Muharram 10: ’Ashura: Commemorating Imam Hussain- The Prince of Martyrs

Re: # 38

Since you are a Quadiani, I don`t see any reason why you should be poking your nose into this matter. But if you are practicing your quadiani oratory skills, as it is evident from your language, then go right ahead. This is something and only thing you people excel at.

Re: # 37

Urstruly, wouldn’t it be better if you shut up with your ignorant and insignificant self instead of worrying about what other people believe or do? What is it to you (personally) if someone curses the dead morons? Do you really believe that someone made you incharge of how people should react to historical dramas? Does anyone really give a shyt about who died and who didn’t? How come it is only Desis (mostly of Deobandi persuasion) who have made this the reason d’etre to find something to mourn about. It would be much better for jokers like you to get a job instead of worrying about Shias and Sunnis. People like Dr. Israr Ahmad and Moudoodi are the certified scum of the earth, worthy of being paraded in nude on the Mall road and exported to Mecca and be replaced with concrete pillars that Hajis throw stones at.

Re: # 35

I understand your concern, but if you look around, currently a genocide is happening in Iraq as we speak. The two fighting factions who are perpetrating this vile act divide themselves on the basis of shia and sunni divide. It is a fact that an overwhelming majority of sunnis considers Imam Hussain to be the righteous one, and the one who was wronged. They also consider Ali (RA) to be the fourth righteous caliph - you might have noticed that in the interacts below and the article itself. But on the other hand shias have standardized the practice of cursing all companions of Holy Prophet (pbuh) as one of their religious duties. The practice is called ``Tabra`a`` and it irks the hell out of every fair minded Muslims including some shias. It is just another matter what is the true status of companions and how Qura`n and Hadith attributes a special status to the companions who made great sacrifices in the cause of Islam. But what really worries me :) is the act of Tabra`a` which is nothing but cultivating a cult mindset. I mean for heavens sake, these people died 15 centuries ago then what is the point in so much hatered and its continued cultivation. Why not work towards filling the divide rather than working on widening it further.

I once attended a khutba by Haq Nawaz Jhangvi in a mosque in Karachi; it is the same a-hole who started the anti-shia violence in pakistan right after the Iranian Revolution. It is one thing that he was a firebrand but the core theme of his lecture revolved around the practice of Tabra`a. That was the only part of his argument that had some `meat` in it; other than that it was all hot air.

Yes Tabara`a is abhorent and it turns my stomach but Jhangavi`s speech had an opposite effect on me and the group of my friends. (In those days we were into lectures and debates and used to make extra effort to find accomplished speakers from any group and would try to attend their lectures, just to learn the techniques). We were so irked that wherever we would find any wall chalking by Janghvi`s group, Anajmun-e-Sipah-e- Sahaba, we would make a cartoon of a donkey beside it, since they abbreviated the name of their organization as A.S.S., which they actually were. Later when too many donkeys started appearing on the walls they changed the name of their organization to A.S.S.P (P for Pakistan).

re: Naqshbandi # 16

``most shias in india are in lucknow right~?``

I would think so, Naqsh. It wasn`t a big deal, and lots of Hindus joined in in various ways.

``Ahsan``(Best) article Asif!


#33 by Urstruly on January 30, 2007 10:29pm PT
right. I was just thinking where he was so far?

Urstruly!
You are one of my very few favorite interactors/writers at chowk since I visited this site very first time (you can see my interactor page) so I always read yours interacts.
To my memory you have written almost 150++ times that
“What really worries me is the cult like mindset of the people who claim to be his followers.” Certainly about shias and more like this as
“I am trying to make here is that Shia-ism is nothing but a cult”
and “a shia child is raised on the basis of hatered for his fellow Muslim.”
But my dear friend after reading your such comments for so many times, you seem to be like a child is raised on the basis of hatered for his fellow Muslim.
I believe you have studied a lot more than many muslims do but I think you need to study what you did without rage. I think you can do.
The questions you raises are not difficult to answer but if you make a lil bit effort you can find answers for yourself. I study only Quran but still I find answers.
Good Luck!

Excellent article...

``There cannot be a better and more illustrious example than that of Husein who was the greatest embodiment of courage, conviction and sacrifice and every Mussalman in particular should take the great example of his life and service and follow it.``

M.A.Jinnah on the 1300th commemoration of Muharram.

