Muharram 10: ’Ashura: Commemorating Imam Hussain- The Prince of Martyrs

Shuhada e Karbala by Allama Pir Sayyid Muhammad Irfan Shah Mashadi Moosavi Naqshbandi -- great scholar and descendent of the Prophet via Imam Musa Kazim.

I heard a beautiful speech by a great Sunni alim wherein he said, ``Imam Hussain died for the sake of the shafa`at of his Grandfather`s Ummah!`` -- subhan Allah. We will all get shafa`ah for the sacrifice made by the Imam.

Re: # 80

Did “Hazrat Siddiq e Akbar” celebrated prophet’s birthday as a religious ritual year as well? What did “Hazrat Siddiq e Akbar” say about soyam, daswaan, chehlum , barsiyan, gayarhwiyaan, urs, asking “dead data” and “dead khwaja” to fulfill one’s desires, did he ever do that? And what would be the stance of “Hazrat Siddiq e Akbar” on dancing to qawwalis all nite and then missing fajr? Maulana Taqi Usmani has said that if you kiss ur thumbs just out of sheer love and immense love of the Prophet (PBUH) overwhelms and you kiss ur thumbs then its OK. But if you do it mechanically thinking that just the action itself has some reward in then its clearly a Bidaa. You can’t just list incident of Yamama and make it a rule, if in fact the narration of tirmidhi is accurate what do you think the intention of Abu-Bakar (may Allah swt be pleased with him) was? Was he under the impression that Muhammad (PBUH) can actually hear him some how? Didn’t he make himself rather clear when Prophet (PBUH) passed away and Omer (RAW) took out his sword and said that whoever says that Muhammad(PBUH) is dead I will take his head off and He(PBUH) has just gone to meet Allah swt just like moses did, at which Abu-Bakar (RAW) stood up and said whomsoever worshiped Muhammad (PBUH) his religion died today and surily we worship Allah SWT and Allah is ever-lasting. It all comes down to intentions, if you think Muhammad (PBUH) can physically some how hear you and is able to fulfill desires on his own than you are obviously demented, besides like URSTRULY said when Allah SWT has said numerous times himself, if you need something, ask me. So we will take Abu-Bakar’s opinion (RAW) (if in fact he even said it) over Allah’s SWT now? With all due respect make sure that you have your Fajar salah in order before you venture to criticize the scholars of the stature of Imam Taymiyah (Rahim ullah allayh). There are numerous stupidities that can be illustrated here that are linked to Raza barelwi, so pick up some respect. These are “Fiqh” issues that our scholars have Ikhtilaaf on , and it’s the most basic principle of Islamic jurisprudence that when there are 2 differing opinions on matters of fiqh, you don’t criticize, you follow what you deem appropriate and give me the courtesy to follow mine.

P.S : Finality of Prophethood is not a fiqh issue it’s a matter of Aqeeda so qadiyanis please don’t get excited.

Re: # 80

Take this for example

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLvHP0m5vIE

Now please explain to me that the poet is invoking an abstract notion of ``Watan`` or just addressing it as a third person. This is just a plain figure of speech. Some times we utter phrases like ``O Urstruly abb teri shaamat aai``.

I will try to find the exact grammatical terminology that defines addressing someone or something as such and will let you know.

Re #81

Oops,

… I always thought Lubaba al-Harith was also known as “Bint-e-Unzul” and was the mother of Abbas bin Malilk al Quddus and Yahya bin Malik al Quddus (not to be confused with Yahya Bin Malik al Rafsanjani-al Maliki Qudsi) … and was sister-in-law of Mutahira bint al-Qudsi ibne Jabbar, who in turn was married to her sister, Milbaba al-Harith …

… thanks for clarifying naqsh … we can all sleep better now ...

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Back to you Urstruly ... naqsh is now cursing your ullema. How can you put up with such badmaashi?

Re: # 80

Curse all you want but it still does not support your POV, neither through Qura`n nor Hadith. Would there be a possibility that you could be wrong; I am open to the possibility that I might be wrong as long as you prove your case.

Look, it is the same thing Quadianis do i.e. when they cannot support their case through an argument they start cursing and making fun of their counter-interlocutors` belief system and ullema. Why fall into same abyss.

Saving ourselves from a possibility of shirk should be of greater priority than how we should manifest our love for dead people and Holy Prophet (pbuh). As a matter of fact saving ourselves from shirk IS THE manifestation of our love for our Holy Prophet (pbuh) and his companions who sacrificed so much so that we get a chance to know our One True Creator and save ourselves from the hellfire.

ZahraJ:

Thanks. Lubaba bint al-Harith

Lubaba bint al-Harith (Arabic: لبابة بنت الحارث), also known as ``Umm Fadl``, is the mother of Abd-Allah ibn Abbas and Fadl ibn Abbas, wife of Abbas ibn Abd-al-Muttalib, and sister of Maymuna bint al-Harith, who was a wife of the Messenger and hence one of the Mothers of the Believers.

Hazrat Ali was martyred in about 30 AH (.i.e about 20 years after the Prophet`s honouring the Next World). Imam Husayn was martyred in 61 AH. i.e. about 31 years after the martyrdom of his father (upon them all be peace!)

