Education Reform: Signs of Hope
Pervez Hoodbhoy February 12, 2007
#39 Posted by zeemax on February 14, 2007 9:53:38 am
#37 by hamidm2
Hamidm ... let`s put things in the correct perspective. Let`s examine this housing societies thing ... I mean just for argument`s sake ...
The Army has a welfare foundation for it`s retired officers. They went into land development. Correct? Either they would have done it or some Bahria society of Malik Riaz would have done it. The Defence Housing Societies are the only ones where the land is properly developed, the transfers are without fraud/duplicate title etc .. and once you live there, your society office takes care of your hassles re utilities etc without any problems.
Don`t you think Real Eastate Development is important? Who else would you rather have do it? Do people need houses to live in or not?
You come from Pindi. Is lalazar/Satellite Town better or Bahria (fake) town better?
Rgds.
Hamidm ... let`s put things in the correct perspective. Let`s examine this housing societies thing ... I mean just for argument`s sake ...
The Army has a welfare foundation for it`s retired officers. They went into land development. Correct? Either they would have done it or some Bahria society of Malik Riaz would have done it. The Defence Housing Societies are the only ones where the land is properly developed, the transfers are without fraud/duplicate title etc .. and once you live there, your society office takes care of your hassles re utilities etc without any problems.
Don`t you think Real Eastate Development is important? Who else would you rather have do it? Do people need houses to live in or not?
You come from Pindi. Is lalazar/Satellite Town better or Bahria (fake) town better?
Rgds.
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#38 Posted by Urstruly on February 14, 2007 9:38:18 am
Re: # 35
Ally:
A little change in perspective that you are responsible for your actions before Allah and not to your mum or massi, would be a paradigm shift. Once you understand that this responsibility is for your own good and there is no replacement or retake for it, you would be writing on very different issues. As a brother, it is my advice to you that make best use of your time while you have it.
Ally:
A little change in perspective that you are responsible for your actions before Allah and not to your mum or massi, would be a paradigm shift. Once you understand that this responsibility is for your own good and there is no replacement or retake for it, you would be writing on very different issues. As a brother, it is my advice to you that make best use of your time while you have it.
#37 Posted by hamidm2 on February 14, 2007 9:23:02 am
Re: # 36
tahmed,
...... they won some battles and lost some battles, but they didn`t loose a war .......... more importantly, they did not run defence housing `schemes` to loot and pillage their own country ............. difference, no?
tahmed,
...... they won some battles and lost some battles, but they didn`t loose a war .......... more importantly, they did not run defence housing `schemes` to loot and pillage their own country ............. difference, no?
#36 Posted by tahmed32 on February 14, 2007 8:41:06 am
hamidm#29 writes of `` real generals like wavell and auchinleck ``
Wavell disobeyed orders to send troops from north africa, resulting in the fall of Greece to Germans, a pro-Axis group taking over in Iraq, and enabling Germans to send troops to north africa. And so he was replaced by auchinleck.
auchinleck was then sent to India where he presided over the british defeat in south east asia.
Real generals, eh? i think it has more to do with their being gora englishmen than with their military exploits. :-)
Wavell disobeyed orders to send troops from north africa, resulting in the fall of Greece to Germans, a pro-Axis group taking over in Iraq, and enabling Germans to send troops to north africa. And so he was replaced by auchinleck.
auchinleck was then sent to India where he presided over the british defeat in south east asia.
Real generals, eh? i think it has more to do with their being gora englishmen than with their military exploits. :-)
#35 Posted by Ally on February 14, 2007 8:39:17 am
Azizum Urstruly Sahib,
I have wanted to reply to your post for a couple of days however, due to work and time restraints have been unable to.
I agree with you whole hearted that the majority of Pakistan is Muslim and our state religion is Islam. Our children should be educated about the basics of Islam and what it means to be a Muslim. However it would not be beneficial if the education is too biased to Islam, as that is unhealthy, plus being Pakistan we have every kind and more types/sects of Islam, as well as millions of Non-Muslims.