Re: # 30

`` Urstruly’s response is … ’fcuk you, too …’ ``

This mode of conversation is the typical tradition of Mirza and his progeny. We discuss issues with ettiquettes and mutual respect. Yes, tempers flare, but no one calls the other ``Kanjriyon ke bachchay` as your Mirza did.

Thanks for chiming in, but I see no place for you in this dialogue.

Re: # 28

THere is no need to go into an emotional outburst, which is a sure sign of ones weak position. You must try to understand the issue objectively. There are two kinds of innovations:

1. Innovation in deen i.e. belief system
2. Innovation that does not change or add to the deen.

Building of minarets, or putting accents on Quranic text, or settling a dispute on Traweeh through ijtehad is not an addition or alteration in the belief system. But saying that whirling like dervesh or dancing on the tunes of quwali is a way to connect to God is an innovation into the deen i.e. belief system. The reason is that the Holy prophet (pbuh) has already told us the ways to connect to Allah and any other way does not have his authorization. Saying that by dancing on the grave of some long dead guy connects me to God or it earns me blessing (sawab) is pure speculation; even though it is a feel good speculation it has no authority as such.

One thing for me is so absolutely impossible to comprehend that when we can invoke Allah the Ultimate at any time then why invoke Ghair-Allah, be it the Prophet (pbuh) himself; why?

A few months ago I was invited at a colleague`s house for dinner. The family had three teenage kids, who were also present there. Incidentally, on the same day it was either Shab Bara`t or Shab Miraj, and the lady of the household prepared some elaborate sweet dishes to comemorate the occasion. WE struck a conversation at the dinner table and the lady of the house said. ``Look we live in this foreign unislamic society and if we do not do these little things, the kids will forget about their religion. We have to do these things``. I said, ``I have been sitting here for the past couple of hours and I see that none of your kids or even you parents have offered any of the prayers during this time; and you have missed the time for at least two prayers. Have you substituted namaz with two sweet dishes per year. How do you know cooking sweet dishes have any sawab value?``

Of corse I wasn`t that blunt, but the point was made effectively. The fact of the matter is that too many innovative rituals HAVE replaced the teachings of Holy Prophet (pbuh). It all started with good intentions, and it has turned us away from the religion.

By definition even if Abu Bakr (RA) uttered the words ``Ya Mohammad`` at the battle of yamama and it is in the book of Tirmidhi, it does not make it a hadith; because hadith is the saying and action of Prophet (pbuh). All it is, is the saying of Abu Bakr. If the first criteria of checking the authenticity of hadith is to verify it with Qura`n then anything that Sahabeen, Tabaieen, and Taba-Tabayeen said, must also have to be verified with Qura`n AND Hadith first. If it is a religious issue, then it becomes a legal precedence, even though a new ijtehad can change it and if it is a secular issue then it is non binding.

Naqsh miaN -- no need to go whirling overboard..... Time for quiet reflection about our regression in Iraq!

Urstruly,

… what Naqsh is saying is that … either you belong to the Ahle-Sunnah Ala Hazrat Imam Malik Wallahu Barelvi Sufian-e-karam W`ahle-ba`it jamaat-e-pir-o-murshad traditional Hanafi group …

……….… or you are a kaffir.


Naqsh,

… Urstruly’s response is … ’fcuk you, too …’


I hope this is now clear …

What started as a tribute to Imam Hussain has turned into a spitting match between two brothers in faith …

… no wonder ummah is going to the dogs …

Re: # 24
and the Prophet also ordered us to follow the Sunnah of the Rightly Guides Caliphs after him.
Otherwise, for example, why do u read tarawih in jamaat? That was an innovation started by Hazrat Umar. Why do you have i`raab on the Koran? That was another innovation started by the Caliphs! Why do u have minarets in mosques? That is another innovation...

I am saddened that you have turned out to be another Wahabi. Sad...

Re: # 24

It is not innovation.

Hadith of Prophet:

My companions are like the stars, follow any one of them and you will be guided. Therefore to follow Hazrat Abu Bakr is following the Prophet.

