What Ails the BPO Industry in Pakistan?

Re: # 122

Looks like Mohar has a terrible life he is living that he has to live vicariously through the successes of ``Tata`` and failures of some ``pakis`` in London...

didnt i find the solution to kashmir 7 years ago on chowk? why are we still discussing it?

Re: # 126

I think the solution of Kashmir lies in improvisation on the status quo. Pakistani establishment is actually quite happy with the status quo on kashmir for many different reasons... and truth be told is hated second only to the Indians by the Kashmiris themselves.

We`ve learnt a hard lesson putting up our ``Muslim`` brothers the Afghans - all 3 million of them- for over two decades... many of them don`t want to leave and yet persist on cursing us, the only country that has done something for them.... so why should we imagine the Kashmiris (independent Kashmir that is) would be any different. Instead the solution lies in maximum autonomy to Indian held Kashmir and Azad Kashmir (with their current borders as they stand today in both states) within India and Pakistan respectively, porous borders and demilitarisation on both sides.

India and Pakistan need to let bygones be bygones... accept that while both might have legal and moral claims that maybe justified by one thing or the other ... that ultimately we must accept whatever little we can on both sides.

#124 by bulleya on January 31, 2007 7:26am PT
``....kashmir is already lost for india.....one needs to accept reality.....i am, at times, totally amazed by the lack of acceptance of realities, amongst various indians and pakistanis.....i think pakistanis should open up for business with indian and indians should now accept the fact that they cannot continue forcefully holding onto kashmir, and must agree to the wishes of the kashmiris and starting softening its stance........ ``

incase india and pakistan give up on kashmir, do u think an independent kashmiri nation will be able to survive. and kashmiri nation will only consist of the valley...because jammu with majority hindu and ladhak with majority buddhist will not join the independent nation.

any sloution to kashmir will have to be within the perview of indian and pakistan.

rgds,

devkant.

#123 by Mantolives on January 31, 2007 7:18am PT

reasonable post. i agree with most of it.

(now don`t go a wild trip calling me names)

rgds,

devkant.

anil #77: ``When this change happens, terror looses institutionalization of terror against India. A big win for India, especially if India does not loose Kashmir in the process...``

its the last line in your argument that has caused most of the problems in south asia.....india will, at some stage, have to give up on such rigid thinking...this is the basis of all the violence and terrorism - most of which is state terrorism from india in kashmir....

just out of curiousity, what do you think it will take to move indians away from this rigid line of thinking...as i don`t see any peace occuring as long as, ``not loosing`` kashmir is the strategy for india......

....kashmir is already lost for india.....one needs to accept reality.....i am, at times, totally amazed by the lack of acceptance of realities, amongst various indians and pakistanis.....i think pakistanis should open up for business with indian and indians should now accept the fact that they cannot continue forcefully holding onto kashmir, and must agree to the wishes of the kashmiris and starting softening its stance........

Ranjit,

Illuminating bits in a rather mediocre post...

`The hope is that Pakistan will reconcile itself to this situation, emulate India as much as it can and try to get ``spillover`` business.`

I agree that in the BPO sector this is the best scenario and probably not bad over all either. If people were to just realise that the ``spill over`` business itself will be sizeable for our significantly smaller population... they would know that we have a good thing going.

I expect- if reasonableness and calm prevails in general- to see China with an Economy worth US $ 25 trillion and India around 12-13 trillion by 2015-2025 and the US at 20-30 trillion ... if Pakistan plays its cards right .... i.e. peace and normalcy with India and status quo with China and United States... regardless of what ``international image`` we ``Pakis`` will have an economy of between US$ 1-2 trillion which will be more than enough for Pakistan`s progress provided we can tackle the issues of population and energy ... Pakistan`s problems- and the fauji-lovers won`t like me for this- start and end with our utter disregard for a constitutional disposition and long term institutional stability i.e. transtition of power and compact between various provinces of the federation.

The mood here is very much to get on with the programme, do business and strengthen ourselves economically and politically... a growing realisation that all wars of the future are of ideas and economies has seeped into Pakistanis... even the most hard core and radical of the Islamists have now come to this realisation. It no longer matters whether ABC worships Ghaznavi, Ghauri or Babur... ABC wants to play ball.

Anil Mian`

Consider this: The day Indians closed their biggest overseas takeover deal of $10bn in London, a bunch of pakis were arrested for planning to behead a british soldier in video...

So Anil mian - pakis are what they are, they ain`t going to be ``normal`` in any sense of the word... you are old and you should be much worldly wiser, you should know that you can`t work with people who have taken every opportunity in past to make nuisance for you and will continue to do so, there is no indication whatsover that things will be different...

Once bitten twice shy... in case of people like you and DM, no matter how many times you are bitten, you just refuse to learn... un-f****ing-believable... I am sorry to say this: but please stop that kind of stupidity right now...

Lets face it. We have an issue at hand that has to do much with our education system, the HEC that regulates and partols the professional education and lasly, the opportunities our businessmen create for BPO.

Still some groups like Streaming Networks, A or R etc are doing very well. There must be many more but these come to mind.

Cheerios

Re: # 118

The fundamental issue here is that anything positive about Pakistan will most definitely put a metaphorical red chilly up metaphorical Indian rear orifice. This is experience of having argued with them for 8 years speaking really...

Ofcourse... there are many Indians and Indian businessmen - I have met some fine human beings among them... like Ramalinga Raju... but these are few and far between... Most of them are obsessed with smashing Pakistan.

A ``prosperous Pakistan`` is in their interest and on their lips... but their heart breeds only blackness of the worst kind.

`` ll appereciate if we can keep our discussions on this point, instead of this `My country is better than Yours` arguments. ``

WELCOME TO CHOWK NOMAN SAHAB.

rgds,

devkant.

Friends,

I would request you good people to suggest ways to improve the BPO industry in Pakistan.

Romar is of the opinion that the only way out is to work on improving ties with India and hope for the spill-over work.

I think the situation between Pakistan and India would take sometime to improve to the point where we can see Joint ventures. To me BPO / ITeS is more about poeple and less about geo-politics. I really think the whole issue of extremism can be tackled with increasing job oppertunities and reducing poverty. BPO industry surely can help in this, specially in Pakistan with so many educated yet jobless youth just ruining the lives.

I ll appereciate if we can keep our discussions on this point, instead of this `My country is better than Yours` arguments.

Kind regards
Noman

Dear Harish mian,

Your claims are non-starters as I was merely responding to the claims by Indians that there are no Pakistanis employed by organisations like Microsoft. Hence your hogwash, which is a grudge you are nursing really, is of no importance here.



Majumdar,

``Can you tell me something more about HUBCO``

http://www.hubpower.com/nhubco/

Manto mian,

(Please recall HUBCO in Pakistan which was at one time the largest in Asia.... I think judging by that I`d say Pakistan has a pretty decent record even at its own cost. )

Can you tell me something more about HUBCO. Choice of fuels etc.

IMHO, this business of govts dishonouring PPAs can be done away with by simply privatising all power companies and let all producers, transmitters and distributors fending for themselves in the market place.

Regards

In between, Yasser tried to pass off some unknown Pakis working in mid-level positions at Microsoft as ``bigshots``. Compared with the Indians at Microsoft, these Pakis were not even half way down the chain. Poor guy, shot off his mouth once too often and has been desperately trying to cover up this monumental gaffe since then..without any luck.

#111 by Yasser

As for Pakistani engineers... you yourself claimed to have worked with them in the US...

But it was not I who claimed that ``tens of thousands of Paki engineers were working for major US companies``, you did. So where are they? Or was that in some hash-induced daze that you made that absurd claim?