I have just come back from spending a couple of months in Istanbul. It was such a refreshing take on Islam. All the Muslims, Alevis (Shias), Sunnis, and Sufis as well as non-Muslims live harmoniously together, there is no religious violence, either between the Muslim sects or the other religions, unlike what we have in Pakistan. You are free to be as Muslim as you like without any state interference, something I liked very much, to my surprise the mosques are fill to bursting on Fridays, and even the Hocas of the Great Sultan Ahmet Camii (Blue Mosque) and the smaller one next to it co-ordinate their azans (sounds fab!).
I actually went to the mosque when I felt like it, instead of going cause my mum or massi had been on my back. Their constant hassling actually made me rebel and go the other way of totally not doing anything religious at all. After having stayed in Turkey I found a new respect and connection with my faith, because I was allowed in my own good time. Many of my younger cousins in Pakistan resent the constant shoving of Islam down their throats.
Pakistan does have a history, it goes back almost 10,000 years. Islam in our part of the world is relatively recent compared to our overall history. Our children should learn about who and what we were before and what we are now, they should be taught to appreciate it. Its only when we educate our kids in an unbiased manner that we will rid our nation of this collective schizophrenia that we are suffering from. This not knowing if we should be more Indic or Middle Eastern. Just as Turkey is a bridge between Christian Europe and the Middle East we too are a bridge between majority Hindu and Buddhist Asia and the Middle East. This is what sets us apart form the rest of the Muslim world. This is our Pakistaniyet. Once we are comfortable with it we can move forward as a united and strong nation, comfortable in our identity, our history, our present and with hope for the future.
The negative reference to India and Hindus being removed are common sense and go without saying. In the future it will be India who will become our biggest trading partner and investor, our children should be prepared to deal with Indians on a respectful, unbiased, neutral, equal and professional manner.
Islam is a very important part of our culture and identity but not the only one, to become a whole people we have to teach our children our whole past, our whole identity without bias and prejudice.
Peace and respect
Ally
I have wanted to reply to your post for a couple of days however, due to work and time restraints have been unable to.
I agree with you whole hearted that the majority of Pakistan is Muslim and our state religion is Islam. Our children should be educated about the basics of Islam and what it means to be a Muslim. However it would not be beneficial if the education is too biased to Islam, as that is unhealthy, plus being Pakistan we have every kind and more types/sects of Islam, as well as millions of Non-Muslims.
I have just come back from spending a couple of months in Istanbul. It was such a refreshing take on Islam. All the Muslims, Alevis (Shias), Sunnis, and Sufis as well as non-Muslims live harmoniously together, there is no religious violence, either between the Muslim sects or the other religions, unlike what we have in Pakistan. You are free to be as Muslim as you like without any state interference, something I liked very much, to my surprise the mosques are fill to bursting on Fridays, and even the Hocas of the Great Sultan Ahmet Camii (Blue Mosque) and the smaller one next to it co-ordinate their azans (sounds fab!).
I actually went to the mosque when I felt like it, instead of going cause my mum or massi had been on my back. Their constant hassling actually made me rebel and go the other way of totally not doing anything religious at all. After having stayed in Turkey I found a new respect and connection with my faith, because I was allowed in my own good time. Many of my younger cousins in Pakistan resent the constant shoving of Islam down their throats.
Pakistan does have a history, it goes back almost 10,000 years. Islam in our part of the world is relatively recent compared to our overall history. Our children should learn about who and what we were before and what we are now, they should be taught to appreciate it. Its only when we educate our kids in an unbiased manner that we will rid our nation of this collective schizophrenia that we are suffering from. This not knowing if we should be more Indic or Middle Eastern. Just as Turkey is a bridge between Christian Europe and the Middle East we too are a bridge between majority Hindu and Buddhist Asia and the Middle East. This is what sets us apart form the rest of the Muslim world. This is our Pakistaniyet. Once we are comfortable with it we can move forward as a united and strong nation, comfortable in our identity, our history, our present and with hope for the future.
The negative reference to India and Hindus being removed are common sense and go without saying. In the future it will be India who will become our biggest trading partner and investor, our children should be prepared to deal with Indians on a respectful, unbiased, neutral, equal and professional manner.
