an undercaste.]

Hey, no matter what your mommas and papas have been telling you about being direct descendants of Prophet Mohammad Himself or of Genghiz Khan, the fact remains that you are all low-caste converts to Islam, the Religion of Peace.

zeemax....if u are objective, then pigs just flew.

rgds,

devkant.

#19 by oak

Oak, you still have not understood the motivations of some Indian posters. Do not take them seriously. Except for a few who can be counted on fingertips, all others watch Pakistan closely for anything negative they come across on the internet, and flaunt that as some kind of victory. More often than not, the contentions they make are factually incorrect.

I don`t know why is that. There is rivalry, sure, but I think Pakistanis have grown out of it except the Kashmir issue. Not the Indians who just do not accept Pakistan as an entity and try to put it down all the time over trivial matters. As for the post you mentioned, the poster knows well enough the conditions in which a large majority of Indians live ... even in their supposedly booming towns such as Bombay, Calcutta etc where millions sleep and defecate on the streets and wash clothing in sewers, and mothers gouge out their children`s eyes to make them beg. Even now. If they were ever to visit Pakistan, they would know the difference as all Indians who come here do, and leave with glazed eyes.

My advice is to ignore all Indians on Chowk who are not interested in any objective discourse, but merely Pakistan bashing on one ptretext or the other.

Re: # 7

Ranjit

Indian allusions to Pakistan`s sanitation in a derogatory manner shows a distinct lack of class. It also has distinct overtones of seeing the people of Pakistan as an undercaste. It is perhaps ironic that the ones who complain most vociferously about Pakistan are the ones who would never have given its people any breathing space in the first place.

Zeemax I`ll have to get back to you re: 9 at some point later.

majumdar

Professionally conducted surveys do not work like that anymore. A marigin of +(-) 5% is the maximum accepted. The questionnaires contain self verifying questions, and are designed to cross-check the responses. The surveyors are well-trained and not amateurs.

I think these are now pretty reflective, as against those of 15-20 years ago.

Urstruly,

Re: #14

That reminds me of my B-school days when we had to do Marketing Reserach projects. We would first finalise the conclusions we wanted to reach and then fill up the questionaires with spurious data that would help us reach the desired results.

Regards

13 by GT

Is consumption computed from household expenditure in the Pakistani census?

It is not computed through census, but through periodic Household Income & Expenditure Surveys (HIES) by the Federal Bureau of Statistics.

The complete 2001-02 detailed reports are here. A summary is here.

These surveys are held every couple of years or so. Though you can find latest data on wage growth and employment in the Economic Survey of Pakistan which is published yearly.

Re: # 14

I do not belive statistics, especially the Government statistics. When I was a university student, the relative of a calss fellow, who worked for Gallop approcahed us and asked us if we would like to make some money on the side. They were conducting a survey for a pharmaceutical company which sold cosmetics in Pakistan; probably Lever Brothers, I don`t remember now. We were given questionaires and we were required to go from neighborhood to neighborhood, knock at people`s doors and ask them the questions. First we tried honestly and tried to question some people but we quickly figured out that people were thinking that either we were scoping their household for a robbery or we were after their girls. So one night we sat down in our dorm and filled out close to 5000 questionaires by ourselves. The deadline was two weeks later; after which we handed over the questionaires. So there Gallop with 97% margin of error,