Noman Faisal January 29, 2007
#161 Posted by jang on January 31, 2007 1:30:26 pm
We all know about paki real-long term policy which involves the life hereafter, so jee lets not go there.
#160 Posted by DrDr on January 31, 2007 1:28:00 pm
#157 exactly. zee, what is pakistan`s official policy wrto economy, foreign trade & industrilaization that u r echoing?
#159 Posted by bongdongs on January 31, 2007 1:25:20 pm
#156
yes!
they are not in slums because of poverty, I bet 80% of slum dwellers in Mumbai are well above the official urban poverty line. It is because a irrational urban development policy has made housing unaffordable for them.
yes!
they are not in slums because of poverty, I bet 80% of slum dwellers in Mumbai are well above the official urban poverty line. It is because a irrational urban development policy has made housing unaffordable for them.
#158 Posted by concerned1 on January 31, 2007 1:23:05 pm
calcutta and bombay must be part of pakistan then...
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2003/07/07/MN269368.DTL
According to a 2002 report by the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan: ``At least 40 percent of the urban population lives in slums, which in many cases lack sanitation, drinking water or any basic amenities -- leaving residents exposed to acute health hazards.``
http://meero.worldvision.org/sf_pakistan.php
Pakistan`s majestic fortresses bear witness to a country in deep poverty, where more than a third of children under five are underweight. A shocking 30-35 women die everyday from pregnancy related complications. Half the population is illiterate and more than 40% of the population is under 15.
Pakistan is ranked 142 on the Human Development Index, compared to India 118 and Uganda 146. United Nations Development Programme.
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2003/07/07/MN269368.DTL
According to a 2002 report by the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan: ``At least 40 percent of the urban population lives in slums, which in many cases lack sanitation, drinking water or any basic amenities -- leaving residents exposed to acute health hazards.``
http://meero.worldvision.org/sf_pakistan.php
Pakistan`s majestic fortresses bear witness to a country in deep poverty, where more than a third of children under five are underweight. A shocking 30-35 women die everyday from pregnancy related complications. Half the population is illiterate and more than 40% of the population is under 15.
Pakistan is ranked 142 on the Human Development Index, compared to India 118 and Uganda 146. United Nations Development Programme.
#157 Posted by jang on January 31, 2007 1:22:36 pm
jeemax,
from what i understand from my chinese collegues, there is no communism (safety net) left in china..no healthcare, no housing guarantee, no job guarantee, or for that matter no guarantee of retaining your home if it comes in the way of new construction. so i dont understand what you are talking about? these are eyewitness accounts. the chinese are selling their soul, environment and children.
so while pakistan (according to you) methodically forgoes lowly BPOs (because it will widen rich-poor gap presumably), what alternative grand scheme is it currently deploying? soviet-style 5 year plan mega-projects, grand housing schemes for the masses, communes, what?
from what i understand from my chinese collegues, there is no communism (safety net) left in china..no healthcare, no housing guarantee, no job guarantee, or for that matter no guarantee of retaining your home if it comes in the way of new construction. so i dont understand what you are talking about? these are eyewitness accounts. the chinese are selling their soul, environment and children.
so while pakistan (according to you) methodically forgoes lowly BPOs (because it will widen rich-poor gap presumably), what alternative grand scheme is it currently deploying? soviet-style 5 year plan mega-projects, grand housing schemes for the masses, communes, what?
#156 Posted by zeemax on January 31, 2007 1:19:04 pm
#155 by bongdongs
So 60% of Bombay population defecates on the roadside or along the rail tracks because they`re not `poor` but because of political reasons?
So 60% of Bombay population defecates on the roadside or along the rail tracks because they`re not `poor` but because of political reasons?
#155 Posted by bongdongs on January 31, 2007 1:15:06 pm
Bombay is they way it is, because of flawed government policy set by a apathetic state government more interesting in winning votes in rural maharastra than running the city.
it is not because mumbaikars are poor!
Another excellent article by Andy Mukherjee ...
Why Rich Mumbai Has Such Appalling Real Estate
it is not because mumbaikars are poor!
Another excellent article by Andy Mukherjee ...