Islam is a very important part of our culture and identity but not the only one, to become a whole people we have to teach our children our whole past, our whole identity without bias and prejudice.
Peace and respect
Ally
#34 Posted by zeemax on February 14, 2007 7:49:44 am
#17 by colonel
Colonel, I have met Javed Ashraf Qazi and had the pleasure of a little conversation with him at one of the M2 anniversaries. I must admit I was impressed.
Colonel, I have met Javed Ashraf Qazi and had the pleasure of a little conversation with him at one of the M2 anniversaries. I must admit I was impressed.
#33 Posted by zeemax on February 14, 2007 7:29:36 am
#9 by SR
If (i) Moses can part the Red Sea, (ii) Jesus can turn water into wine, (iii) Muhammad do space travel, (iv) Virgin Mary appear in the clouds above Guadeloupe, (v) Elvis shows up at a Best Western in rural Tennessee, (vi) UFOs visit trailer parks in Arizona desert, and (vii) crop circles appear on a Shropshire farm ..., then there is no reason to doubt that ministry of education will set up GPS monitoring systems for schools in rural Baluchistn.
If satellite GPRS is widely used to keep track of hundreds of thousand of cars in each city as a standard anti-theft measure, why`re you so amazed at Hoodbhoy`s suggestion?
You, Sir, must not knock anything associated with this country so readily. Think!
If (i) Moses can part the Red Sea, (ii) Jesus can turn water into wine, (iii) Muhammad do space travel, (iv) Virgin Mary appear in the clouds above Guadeloupe, (v) Elvis shows up at a Best Western in rural Tennessee, (vi) UFOs visit trailer parks in Arizona desert, and (vii) crop circles appear on a Shropshire farm ..., then there is no reason to doubt that ministry of education will set up GPS monitoring systems for schools in rural Baluchistn.
If satellite GPRS is widely used to keep track of hundreds of thousand of cars in each city as a standard anti-theft measure, why`re you so amazed at Hoodbhoy`s suggestion?
You, Sir, must not knock anything associated with this country so readily. Think!
#32 Posted by Kulharee on February 14, 2007 7:17:00 am
Instead of debating the merits of the proposed education reforms, it appears that this is (like many other discussions) about who has the biggest ego. Guys and men, we are all grownups and some of us are educated as well. Let’s try to use this opportunity to offer some insights without a need to flash our royal heritage. Thanks.
Wearing uniform does not make one an idiot. For every Zia and Musharaf, there are hundreds upon hundreds of decent hardworking men and women in uniform, that respect the country and care for its wellbeing.
Wearing uniform does not make one an idiot. For every Zia and Musharaf, there are hundreds upon hundreds of decent hardworking men and women in uniform, that respect the country and care for its wellbeing.
#31 Posted by anil on February 13, 2007 9:59:42 pm
Re: # 29
Hamidm Sahib:
``......... now, jaisay thaip ! ``
Now, this is the way it should be ... a civilian commanding the army, who should only chowkidars.
Hamidm Sahib:
``......... now, jaisay thaip ! ``
Now, this is the way it should be ... a civilian commanding the army, who should only chowkidars.
#30 Posted by hamidm2 on February 13, 2007 9:08:24 pm
Re: # 23
SR,
......... i was really looking forward to hamidm`s new novel - now i am not sure ......... this piece of shallow garbage was a real disappointment
SR,
......... i was really looking forward to hamidm`s new novel - now i am not sure ......... this piece of shallow garbage was a real disappointment
#29 Posted by hamidm2 on February 13, 2007 8:58:38 pm
Re: # 19
kernul sahib,
........ now don`t you get uppity with me and say stupid things like ``Perhaps it portrays your wonderful background and upbringing``......... i can pull my father`s rank on you !........ he had a two digit PA number and served in a real army under real generals like wavell and auchinleck ....... and i grew up on csd rations and also had the misfortune to drink water from the spring at ilyasi masjid - so i know a thing or two about the incompetent kernels and jurnals who have disgraced our country on the battlefield and then turned around and pillaged it with the help of feudal child molesters and pedophile mullahs .......... shame on you, sir, for defending these good for nothing louts ........... if it wasn`t for the horrible hindoos lurking on this forum, i would have said more .........
