Muharram 10: ’Ashura: Commemorating Imam Hussain- The Prince of Martyrs

as for the 1000 rakah -- it is not plausible for maudoodites, yazidis, nasibis and other gustaakhs and wahabis but for the awliya of Allah he makes it easy for them. imam abu hanifa and imam zayn al abidin also used to pray 1000 rakah per night (from isha to fajr); of course shibli baymaani doesn`t believe it either. abu jahl didn`t believe in the miraj of the prophet either.
abu bakr alayhisalam did--which is why he is called as-siddiq.

from the aqeedah tahawiyyah--which is also taught in your madrassahs:

`` we believe in the karamaat of the awliya``

Naqsh, you were on the right track with this “pearls before swine” analogy … even as it applies forward as well as backward ...

Urstruly, are you going to put up with this?? Look now, he is calling you and your ullema lowly names. Like I’ve maintained, you simply can’t trust these Ahle-Sunnah Ala Hazrat Imam Malik Wallahu Barelvi Sufian-e-karam W`ahle-ba`it traditional Hanafi bastards …

BTW, if the Prophet can fly at night to meet Allah and Moses can part the ocean … a wali can surely offer 1,000 rakats in one night … no? Your 16-hour calculation is impressive … but isn’t that kind of analysis a sign of weakness of faith?? Perhaps time stands still when a wali is offering prayers? No? Just a thought …

For Kaalchakra, urstruly (despite my earlier outburst), nasah and all others interested.

This is a beautiful, traditional Sunni-Sufi exegesis of the beautiful verses quoted earlier from Surah Ikhlas by a direct descendent of the Beloved Messenger (sal Allahu alayhi wa sallam), Shaykh Muhammad ibn Yahya al-Ninowy. It is in English:

sattar...urstruly is like a brother and sometimes brothers argue and even fight and use harsh words

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it is all out of my love for him...Allah guide us all....but internecine fights happen and it doesn`t give outsiders like you the right to butt in. so please keep your qadianis opinions to yourself.

Naqsh,

If this is love, then I guess shia-sunni riots are merely brothers loving each other a bit too much. What can I say ... ?

… after 1400 years of Islam, you two morons are still cussing each other over its first article of faith. And you have another 35-or-so articles to go. Multiply this over 70+ sects and 1400 years of degeneration, and you get the picture. When will this nonsense end? Pass the halwa please (and load the AK47) …

… no wonder ummah is going to the dogs …

Naqsh, furthermore …

Your ullema are imprisoning Ahmadis for practicing Islam, and you think I need to mind my business! Are you nuts? It is these fucking haramee ullema who need to mind their business …

… and I am on your side on the Mansur al-Hallaj issue. I see no reason to kill a person who claims to have achieved Oneness with the Almighty. It is between him and Allah, and he has the right to proclaim any connection he feels with God.

And get this …

… it is your own brother in faith, Urstruly, who supports execution of Mansur al-Hallaj. And this is probably what he himself would have ordered if he was presiding over the trial. And you consider this leech your brother in faith ...?

... get real, you idiot …!

``and I am on your side on the Mansur al-Hallaj issue.`` (Sattar)

Sattar sahib -- you may include me as well -- minus the expletives.....:)

Naqshbandi

I do not consider brelvi aqaid (ways) to be wrong because in some cases Ijtehad done to carry them out has served their purpose. For example, an Ijtehad by early sufis and ulema to matmorph the local hindu rites and customs into their Islamic versions have worked very well. For example, replacing Diwali with Shab-Bara`t, incorporating Hindu funeral and wedding rites in Muslim rites; and changing the hindu tradition of bhajjan into Quwali has helped spread the message of Tauheed to the far and wide corner of the Hindustan and elsewhere. But such ijtehad needed tremendous amount of control and overseeing by ulema and sufis which over the years have deteriorated. Hence these very rituals are replacing the core belif system of Islam. For example, an ordinary person with minimal education considers Quwali to be a valid form of worship; which it is absolutely not. The only valid worship is that which was taught by Holy Prophet (pbuh).

With the changing and shrinking world the ijtehad that sufis and ulema did about a 1000 years ago is losing its benefit and doing more harm than good. So there is a need to revert back to the core of the Islamic teaching so that we become a cohesive unit as the the geography is shriking. There is a greater need for us to revert back to Qura`n and Hadith and re-interpret them as new Ijtehad. The Ijtehad that was done 1000 years ago served its purpose very well and so should the new Ijtehad.

I hope this will help you understand my position.

nasah,

… don’t be down on expletives … they succinctly sum up a range of complex emotions and bring a man in harmony with the topic at hand, thus crystallizing erudite metaphors and myriad of salient allegories from deep subliminal human consciousness into revelations fitting for scholars and visionaries. Did you write this down ... ?

