Asif Naqshbandi January 29, 2007
#114 Posted by Urstruly on February 4, 2007 11:51:15 am
Naqsh & Zee
An unadulterated Tauheed is the only thing that binds us like bricks in the wall (`bunyan al marsooss` in the words of Holy Prophet (pbuh)); and anything that weakens the Tauheed causes the schisms, as it is evident on this board.
#115 Posted by nasah on February 4, 2007 12:11:33 pm
Naqsh and Zee -- translate for Kal a Surah that is the pulsating heart of Quran -- surah AL-IKHLAS -- explaining the kind of unity God is -- in a form so exquisite so precise yet so voluminous -- that even a skeptic like me cannot help but wonder if it is indeed Devine!
Qul ho wallaho Ahad -- Allahus Samad -- Lum Yalid wa lum Yoolad -- wa lum Ya KULLahoo kofowan AHAD.....
Qul ho wallaho Ahad -- Allahus Samad -- Lum Yalid wa lum Yoolad -- wa lum Ya KULLahoo kofowan AHAD.....
#116 Posted by philosopher on February 4, 2007 12:26:50 pm
Re: # 115
HERE is the translation of this wonderfull sura from the glorious Quran;
In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
Say: He is God, the One and Only;
God, the Eternal, Absolute;
He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;
And there is none like unto Him.
HERE is the translation of this wonderfull sura from the glorious Quran;
In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
Say: He is God, the One and Only;
God, the Eternal, Absolute;
He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;
And there is none like unto Him.
#117 Posted by philosopher on February 4, 2007 12:35:42 pm
Re: # 115nasah
[Surah that is the pulsating heart of Quran -- surah AL-IKHLAS -- explaining the kind of unity God is -- in a form so exquisite so precise yet so voluminous -- that even a skeptic like me cannot help but wonder if it is indeed Devine].
the Glorious Quran says;
``Deaf, dumb and blind; and they return not``2:18;
Their parable is like the parable of one who kindled a fire but when it had illumined all around him, Allah took away their light, and left them in utter darkness-- they do not see.2:17.
think about it.
[Surah that is the pulsating heart of Quran -- surah AL-IKHLAS -- explaining the kind of unity God is -- in a form so exquisite so precise yet so voluminous -- that even a skeptic like me cannot help but wonder if it is indeed Devine].
the Glorious Quran says;
``Deaf, dumb and blind; and they return not``2:18;
Their parable is like the parable of one who kindled a fire but when it had illumined all around him, Allah took away their light, and left them in utter darkness-- they do not see.2:17.
think about it.
#118 Posted by nasah on February 4, 2007 12:37:56 pm
Philosopher -- good -- but try a little harder on the last line -- ``wa lum Ya KULLahoo kofowan AHAD`` -- because that is the ESSENCE (in American slang the punch line ) of the great Surah.
#119 Posted by philosopher on February 4, 2007 12:52:36 pm
Re: # 118nasah sahib
[but try a little harder on the last line -- ``wa lum Ya KULLahoo kofowan AHAD`` -- because that is the ESSENCE]
yap off course;
God is incomprehensible but according to the Quran you can find HIM in your own ``self``
the Quran says;And in your selves-do you not see?
please read #117 .
[but try a little harder on the last line -- ``wa lum Ya KULLahoo kofowan AHAD`` -- because that is the ESSENCE]
yap off course;
God is incomprehensible but according to the Quran you can find HIM in your own ``self``
the Quran says;And in your selves-do you not see?
please read #117 .
#120 Posted by nasah on February 4, 2007 2:50:34 pm
Naqsh, Zee and Urs -- there is no better explanation of Tauheed than surah Ikhlas -- why don`t you guys explain Ikhlas to Kal as to what Tauheed is -- Philo has explained his and that`s really good -- but there is more to it than meets the eye in this masterpiece of mystery...
.....especially I would like to know how our bright chap Naqsh understands these verses.
my dear Kal -- there is a `translation` of this Surah in Bhagavad Gita (11 hundred years earlier):
You are the One Creator of all the worlds,
and of that which moves and that which does not move,
You alone are fit for worship, You are the highest Teacher,
In all the worlds there is none equal to You.
- Bhagavad-Gita 11:43
but even that doesn`t do the justice to the intellectual heights of these astounding verses....:)
.....especially I would like to know how our bright chap Naqsh understands these verses.
my dear Kal -- there is a `translation` of this Surah in Bhagavad Gita (11 hundred years earlier):
You are the One Creator of all the worlds,
and of that which moves and that which does not move,
You alone are fit for worship, You are the highest Teacher,
In all the worlds there is none equal to You.
- Bhagavad-Gita 11:43
but even that doesn`t do the justice to the intellectual heights of these astounding verses....:)
#121 Posted by philosopher on February 4, 2007 3:01:50 pm
nasah;
MEANING OF TAUHEED;
GOD is one
`` There is none worthy of worship besides Allah,
He has no partner.
His is the Kingdom
and for Him is all praise.
He gives life and causes death.
In His hands is all good.
And He has power over everything. ``
Allah! There is no deity save Him, the Alive, the Eternal. Neither slumber nor sleep overtaketh Him. Unto Him belongeth whatsoever is in the heavens and whatsoever is in the earth. Who is he that intercedeth with Him save by His leave? He knoweth that which is in front of them and that which is behind them, while they encompass nothing of His knowledge save what He will. His throne includeth the heavens and the earth, and He is never weary of preserving them. He is the Sublime, the Tremendous.``2:255
I was an agnostic a couple years back but these magical words of the glorious Quran just captivate my soul.i just can not come out of this magic.
regards
MEANING OF TAUHEED;
GOD is one
`` There is none worthy of worship besides Allah,
He has no partner.
