Muharram 10: ’Ashura: Commemorating Imam Hussain- The Prince of Martyrs

Re: # 80

Take this for example

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLvHP0m5vIE

Now please explain to me that the poet is invoking an abstract notion of ``Watan`` or just addressing it as a third person. This is just a plain figure of speech. Some times we utter phrases like ``O Urstruly abb teri shaamat aai``.

I will try to find the exact grammatical terminology that defines addressing someone or something as such and will let you know.

Re: # 80

Curse all you want but it still does not support your POV, neither through Qura`n nor Hadith. Would there be a possibility that you could be wrong; I am open to the possibility that I might be wrong as long as you prove your case.

Look, it is the same thing Quadianis do i.e. when they cannot support their case through an argument they start cursing and making fun of their counter-interlocutors` belief system and ullema. Why fall into same abyss.

Saving ourselves from a possibility of shirk should be of greater priority than how we should manifest our love for dead people and Holy Prophet (pbuh). As a matter of fact saving ourselves from shirk IS THE manifestation of our love for our Holy Prophet (pbuh) and his companions who sacrificed so much so that we get a chance to know our One True Creator and save ourselves from the hellfire.

... not my thing, but apparently it turns you on ...

Re: # 67
Yes and i am also infatuated with Mirza Ghulam Ahmed qadiyani as well. No wait, its all you ma Qadiyani dawg!

Re: # 68

The problem with arguing with idiots is that they drag you down to their level and beat you up at their turf. There is absolutely no need to bad mouth Mirza sahib or any other personality revered by any other religion, or the person arguing or cussing you, even if they do. It is explicitly forbidden by our Master (pbuh). It is counter productive and sets us astray from our mission, which is to convey the Message to as many people as we can.

... you still seem upset about losing khilafaat ...
It`s time to move on, buddy ...

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Look, Urstruly, Naqsh, myself ... we all have moved to farangi land. What`s does that tell you ... ?

Re: # 65

Moving to farangiland is one thing, but licking their bung-hole is quite another.

re #62:

... aren`t you supposed to be blowing people up somewhere ...
Apparently it`s the new kind of jihad …

Bad Muslim.
No banana.

Re: # 63
And aren`t u suppose to be licking the boots of ur british masters? Oh wait you ARE doing that, Ma BAD!

#60 ... thanks for sharing...
Now get a life, you moron ...

Re: # 61

O saattariyyaaa, ...abbayy qadiyanii kii nasal tujh koo dunya ka orr koii kaam nahii hayy?? Jabb takk jottayy naa preinn baaz nahii aatayy tumm logg. Orr jabb partayy heinn to rein reinn kartayy hoo.

for those who don`t know: assalamu alayka AYYUHA NABIYU wa rahmatullahi wa barakatahu.... means Peace be upon YOU, O` PROPHET and the mercy of Allah and his blessings...

you cannot `scan` these references and thus dismiss them. u haven`t even answered my point that IF saying Ya Muhammad was shirk why did Hazrat Abu Bakr say it in Yamamah after the Prophet had honoured the Next World with his Presence? (alayhisalatuwasalam)? Why did Imam Zayn al Abidin alayhisalam (real name Ali bin Hussain ibn Ali ibn Abi Talib alayhimus-salam), the son of Imam Hussain and the 4th Imam, say the following:

Ya Rahmatulil alameen
Adrikni Zayn al Abidin!

In namaz why do you read al-tahiyyatu lillahi wa salawatu wa tayyibaat. assalamu alayka AYYUHA NABIYU wa rahmatullahi wa barakatahu....

In Arabic saying Ayyuha Nabiyu = Ya Nabi. ?

Urstruly (#57),

… I totally agree … you simply can’t trust these Ahle-Sunnah Ala Hazrat Imam Malik Wallahu Barelvi Sufian-e-karam W`ahle-ba`it traditional Hanafi bastards …

… march on mard-e-momin … we`re all pulling for you …

Naqshbandi

Do you even bother to check the references before you post them? The Quranic refernces to support the POV that it is OK to invoke dead people for help are absolutely irrelevant.

The first refernces is from the Chapter 28 : The Stories (Al-Qasas) that describes the story of Moses when he was a young man:


The Stories 28:15

And he (Moses) entered the city at a time when its people were not watching: and he (Moses) found there two men fighting,- one of his own religion, and the other, of his foes. Now the man of his own religion appealed to him against his foe, and Moses struck him with his fist and made an end of him. He said: ``This is a work of Evil (Satan): for he is an enemy that manifestly misleads!``

So here a living person is calling for help to another living person. I fail to see how it could be extrapolated to include invoking dead people for help.


The second reference is from Chapter 18: The Cave (Al-Kahaf), which describes the story of the king and prophet named Dhul-Qarnain (pbuh), who visited upon a nation in a far away land and following is the dialogue that happened between those people and Dhul-Qarnain

The Cave : 18:94

They (the people of that far away land) said: ``O Zul-qarnain! the Gog and Magog (People) do great mischief on earth: shall we then render thee tribute in order that thou mightest erect a barrier between us and them?

18:95

He (Dhul-Qarnain) said: ``(The power) in which my Lord has established me is better (than tribute): Help me therefore with strength (and labour): I will erect a strong barrier between you and them:


It is quite obvious from the text that Dhul-Qarnain is directly asking those people to help him build a protective wall. He is not invoking any dead people to help him errect the wall.


I have also scanned through the text of many hadith in the refernce but couldn`t find anything that supports your point of view.

#53,

Nothing much ... just enjoying the pissing contest ...

So tell us once again what you think of Maudoodi ... (there is this word you used ... which sounds very much like Maudoodi ... only ``u`` was replaced with ``r`` ...

... and Urstruly is still upset with you, you know ...)