How DARE you suggest that the most beloved to the Prophet of the whole Ummah, the most afzal after all Prophets in creation, committed shirk. The hadith of Ya Muhammada is recorded and battle of yamamah is history. So now you and other maudoodites know islam better than Sayyidina Abu Bakr? Or the aimmah e paak?
And what about all the others at the Battle of Yamamah? Would they stay silent if `shirk` as you call it was being committed? Would Hazrat Imam Zayn al Abidin have said Ya Rahmatulil alameen, adrikni [help me!] if it was shirk?

Allah save the Ummah from mullahs like you!
with all due respect, of course.

Nara e Haidari!
Ya Ali!

The grandfather of Ismail Dehlavi, whom you admire, and who wrote the utterly burnable book Taqwiyatul Iman, thus spreading wahabism in india, was Shah Wali Allah Muhadiss Delhvi. He (rahmatullah alayhi) writes that whenever I am faced with a problem I turn towards Najaf Ashraf in Iraq (i.e. the grave of Imam Ali) and say the Naad e Ali -i.e. Ya Ali Madad (in longer form). He also says his ancestors have always done this!

Here the kalam of Pir Sahib (marsiya) recited by Sayyid Fasihuddin here:

You can listen to it recited by Sayyid Fasihuddin sahib at
http://www.naatsharif.com by typing in ``mehndi`` in the search box.

A marsiya in Punjabi by Huzoor Pir Sayyid Mihr Ali Shah Chishti Sahib of Golra Sharif

The translation (from the official website):




- The messenger has brought the henna prepared from the blood of death

- This henna belongs to Lady Fatimah (Radhi Allahu Ta`ala `Anha)
daughter of the Holy Prophet (Sallallahu alayhi wa Sallam) and mother
of Imam Hussain (Radhi Allahu Ta`ala `Anhu) ;

- That is why it is unlike any other type of henna

It is made of the sacred blood of Imam Hussain (Radhi Allahu
Ta`ala `Anhu) the Martyr.

- Hussain the unique pearl of the Holy Prophet (Sallallahu alayhi wa
Sallam) and Hazrat Ali (Karram Allah Wajhah) ; The treasure of Lady
Fatimah (Radhi Allahu Ta`ala `Anha)

- Who wearing the bracelet of his Holy Grandfather (Sallallahu alayhi
wa Sallam) , set out towards the site of his martydom

- The Holy Prophet (Sallallahu alayhi wa Sallam) , Hazrat Ali (Karram
Allah Wajhah) and Lady Fatimah (Radhi Allahu Ta`ala `Anha) all called
out :

`` O Son Hussain (Radhi Allahu Ta`ala `Anhu) ! Come apace to join us
in paradise`` We yearn for thee moment by moment

- O Prince Hussain (Radhi Allahu Ta`ala `Anhu) ! The leaf of thy
henna shrub is green.

The men of Kufa have joined hands to pounce upon thee

- O Prince Hussain (Radhi Allahu Ta`ala `Anhu) ! The leaf of thy
henna shrub is yellow

In the desperate situation that befell thee, thou consigned thy kith
and kin to the care and protection of thy Lord Allah ! Alas ! The
calamity of Karbala overtook thee.

- O Prince Hussain (Radhi Allahu Ta`ala `Anhu) The colour of thy
henna is enchanting ;

The whole world mourns thee

- The entire creation wrings its hands in regret over thy unjust and
violent death

- O Prince Hussain (Radhi Allahu Ta`ala `Anhu) The colour of thy
henna is red

The muslim ummah looks up to thee as a model and feels the pain of
grief of the events of Karbala

- This henna comes from the beautiful garden of the Holy Prophet`s
(Sallallahu alayhi wa Sallam) household.

It belongs to the purified members of that household, that is why it
is like any other type of henna.

- On the one hand , the innocent , thirsty children yearned for
water, and were also subjected to a volley of arrows by the enemy.

- And on the other hand Imam Hussain (Radhi Allahu Ta`ala `Anhu)
himself was attacked on all sides with the sword.

- The great Lord had willed it thus, and had predestined to grant
thee ( Imam Hussain Radhi Allahu Ta`ala `Anhu )the rank of a martyr

- Otherwise he had all power to come to thy help in any manner he
wished.

- O Mehr Ali Shah ! The world is transient . Only the Great Lord
shall live on for ever.