Psychology of Guerrilla War

Zeemax:

I would love to have your comments about the following text that I read. It is from a speech given to graduating seniors at a high school.



“our shared humanity gets savagely challenged when our differences are narrowed into one devised system of uniquely powerful categorization”. I really want you to remember that piece of wisdom. In fact I will repeat it. I want you to be naturally skeptical of anyone who claims access to an absolute truth that goes beyond personal belief and is extended into a value system which is deemed good for all others if only they would see the light. Fundamentalism in all its forms is the enemy of enlightenment and enlightenment ultimately is based on our appreciation and understanding of the plurality and infinite subtlety of the human condition.”

Re .. #90 by zeemax

... maggots, cockroaches, rats, vermin are not winged creatures ... so surely you must believe in them. Do you?

Please respond.

Re: #89 by zeemax

C`mon Hamidm .. tell me ... what do you believe in? Surely it must be maggots which will be born in your own very flesh and feed upon themselves stripping you to the bone. And, there`ll be cockroaches, rats, vermin, each trying to take their share from the maggots.

Will that be it for you? All that you worked and toiled and debated for? Is that it?

Pray tell ..

#86 by hamidm2

Sure you believe in none of those.

Do you believe in maggots which will devour your body in the grave? And then, you`ll be no more?

#85 by Tehsinabbasi

I see. Ok I read your whole post.

Stay well my friend. I wish you the best. But you are ignorant. Learn!

Cheers.

.....contd.....

....and these are girls. Don`t even think about the boys when they go on this warpath.

It`ll be very scary.

Re: # 83


sorry zeemax - i have absolutely no regard for the `sensitivities` of other people if they involve winged creatures, tooth fairies, virgin mothers, flying monkeys, talking ants, suicide bombers or vegetarianism .............

#35 by zeemax

Pardonez moi Monsieur! How utterly thoughtless of me to have neglected your question and of course you know exactly why – because your elegant manner and strength of argumentation renders me speechless.

But as you have so eloquently predicted, I will true to form try to cover my ass.

Let me make my point again, perhaps your eloquence will get it this time. I was lamenting the fact that by robbing caravans and committing bandit raids the Prophet legitimized banditry and piracy for us Muslims and this has been the greatest crime that has been perpetrated against us. For this I gave several examples. But was banditry the only motivation, of course not! I neither said this nor implied it in any way (just like you had correctly predicted I am covering my ass).

Before answering your question about Mecca lets take an earlier raid against Banu al-Mustaliq, this occurred during the 6th year of the hijra. In this “God granted the Prophet many captives men, women and children along with their goods as booty”. But guess what? Juwayriyah the daughter of the killed chief who was extremely beautiful was part of this booty. She was trying to arrange her ransom and was hoping for the Prophet’s assistance in this matter. But, on seeing her, the Prophet had a much better proposition for her. He would pay her ransom and marry her as well. This altered the situation for the whole Banu al-Mustaliq, from captive slaves they were elevated to “relatives by marriage of the Messenger of God”. A hundred families of the Banu Mustaliq were freed. (google time!!!)

Of course you can claim that bandits would never do this. I concede…. they were bandits with a heart!

Now lets go to the main event – Fatah e Makkah that thou anxiously awaiteh.

When the Quraish were caught in a breach of contract and they felt that the Prophet’s wrath would be upon them, there was great consternation in Mecca. Realizing this Abu Sufyan who also happened to be leader of Mecca came running to Medina to save his city from being ransacked, its men killed, women and children sold in slavery. He went to his own daughter Umm Habibah (one of the Prophet’s wives) she refused to intercede on his behalf, he went to the M of G himself who refused to say anything, neither did Umar Farooq, Fatima or Ali. This made the situation even more precarious. When the Meccans realized that a huge army of over 10000 Muslims was on its way to invade Mecca everything broke. Abu Sufyan converted to Islam so did Abbas and Khalid bin Walid and beyond that there were mass conversions. Before long nearly the whole city had converted. So life just didn’t go on – you see everybody converted. Why destroy something if you can have it for nothing, and have allies to boot.

But for the Prophet it was also important not to obliterate his kin. He had spent his whole life trying to reform them, show them the light and with a good mix of force and instruction it was working. He even honored Abu Sufyan by declaring his home as sanctuary from Muslim reprisals. More importantly though it was the Kaaba the house of worship, the place of pilgrimage which he revered that had to be honored and maintained. So there were many reasons, it is not one-dimensional.

#76 by hamidm2

Yes Hamidm. These women are ALL Master`s degree holders. Do you know why they dress like that? Because you push them. The more you push, the more radicalized they will become. This is an odd thing about Muslims. They`re like `ziddi` children. If you take them to hell with `pyar mohabbat`, they will gladly go. But if you push them to `heaven`, they will kill you.

It all just makes me so sad. Really. You may not believe it but it`s true.

#75 by hamidm2

Ok .. ok Hamidm ... whatever you say ... you know I`ve always had this corner in my heart for you .. I`m sorry.

But do regard sensitivities of others as well.

Thanks.

#73 by SR

If these are your thoughts, maybe you should reconsider your plans to move back to Pakistan.

#79 by hamidm2 on February 12, 2007 8:34am PT


you guys should let the kashmiris go if they don`t like the smell of heeng and coconut oil


the kashmiris are free to go wherever they feel they can practise their ninja arts in peace..

I`ll help them along

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#77 by Tehsinabbasi on February 12, 2007 8:09am PT


Precisely! When the minority feels that they have been treated fairly then the conflict gets resolved.


Apples and oranges...a majority if israelis don`t agree with what a majority of palis want..there aren`t a large number of frenchies trying to blow up the rest of canuckistan..

you`re only putting a righteous spin to it because the islamic party in the dispute is the one that wants the status quo changed...we only need to look at saudi arabia or most other islamic countries to see how accomodating an islamic majority is of the non-islamic minority...

Re: # 77

arjun mian,


...... in case you have trouble reading in between the lines, what tehsin is trying to say is that you guys should let the kashmiris go if they don`t like the smell of heeng and coconut oil ............ and do you really want to hang on to a nation whose women look like the ninjas shown below ? ...... why don`t you give up srinagar and some adjoining orchards and keep the rest - i think most pakis would settle for that ? .............. we should stop acting like the palestinians and the israelis - our grandpa gopinath was a better man than abraham

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#58 by arjun2

“It`s not a conflict because the frenchies who wanted to split had a fair shot and they were in a minority”

Precisely! When the minority feels that they have been treated fairly then the conflict gets resolved. If they feel they have been stiffed then you have trouble. Conclusion, it is incumbent upon the majority to treat the minority fairly even to the extent if they wish to separate. Yes they should make it attractive for them to stay but shouldn’t force them if they so desire.

Had we in Pakistan treated our Bengali brethren fairly when they earned the right to separate if they had so chosen, through a free and fair election, I am quite certain today we wouldn’t have needed a passport to go there.