Why Rich Mumbai Has Such Appalling Real Estate
#154 Posted by arjun2 on January 31, 2007 1:08:40 pm
zeemax` babblings are straight out of the paki playbook...under the sour grapes section..
they tried as hard as they could(and are STILL trying) to get on the IT bandwagon and when they were miserable failures at it, they say they didn`t want to get in anyway...
they begged repeatedly for a nuclear deal and when they were smacked down, they said they didn`t want it and India was screwed because of the deal(a deal they really tried to get)...
they tried as hard as they could(and are STILL trying) to get on the IT bandwagon and when they were miserable failures at it, they say they didn`t want to get in anyway...
they begged repeatedly for a nuclear deal and when they were smacked down, they said they didn`t want it and India was screwed because of the deal(a deal they really tried to get)...
#153 Posted by zeemax on January 31, 2007 1:06:23 pm
contd....#151 by zeemax #149 by DrDr
.....so what you see of China is just 10% of what China is all about ...
.....so what you see of China is just 10% of what China is all about ...
#152 Posted by zeemax on January 31, 2007 1:04:34 pm
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#151 Posted by zeemax on January 31, 2007 12:59:21 pm
#149 by DrDr
zee, whats the meaning of communism in todays china?
One Country, two systems. Hong Kong and all the coastal regions are capitalist, while 90% of China is communist just as in Mao`s time.
zee, whats the meaning of communism in todays china?
One Country, two systems. Hong Kong and all the coastal regions are capitalist, while 90% of China is communist just as in Mao`s time.
#150 Posted by concerned1 on January 31, 2007 12:54:39 pm
[I`ve been to Calcutta]
have you been to karachi? or dhaka?
have you been to karachi? or dhaka?
#149 Posted by DrDr on January 31, 2007 12:53:11 pm
zee, whats the meaning of communism in todays china?
#148 Posted by zeemax on January 31, 2007 12:48:07 pm
#147 by concerned1
... of-course you know what I mean ... no need to google for you ... I`ve been to Calcutta.
... of-course you know what I mean ... no need to google for you ... I`ve been to Calcutta.
#147 Posted by concerned1 on January 31, 2007 12:45:56 pm
[...Pakistan does not have starving populations sleeping on the streets...]
just the first link from dr google....am sure arjun can post the pics from here and elsewhere...
http://www.stuff.co.nz/3922031a12.html
STREET LIFE: A boy, with his monkey, eats his food outside a restaurant in Karachi. Breathing in fumes from glue-soaked rags and glue-filled plastic bags is a daily ritual of the more than 14,000 street kids who live rough on the streets of Pakistan`s biggest city
just the first link from dr google....am sure arjun can post the pics from here and elsewhere...
http://www.stuff.co.nz/3922031a12.html
STREET LIFE: A boy, with his monkey, eats his food outside a restaurant in Karachi. Breathing in fumes from glue-soaked rags and glue-filled plastic bags is a daily ritual of the more than 14,000 street kids who live rough on the streets of Pakistan`s biggest city
#146 Posted by zeemax on January 31, 2007 12:39:05 pm
#142 by jang
However Jang, I know what you`re saying. You did pull yourselves up by the bootstraps, and I`m full of admiration for that because Hindustan`s poverty problems are way above those of any country in the entire S.E Region, leave alone Pakistan. Pakistan does not have starving populations sleeping on the streets.
But, If I was to choose a path towards poverty alleviation, it would not be resource allocation to BPO, simply because middle-class service export widens the rich-poor gap instead of narrowing it. And if I was on this path, I would know that I`ve sold my soul to the devil for a pittance.
Hindustan will realize that great mistake it made by reversing Nehruvian Fabian Socialism just because it was out of fashion. China retains its communism, and it will do so for at-least another 41 years down the road (i.e. before its Hong Kong commitment for the one nation, two systems runs out). While Hindustan will face even greater poverty problems.
However Jang, I know what you`re saying. You did pull yourselves up by the bootstraps, and I`m full of admiration for that because Hindustan`s poverty problems are way above those of any country in the entire S.E Region, leave alone Pakistan. Pakistan does not have starving populations sleeping on the streets.
But, If I was to choose a path towards poverty alleviation, it would not be resource allocation to BPO, simply because middle-class service export widens the rich-poor gap instead of narrowing it. And if I was on this path, I would know that I`ve sold my soul to the devil for a pittance.
Hindustan will realize that great mistake it made by reversing Nehruvian Fabian Socialism just because it was out of fashion. China retains its communism, and it will do so for at-least another 41 years down the road (i.e. before its Hong Kong commitment for the one nation, two systems runs out). While Hindustan will face even greater poverty problems.
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