Muharram 10: ’Ashura: Commemorating Imam Hussain- The Prince of Martyrs

urstuly bhai

there is a crucial hole in the centre of your argument and it is your comparing the mushriks of pre-islamic arabia with muslims based on a flawed analogy. To really cut the legs from under the argument you use--which is a common Wahabi one is the following hadith by the Holy Prophet (alayhisalatuwasalam wa alaa Aalihi tayyibina wa taahireen):

`Uqba ibn Amir (radi-Allahu `anh), the relater of the hadith ash-Sharif, said, `Rasulullah (sall-Allahu ta`ala `alaihi wa sallam), ascended the minbar. It was the last time I saw him on the minbar. He declared: ``I do not fear whether you will become polytheists after I die. I fear that you, because of worldly interests, will kill one another and thus be destroyed like ancient tribes.``

-[Sahih of Bukhari and Muslim]


This hadith demolishes Waahbism from its roots since all they do is accuse Muslims of shirk!

Urstruly (re #174),

You criticized naqsh’s thinking as follows …

``how could we be wrong; our ancestors had been doing the same thing since forever; our traditions can`t be wrong`` …

And …

”… I am asking you to question the way of your ancestors …”

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Replace ancestors with ullema, and it sums up my criticism of your views. Got it, little genius?

In almost all our arguments, your final defense has been to insist …so many of our ullema throughout history can’t be wrong, so Ahmadis must be wrong.

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You and Naqsh are one and same. He looks up to his ancestors, you to your ullema … both violate Quran, both are devoid of reason and integrity.

On the other hand Naqsh is not the bloodthirsty animal that you are … and that perhaps is the difference between two of you … (although I am not sure what to make of this goon, abu safwaan, here …)

Urstruly,

I told you … don’t fall for this soft sufi side of Naqsh. The guy is a badmaash of highest order. This berather-shirader thing he keeps uttering is just to confuse pious wahabis. But I am glad you see through it ...

... and that Mansur guy got what he deserved. The bugger asked for it … damn straight! I say we hang a few more of them hallucinating sufis who invoke god’s name in vain. That ought to teach them Brelvis a lesson … I kid you not ... I too hate those bastards …

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Re #173 … no seriously, who named you abu_safwaan …??

Naqshbandi

When Holy Prophet (pbuh) started his mission in Mecca, the pagans, the Quresh, and the people of the book had only one response - ``how could we be wrong; our ancestors had been doing the same thing since forever; our traditions can`t be wrong``. But when Holy Prophet (pbuh) presented them with irrefutable arguments, you know, how did they respond? They started abusing him, cursing him, and called him a sorceror.

I would very humbly, as a brother, point you to your own behavior. Do you see any parallel here?First you take refuge behind the tradition of ``our ancestors - our auliya`` and then you start cussing those who invite you to nothing but the righteous ways of Qura`n and Hadith. Your anger would have been justified had I tried to misguide you into any other thing but Qura`n and Hadith; but your anger is not because of that but it is because I am asking you to question the way of your ancestors.

Please keep in mind that our only ancestor should be Holy Prophet (pbuh) and no one else, and our only Guilding Light should be Qura`n and nothing else. Don`t you see, when you have these two, everything and every Moududi, Abdulwahab, Ahmad reza khan, and shibli become irrelevant? Every label becomes meaningless?

Re: # 172

Only if sattariiiyyyyaaaa`s parents hugged him a lil more he wudn`t be this annoying. Abbay dheett, noone even finds u worthy enough to address ur insanities so shut up already. Koii baatt karayy na karayy bidanand bachoon kii tarah beachh meinn kood parta hayy nalayiq.