His is the Kingdom
and for Him is all praise.
He gives life and causes death.
In His hands is all good.
And He has power over everything. ``
Allah! There is no deity save Him, the Alive, the Eternal. Neither slumber nor sleep overtaketh Him. Unto Him belongeth whatsoever is in the heavens and whatsoever is in the earth. Who is he that intercedeth with Him save by His leave? He knoweth that which is in front of them and that which is behind them, while they encompass nothing of His knowledge save what He will. His throne includeth the heavens and the earth, and He is never weary of preserving them. He is the Sublime, the Tremendous.``2:255
I was an agnostic a couple years back but these magical words of the glorious Quran just captivate my soul.i just can not come out of this magic.
regards
#122 Posted by mohar11 on February 4, 2007 5:35:07 pm
Re: # 121
[....I was an agnostic a couple years back but these magical words of the glorious Quran just captivate my soul.i just can not come out of this magic...]
Damn, a born-again paki...
[....I was an agnostic a couple years back but these magical words of the glorious Quran just captivate my soul.i just can not come out of this magic...]
Damn, a born-again paki...
#123 Posted by KaalChakra on February 4, 2007 5:40:13 pm
Thanks Naqshbandi, philosopher, ustruly, and particularly, nasah ji. Since Tauheed is so central to Islam, it will be great to understand it as clearly and specifically as possible. In addition, does Islam/Quran also preach the concept that Naqsh called tawheed: Allah is the only true god/God? Is tawheed a different concept from tauheed, or was Naqsh just pulling my leg? :) Thanks in advance.
#124 Posted by philosopher on February 4, 2007 6:22:16 pm
Re: # 123kaalchakra sahib
you are the most serious man i have seen on this site.i realy respect you friend.
[does Islam/Quran also preach the concept that Naqsh called tawheed: Allah is the only true god/God?]
as for as your Question is concerned;well off course Quran and islam do teach tauheed that naqashbandi has mentioned.
Allah is only the arabic word for God almighty.its not that Allah is different God.
the glorious Quran says;Call HIM by rehmaan or raheem,to HIM belong all the beautifull names.
some people have misconception that its different god from God.the arabic Quran is only the verbal menifestation of the ``insparational revelation`` that our beloved prophet[pbuh] got from Allah, symbolised by the angel gabriel[the reflection of Allah] so that even an ordinary man can understand it.
we use arabic words only because the prophet`s intution is menifested in it not coz its a sacred language.
Religious language is symbolic by nature.Quran itself has made a very important distinction between ``categorical verses and allegorical verses``in sura 3:7.
All the verses describing transcendental reality are allegorical like;hell , paradise,angels,jins,satan,so that even a layman can understand these concepts.
regards.
you are the most serious man i have seen on this site.i realy respect you friend.
[does Islam/Quran also preach the concept that Naqsh called tawheed: Allah is the only true god/God?]
as for as your Question is concerned;well off course Quran and islam do teach tauheed that naqashbandi has mentioned.
Allah is only the arabic word for God almighty.its not that Allah is different God.
the glorious Quran says;Call HIM by rehmaan or raheem,to HIM belong all the beautifull names.
some people have misconception that its different god from God.the arabic Quran is only the verbal menifestation of the ``insparational revelation`` that our beloved prophet[pbuh] got from Allah, symbolised by the angel gabriel[the reflection of Allah] so that even an ordinary man can understand it.
we use arabic words only because the prophet`s intution is menifested in it not coz its a sacred language.
Religious language is symbolic by nature.Quran itself has made a very important distinction between ``categorical verses and allegorical verses``in sura 3:7.
All the verses describing transcendental reality are allegorical like;hell , paradise,angels,jins,satan,so that even a layman can understand these concepts.
regards.
#125 Posted by nasah on February 4, 2007 7:16:48 pm
Kal -- the real translation for YOU......:
I (Allah) am the ONE (Ahad) -- I am the ABSOLUTE (the Samad) -- I am not born of any (lum yalid) nor any is born of me (wa lum yoolud) -- that is ( I have no beginning I have no end) -- I am the Kull (ALL in ONE) and I am the Ahad (ONE in ALL).
and this is the Tawheed/Tauheed of intellectual Islam........not the mullah Islam.......:)
I (Allah) am the ONE (Ahad) -- I am the ABSOLUTE (the Samad) -- I am not born of any (lum yalid) nor any is born of me (wa lum yoolud) -- that is ( I have no beginning I have no end) -- I am the Kull (ALL in ONE) and I am the Ahad (ONE in ALL).
and this is the Tawheed/Tauheed of intellectual Islam........not the mullah Islam.......:)
#126 Posted by Urstruly on February 4, 2007 8:39:10 pm
Re: # 125
This is wrong translation. In the correct version Allah addresses Himself as a third person singular and not the first person. The correct translation is the one that Philosopher poted in one of his earlier post.
This is wrong translation. In the correct version Allah addresses Himself as a third person singular and not the first person. The correct translation is the one that Philosopher poted in one of his earlier post.
#127 Posted by KaalChakra on February 4, 2007 8:43:28 pm
Beautiful! What a wonderful verse praising the infiniteness of god in time and space....
How did that utterly compelling idea get translated into ``there is only one true god and his name is allah?!``
How did that utterly compelling idea get translated into ``there is only one true god and his name is allah?!``
#128 Posted by KaalChakra on February 4, 2007 8:48:23 pm
Urstruly
Does the Quran use the word tauheed and explain what it is? What meaning/explaination is provided?
Does the Quran use the word tauheed and explain what it is? What meaning/explaination is provided?
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