Here’s an example: In #168 Ustruly is grappling with subtle issues, trying to appear reasonable so as not to piss off this brother in faith … while actually drawing a sharp ideological distinction between Brelvi aqaid and Maudoodiite viewpoint. I foretold Urstruly’s position very early on, in #30 … where I basically summed it up as … ``Naqsh, fuck you`` …

I hope it is now clear …

Naqsh,

I cut through Ustruly’s bs to summarize his point …

”… we will continue to hang, stone, and behead your divines just like we did Mansur al-Hallaj. Soon it will be your turn if you don’t straighten yourself out …insha’allah …”

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Urstruly, you are a sick man, a pathetic soul …

People like you poisoned Socrates, chased Aristotle out of Athens, tortured Galileo, ganged up against Muhammad, crucified Jesus, killed Imam Hussain, executed Mansur al-Hallaj, and much more …

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And you both refer to each other as “brother in faith” …
……………… no wonder ummah is going to the dogs …

i`m afraid urstruly i don`t buy your argument--however good your intentions; under the slogan of `lets go back to quran and hadith` wahabis of all forms--and lets not be PC here, mawdoodi was basically a wahabi, ahle hadith are wahabis, deobandis too are moderate wahabis in aqaid...all these people have in common belittling traditional islam of ahlus sunnah as `common man`s islam`, `shirk` etc. when the reality is that this is the real islam which is practised from morocco to indonesia in the majority even now.

that is why i dont have time for salafists or salafi sympathisers. you are a clever guy, a sincere guy, who i believe wishes well for muslims. therefore i urge you to go and find yourself a shaykh or read the books of al ghazali.

leave israar ahmed and others of his ilk in their darkness.

the reality is all the awliya of islam have ALL been on the aqeeda of ahlus sunnah as representee by the sunni MASSES of the world till this day. which is why in every single muslim country the majority of the muslims visit the graves of the saints, ask for intercession, read durood, say YA RASOOL Allah, do milad and so on. From Morocco to Indonesia it is the case.

Naqsh,

… I totally agree … these salafi bastards are not worth the time. And neither are these wahabhis … be them ahle hadith or deobandis. These lufangae baaz poke fun at teachings of sufi auliyyan-e-karam … and refuse to visit graves of pirs or ask for their intercession… tauba, tauba …

… yes indeed, true Islam lies with Ahle-Sunnah Ala Hazrat Imam Malik Wallahu Barelvi Sufian-e-karam W`ahle ba`it traditional Hanafis … something I’ve been saying all along … I am glad we agree ...

Re: # 172

Only if sattariiiyyyyaaaa`s parents hugged him a lil more he wudn`t be this annoying. Abbay dheett, noone even finds u worthy enough to address ur insanities so shut up already. Koii baatt karayy na karayy bidanand bachoon kii tarah beachh meinn kood parta hayy nalayiq.

Naqshbandi

When Holy Prophet (pbuh) started his mission in Mecca, the pagans, the Quresh, and the people of the book had only one response - ``how could we be wrong; our ancestors had been doing the same thing since forever; our traditions can`t be wrong``. But when Holy Prophet (pbuh) presented them with irrefutable arguments, you know, how did they respond? They started abusing him, cursing him, and called him a sorceror.

I would very humbly, as a brother, point you to your own behavior. Do you see any parallel here?First you take refuge behind the tradition of ``our ancestors - our auliya`` and then you start cussing those who invite you to nothing but the righteous ways of Qura`n and Hadith. Your anger would have been justified had I tried to misguide you into any other thing but Qura`n and Hadith; but your anger is not because of that but it is because I am asking you to question the way of your ancestors.

Please keep in mind that our only ancestor should be Holy Prophet (pbuh) and no one else, and our only Guilding Light should be Qura`n and nothing else. Don`t you see, when you have these two, everything and every Moududi, Abdulwahab, Ahmad reza khan, and shibli become irrelevant? Every label becomes meaningless?

Urstruly,

I told you … don’t fall for this soft sufi side of Naqsh. The guy is a badmaash of highest order. This berather-shirader thing he keeps uttering is just to confuse pious wahabis. But I am glad you see through it ...

... and that Mansur guy got what he deserved. The bugger asked for it … damn straight! I say we hang a few more of them hallucinating sufis who invoke god’s name in vain. That ought to teach them Brelvis a lesson … I kid you not ... I too hate those bastards …

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Re #173 … no seriously, who named you abu_safwaan …??

Urstruly (re #174),

You criticized naqsh’s thinking as follows …

``how could we be wrong; our ancestors had been doing the same thing since forever; our traditions can`t be wrong`` …

And …

”… I am asking you to question the way of your ancestors …”

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Replace ancestors with ullema, and it sums up my criticism of your views. Got it, little genius?

In almost all our arguments, your final defense has been to insist …so many of our ullema throughout history can’t be wrong, so Ahmadis must be wrong.

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You and Naqsh are one and same. He looks up to his ancestors, you to your ullema … both violate Quran, both are devoid of reason and integrity.

On the other hand Naqsh is not the bloodthirsty animal that you are … and that perhaps is the difference between two of you … (although I am not sure what to make of this goon, abu safwaan, here …)