Naqsh,

… I totally agree … these salafi bastards are not worth the time. And neither are these wahabhis … be them ahle hadith or deobandis. These lufangae baaz poke fun at teachings of sufi auliyyan-e-karam … and refuse to visit graves of pirs or ask for their intercession… tauba, tauba …

… yes indeed, true Islam lies with Ahle-Sunnah Ala Hazrat Imam Malik Wallahu Barelvi Sufian-e-karam W`ahle ba`it traditional Hanafis … something I’ve been saying all along … I am glad we agree ...

i`m afraid urstruly i don`t buy your argument--however good your intentions; under the slogan of `lets go back to quran and hadith` wahabis of all forms--and lets not be PC here, mawdoodi was basically a wahabi, ahle hadith are wahabis, deobandis too are moderate wahabis in aqaid...all these people have in common belittling traditional islam of ahlus sunnah as `common man`s islam`, `shirk` etc. when the reality is that this is the real islam which is practised from morocco to indonesia in the majority even now.

that is why i dont have time for salafists or salafi sympathisers. you are a clever guy, a sincere guy, who i believe wishes well for muslims. therefore i urge you to go and find yourself a shaykh or read the books of al ghazali.

leave israar ahmed and others of his ilk in their darkness.

the reality is all the awliya of islam have ALL been on the aqeeda of ahlus sunnah as representee by the sunni MASSES of the world till this day. which is why in every single muslim country the majority of the muslims visit the graves of the saints, ask for intercession, read durood, say YA RASOOL Allah, do milad and so on. From Morocco to Indonesia it is the case.

Naqsh,

I cut through Ustruly’s bs to summarize his point …

”… we will continue to hang, stone, and behead your divines just like we did Mansur al-Hallaj. Soon it will be your turn if you don’t straighten yourself out …insha’allah …”

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Urstruly, you are a sick man, a pathetic soul …

People like you poisoned Socrates, chased Aristotle out of Athens, tortured Galileo, ganged up against Muhammad, crucified Jesus, killed Imam Hussain, executed Mansur al-Hallaj, and much more …

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And you both refer to each other as “brother in faith” …
……………… no wonder ummah is going to the dogs …

nasah,

… don’t be down on expletives … they succinctly sum up a range of complex emotions and bring a man in harmony with the topic at hand, thus crystallizing erudite metaphors and myriad of salient allegories from deep subliminal human consciousness into revelations fitting for scholars and visionaries. Did you write this down ... ?

Here’s an example: In #168 Ustruly is grappling with subtle issues, trying to appear reasonable so as not to piss off this brother in faith … while actually drawing a sharp ideological distinction between Brelvi aqaid and Maudoodiite viewpoint. I foretold Urstruly’s position very early on, in #30 … where I basically summed it up as … ``Naqsh, fuck you`` …

I hope it is now clear …

Naqshbandi

I do not consider brelvi aqaid (ways) to be wrong because in some cases Ijtehad done to carry them out has served their purpose. For example, an Ijtehad by early sufis and ulema to matmorph the local hindu rites and customs into their Islamic versions have worked very well. For example, replacing Diwali with Shab-Bara`t, incorporating Hindu funeral and wedding rites in Muslim rites; and changing the hindu tradition of bhajjan into Quwali has helped spread the message of Tauheed to the far and wide corner of the Hindustan and elsewhere. But such ijtehad needed tremendous amount of control and overseeing by ulema and sufis which over the years have deteriorated. Hence these very rituals are replacing the core belif system of Islam. For example, an ordinary person with minimal education considers Quwali to be a valid form of worship; which it is absolutely not. The only valid worship is that which was taught by Holy Prophet (pbuh).

With the changing and shrinking world the ijtehad that sufis and ulema did about a 1000 years ago is losing its benefit and doing more harm than good. So there is a need to revert back to the core of the Islamic teaching so that we become a cohesive unit as the the geography is shriking. There is a greater need for us to revert back to Qura`n and Hadith and re-interpret them as new Ijtehad. The Ijtehad that was done 1000 years ago served its purpose very well and so should the new Ijtehad.

I hope this will help you understand my position.