Re: # 69

My friend it is CLEARLY an invocation (i.e. nidaa, i.e. to call out to someone) as even the most elementary knowledge of english would show you.

problem is wahabis and their supporters--maudoodis lot come to mind along with israar ahmed--these are sophisticated vahaaabrey--have used every trick to try and prevent people saying YA MUHAMMAD! but have failed since Muslims have been saying it and calling on the Prophet from the earliest days of islam until now. the first munkar of Ya Muhammad was Ibn Taymiyyah who is 600 years or so afterwards from the Prophet. The next major denier was Mr. Ibn Abd al Wahaab Najdi Khabis Ma`loon and his followers for the past 200 years or so. Yet have Muslims stopped it? No!

So now you know Islam and Koran sharif and hadith better than Hazrat Siddiq e Akbar! Wah bhai wah!

Re #78

… and Quran or ahadith refer to them as … madar*** …?? I surely hope not ...

I was reciprocating about your own “respectful” mode of discussion ... hope the point is clear ...

Speaking of ruthless killers, here’s what Maudoodi wrote. What does that make him in your own language? Enjoy:

Foreign policy and jihad

“Human relations are so integrated that no state can have complete freedom of action under its principles unless the same principles are in force in a neighboring country. Therefore, both for its safety and the general reform, a “Muslim party” will not be content with the establishment of Islam in just one area alone. It should try to expand in all directions. On one hand it will spread its ideology, on the other it will invite people of all nations to accept its creed, for salvation lies only therein. If this Islamic state has power and resources it will fight and destroy non-Islamic governments and establish Islamic states in their place.”

This was the policy which was adopted by the Prophet (pbuh) and his Rightly Guided Caliphs. Arabia, where the Muslims Party was first formed, was the first to be subdued. After this, the Prophet (pbuh) sent invitations to all neighboring countries, but did not wait to see whether these invitations were accepted. As soon as he acquired power, he started the conflict with Roman Empire. Abu Bakr became the leader of the Party after the Prophet (pbuh) and attacked both Roman and Persian Empires and Umar finally won the war”

Haqiqat-e-Jihad (Reality of Jihad); Lahore: Taj Company Ltd., 1964; page 64, 65

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And you have a problem with Yazid?
It`s time to stop pointificating and to get serious ...

Re: # 77

I do not think I have used a foul language against someone`s belief system or revered personalities. The people I am referring to are ruthless killers who not only kill Muslims by the instigation and funding of kafirs but also create tumult in the Muslim land. If these two conditions are met, the Qura`n and Hadith authorizes state to go against such people with full force of state machinery and eliminate them through a judicial process.

Urstruly (re #33),

Apparently this is your `respectful` mode of discussion …

“…These madarchods have to be eliminated …” (#11)
(ahem, ahem)

But I insist, if said properly, “fcuk” sounds very classy. It has a nice ring to it …

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And no one called anyone ``kanjriyon ke bachchay”, despite your vehement insistence. But if the shoe fits …

re #68,

With a name like ‘abu_safwaan’ it is difficult to take you seriously.

Thanks for sharing your views though … (esp. starting with a ‘yes’ to my earlier comment …)

Naqshbandi

I went through the referred ahadith that you claim you your POV, thoroughly, but still could not find how they can be construed to invoke dead people. However I found this note to be of particular interest:

It is not said that all that is meant by the ``servants of Allah`` in the hadiths cited above are only angels, or Muslims among the jinn, or men of the realm of the invisible: for all of these are living. Hence, the hadith would not give evidence for asking aid from the dead, but this is not the case. We mention this because there is nothing explicit in the hadith whereby what is meant by ``servants of Allah`` are the categories we mentioned above and nothing else. Yet even if we were to concede this, the hadith would still be a proof against the Wahhabis from another standpoint, and that is the calling on someone invisible. The Wahhabis no more allow it than the calling on the dead


And interestingly enough this note was written right after quoting this hadith:


``Allah has angels on the earth - other than the [two] record-keepers - who keep a record [even] of the leaves that fall on the ground. Therefore, if one of you is crippled in a deserted land where no-one is in sight, let him cry out: a`înû `ibâd Allâh rahimakum Allâh, `Help, O servants of Allah, may Allah have mercy on you!` Verily he shall be helped, if God wills.`` Ibn Hajar said its chain is fair (isnaduhu hasan) in ``al-amali``.



Talk about the handicap in reading comprehension.


All of the other ahadith only elaborate on summoning help from real live people and not the daed ones or supernormal.

#72 by ZahraJ

According to the Hadees he foretold the event.

But to be honest, I think we should not attribute miracles to Muhammad, because he said so many times that he was not capable of miracles like say Moosa, but his only miracle was the Quran.

Dear Raw,

While I respect your free-thinking and free association even if I disagree with it ... please note that the author of this beautiful article is a Sunni.

Asif -

Thank you for a very informative and beautiful write-up. Out of curiosity, who was ``Hazrat Umm al Hârith`` ? I did not get that. Was Hazat Ali alive at the time of Hazrat Imam Hussein`s death?

Zahra