Muharram 10: ’Ashura: Commemorating Imam Hussain- The Prince of Martyrs

There is a particular interesting interpretation i heard long time back about Yazid being Razi Allah. The argument is that Yazid sent first army to conquer constantinople and there is a hadith that promises Heaven to the muslims who would fight to bring contantinople under Islam, therefore, Hazrat Yazid Razi Allah Taala Anhu.

nasah:
to become shia, you have to acquaint yourself with Shia version of history (like about killing Muhsin bin Ali) and consider sunnism as perverted islam brought about by munafiqs/hypocrites like Umer, Abu Bakr and Usman. you will have to learn saying may God curse Umer on auto like you rage against bush and blair in your signature interacts. from shia to sunni route. you ofcourse have to consider all of this as doctored by shias.

yazid is a khabis lanati and there is ijma on his being faasiq faajir. [evil and wrongdoer]. there is ikhtilaaf on whether he is a kaafir or not amongst sunnis. i belong to those who consider him kafir. BUT there is NO ikhtilaf amongst muslims on the kufr of mirza qadiani.

sattar since you are NOT part of the ummah why do u care?

… and while I am at it …

Urstruly MiaN,

… your ullema are no better either and pull the same tricks as Naqsh’s. They just package their mess differently and call it ijtehad (… or is it ijmah … or irtidad …??? … I dunno …).

Naqsh, it’s all in the name of fun for an innocent bystander like me. But don’t let me interrupt … please continue spitting on Urstruly …

… no wonder ummah is going to the dogs …

Re: # 41

i am not in england now. i don`t follow this story. i would be willing to bet they are wahabis.
i hope they get life imprisonment if guilty.

Re: # 33

well said urstruly. in qaadiyaanio ka islaam se taaluq hii nahin so ignore them.

urstruly what concerns me about what you wrote is not that you don`t do istigatha yourself--it is your loss--but that you consider those who do so as mushriks. this would make most of the ummah mushriks. astaghfirullah. the point about mentioning sayyidina abu bakr`s saying `ya muhammada` is that no one understood islam better than him, so if it was wrong or against the teachings of islam to call on the prophet then he would NEVER do it.

only wahabis of various types and modernists like sir syed ahmed khan consider it shirk. and coming back to the pure imam, imam e hussain alayhisalam, he who died for this ummah and who will do shifa for us on qiyamat, i HATE people like maudoodi, all of his followers incl. israar ahmed, deobandis and ahl e hadith who wrote the disgusting book ``rasheed bin rasheed`` where in they insulted the ahle bayt and tried to show that yazid khabis lanati kafir jahannami -kuttah was correct and imam paak was wrong. astaghfirullah. all the deobandi elders and maudoodi himself put their signatures to that sick book.

urstruly:


Proofs from Quran and Sunnah for calling on the pious for help using the phrase ``Ya So-and-So``

this is a discussion between brothers. so followers of mirza lanati please shoo shoo.

How do you `convert` a Shia to a Sunni -- or a Sunni to a Shia..? What is the `procedure`.....?

Re #45 … actually it gets more interesting …

Apparently (some?) ulema of Naqsh believe in abrogation of Quranic verses.

This abrogation business is quite intricate and falls in 4 categories (more?): Sunnah of Prophet abrogating Quran (or vice versa, at times) … and ahadith abrogating Quran (or vice versa, at times).

What abrogates what is a mind-boggling business. It reminds me of video games, with each tank and aero plane out to destroy others before getting destroyed itself. It is like a “Survivor” battle of sorts …

… all of which is best suited for useless, unemployable ullema sitting on their over-sized butts, issuing fatwas left and right. Bring on the halwa, buddy …

Back to you, Naqsh …

Thanks Urstruly. I read somewhere (and i am not sure if it is true or not) that according to Shias belief original text of Quran contains 7000 verses and the only copy of that version is with Imam Mahdi.
Thanks for the link.

Re: # 43

Even though Shias may prefer to read Qura`n in its Chronological order, the Qura`n itself is one and the same for everyone i.e. as it was edited by Holy Prophet (pbuh):

http://quran.al-shia.com/en/text/

Re: # 42

I do not think my opinion is any different in this regard, from Naqshbandi or what you have written.

Your information about different `versions` of Quran is incorrect. There is only one version of Quran, however, it is read differently. When the revelation of Qura`n was completed, Holy prophet (pbuh) himself edited the whole book. So the Qura`n that we see today is not in chronological order as it was revealed but it is arranged in the order as dictated by Holy Prophet (pbuh). That is the reason we see that the first surah (Chapter) was revealed in mecca during the earliest days of his prophethood, whereas immediately after that the 4 chapters were revealed during his Medinite life period which was 13 years later. Then again the 6th chapter was revealed in Mecca and so on and so forth. As a matter of fact the last few chapters are overwhelmingly from the Meccan period. Some of the verses even in some chapters were inserted from a different time period as Holy Prophet (pbuh) instructed e.g. last few verses of the Chapter titled The Women (4). As one reads the Qura`n the the reason for this editing becomes very clear.

Shias (I am not sure whether all of them or some) read the Qura`n in its chronological order as it was revealed. I do not consider it a bad practice, because if we read the Qura`n in chronological order the sequence is very traditional i.e. first it emphasizes on the beliefs and then introduces us to moral dimension; whereas if one reads Qura`n as it was edited by Holy Prophet (pbuh) it makes it a beautiful blend of moral dimension butteresed by a belief system. It is this blend that has moved humanity and established a new civilization on this earth.

Probably Allah wants us to preserve both version of His word - as they were revealed and as they were collated. That is what makes it so unique.

Urstruly:
Naqshbandi has a point regarding following the sunah of Sahabah, the exlted companions of the Prophet, for the fact that it is Sunah of Usman that literally carved out Islam for Sunnis of today. Because it is the text of Quran that he published (along with Marwan) that is considered authentic. So for being sunni is in essence to acknowledge Usman`s version of Quran as the word of Allah. (Shias don`t recognize usman`s version as final so they are excluded).

Naqshbandi… what do you think of today’s news about 8 British-Pakis arrested for plotting to behead and post videos on the internet? What is their religious affiliation? Are they Shias or Qadiyanis? Are they gainfully employed or live off the dole? Were they regulars in neighborhood mosque? Etc. etc..

Re: # 39

Yeah, and your idea of excelling is killing one another. You guys couldn’t take a day’s break even the day after the death of the Prophet. You have since been doing that, and will continue doing it. When you can’t stand to truth, the only thing you resort to is saying oh he is a Qadiyani. To you may be it is an insult, but to us it is a matter of pride to belong to the faith of the Last Prophet of Islam Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadiyan Shareef, whose status is only second and equal to Allah.