Youth Educating for Peace

Identity violence is the root cause though it is some time manifested in other ways in different garb...be it ,Going in Karbala ,Palestine and the association with Jerusalem.....maoist of nepal region, naxalites, LTTE,verappan of the dispossed..Regionalism,lingual division religous differences is rampant and poitically used for econmic asdvantage or just exert one self for self respect.....sure awareness and education is the answer but majority of the world in fact not in listening mood...from African tribes to Asian states to middle east

Shah2, the root ``root cause`` may not be identity violence but violent identity.

see how many folks are for -- ``Youth Educating for Peace`` -- 2 posters and 127 interactors -- that`s all.....!

as Akbar Parayagi would say:

Boot Dawson nay banaya meiN nay ek mazmooN likha
meraa mazmooN ruh geya hur turf joota chal geya

One manifestatonof Violent identity

VHP, bajrang dal, shiva sena do have violent identities.

tolkinin, IMO, the thing to remember is that identity violence doesn`t just happen. It arises from the sharp edges in our identities. Sharp edges that are quick to cut on fairly small touches.

#5 Kalji lets not hair split between Violent Identity and Identity Violence after all ,all Identity can give rise to violence yet NOT all identities do,its like potential ....All whites are not rascist but those who wear there whiteness on there sleeves are...There was much more violence pre MartinLuther King against followers of Martin King then

``All identities can give rise to violence, yet not all identities do, its like potential...........``

Precisely, there is far greater potential for violence in some identities than in others. R K Mission is much less likely to be involved in violence against others than Bajrang Dal or Shiva Sena, for instance.

The potential for violence is directly related to the degree of contrast between images of the self and of others, and positive orientation toward violence as a means of solving problems between self and others.

(MLK both helped narrow the distance between (self images of) whites and blacks and delegitimated the use of violence.)

Again, not all identities are equally violent. Some are much more violent than others.

Utopian philosophy of Gandhi on nonviolence has been violated by his own state people so has islams universal colourless boundries have been violted and ignored...i wish people rose above the selfish tribal instinct and become more tolerent but look around you reality is otherwise...

tolkinin, ideologies/philosophies matter. They decisively shape people`s behavioral tendencies (hence actual group behavior over time).

In India those who call themselves ``Gandhian`` are generally much more peaceful than those who have no time for Gandhi (say, committed believers in the philosophy of Hindutva).

Islam`s ``universal colorless boundaries`` have had a real and huge impact. They have helped Islam spread far and wide, in all places, and among all races. They also constantly energize something that to nonMuslims seems like a terribly outdated and unfair concept - an ummah - the political brotherhood of Muslims in dealing with nonMuslims, an aspect that is not always to the liking of many Muslims themselves. But then ideas exist above and independent of specific individuals.

Saying that all ideologies are equal in every way, or are equally peaceful or violent, goes against both reason and empirical evidence.

Basically, if one wants to ``educate children for peace`` (and one can argue that peace is not an intrinsically important value) then one has to start teaching ideas/supporting ideologies that emphasize essential human brotherhood and mutual respect between differing groups.

!0``something that to nonMuslims seems like a terribly outdated and unfair concept - an ummah - the political brotherhood of Muslims in dealing with nonMuslims, an aspect that is not always ``

I do not know if ALL muslims or followers of Islam are culprit or can be guilty of the crime of some....Just as India can blame it on Hindutva,Whites can on KKK so Muslims persay do not discriminate towards Nonmuslims as you will bear during the 1000yrs rule in india by several dynasties (who were nominally muslims only)did not do more than build casteles taj and jama masjid hardly a atrocety towards non muslms when left the majority indians as majority..compare that to spanish inquisition when the christians totally annihlated muslims there from the map of Spain...

#10 In case i have not been so specific there is difference betwen conquering looting chengis khan and even ottoman empire

and spiritual aspect of Islam which itself peance peace in arabic....
Testimony to that is christians and Jews never had any problem with the way they were treated by muslims
... compare to how coloniser treated them later....

Also exclude the political use of religion responsible for wrong doing,,,,

tolkinin

Hindus/Muslims aren`t going to discriminate any more or less than the other or others. It`s discriminatory ideas/notions that have to be stopped being taught and supported, like the brotherhood and the privileges of the caste, apartheid etc. The same white man/brahmin who behaved one way under apartheid will behave differently once apartheid/caste system is no longer accepted as the natural order of things. And those who try to will receive not the same old rewards from society but unacceptably high costs.

Address bad ideas. Human beings will follow.

Tolkinin

See, this is what people will have to decide on their own.

Good ideas are great. They are not the problem.

But are there, in addition, ideas that destroy inter-group peace? That promote discriminatory associating and politicking against other groups?

If there are, then - if peace is a value - those should be addressed. If there are no such ideas, then there is no problem to begin with.

Really, ideas are the only things that will either change matters or not.

#13 &14 So the idea of peace should be enough to achieve it ....

what about injustices how long should the untouchables wait to be considered equal...

I have the notion the ideas of peace is not the same for all...

there might be just as own experiences of iNJUSTICES SO DOES THE ideas OF PEACE AND JUSTICE DIFFER....

jUSTICE AND PEACE GOES TOGETHER AND IDEAS TO achieve them are many....

Justice >peace>ideas

Good point. For sometime now there has been a sense that a fundamental gulf separates two completely different ways of looking at the world. The divide that makes almost all honest conversation across it fruitless, and ultimately bitter for both sides (since most people end up blaming individuals instead of the logic or ideas).

Should peace be taught on its own terms, and THEN people be encouraged to create just conditions? This is, for want of a better expression, human beings pursue peace-based morality.

Or should justice be required first, and THEN peace be promoted? This is, again, for want of a better expression, should we try to create justice-based morality?

Not surprisingly, my own conclusions, for what they are worth, are that the latter approach is completely delusional: it will bring neither justice nor peace, ever, anywhere. On the contrary, it is an unfailing recipe for a society based on little morality other than the constant oppression of the weak by the strong, of women by men, of minorities by majority, of heretics by the mainstream. Such a society will see no peace other than the peace of the dead.

You don`t have to agree with that view....