......... now, jaisay thaip !
kernul sahib,
........ now don`t you get uppity with me and say stupid things like ``Perhaps it portrays your wonderful background and upbringing``......... i can pull my father`s rank on you !........ he had a two digit PA number and served in a real army under real generals like wavell and auchinleck ....... and i grew up on csd rations and also had the misfortune to drink water from the spring at ilyasi masjid - so i know a thing or two about the incompetent kernels and jurnals who have disgraced our country on the battlefield and then turned around and pillaged it with the help of feudal child molesters and pedophile mullahs .......... shame on you, sir, for defending these good for nothing louts ........... if it wasn`t for the horrible hindoos lurking on this forum, i would have said more .........
......... now, jaisay thaip !
#27 Posted by nasah on February 13, 2007 7:36:46 pm
Re: # 23
forced read the Shahnama of `ambivalence` article despite its repetitive serpentine length -- thanked the good Lord this Firdausi HamidM was no where near our Chowk`s Hamidm.......what a relief!......hope the poor chap got paid on time -- with a 10x10 plot and a flour mill in Bhawalpur.
didn`t know the intellectuals in Pakistan are called `chootiyas`...... no wonder.......good to know that Askari Musahrraf can`t be complimented with `Chootiya Musharraf` -- only with Cheetiya Musharraf.......:)
forced read the Shahnama of `ambivalence` article despite its repetitive serpentine length -- thanked the good Lord this Firdausi HamidM was no where near our Chowk`s Hamidm.......what a relief!......hope the poor chap got paid on time -- with a 10x10 plot and a flour mill in Bhawalpur.
didn`t know the intellectuals in Pakistan are called `chootiyas`...... no wonder.......good to know that Askari Musahrraf can`t be complimented with `Chootiya Musharraf` -- only with Cheetiya Musharraf.......:)
#26 Posted by teshah on February 13, 2007 6:28:37 pm
#13
Don`t be so angry colonol sahib. Read this article appearing in the BBCurdu.com. ``Sun to sahi jahaan mein he tera fasaana kia, kehti he tujh ko khalqe khuda ghaibana kia``.
On personal exlanation I would say that I am a son of a fouji, an honoured one by the British, and have all praise for what Qazi Javed is doing but what that son of Zia is doing will, I am afraid, undo all his efforts.
مسعود عالم
بی بی سی اسلام آباد
جنہیں جیتا ہوا کہا جا رہا ہے ان کے نزدیک یہ واقعہ صرف شروعات ہے
قبائلی علاقوں سے لے کر شہری آبادیوں تک، موجودہ حکومت یہ اعلان کرتے نہیں تھکتی کہ سرکاری رٹ کا دفاع ہر قیمت پر کیا جائےگا۔ صدر جنرل پرویز مشرف نے پیر کے روز پھر یہ بات دہرائی کہ ریاست کی عملداری کو ہر صورت برقرار رکھا جائے گا اور کسی کو یہ موقع نہیں دیا جائے گا کہ وہ اسے چیلنج کر سکے۔ اسی شام دارالحکومت اسلام آباد میں، وفاقی وزیر برائے مذہبی امور اعجاز الحق نے مری روڈ پر واقع مسجد امیر حمزہ کا اس جگہ سنگ بنیاد رکھا جہاں اسے چند ہفتے پہلے شہری انتظامیہ نے غیر قانونی تجاوزات میں شمار کرتے ہوئے مسمار کر دیا تھا۔
منگل کے اخبارات نے اعجاز الحق کی تصویر اور مسجد کی تعمیر نو کی خبر کو نمایاں طور پر پیش کیا ہے اور انگریزی روزنامے ڈان نے تو اس کی سرخی یہ لگائی کہ ’انتہا پسندوں سے مقابلے میں اعتدال پسندوں کی شکست‘۔ لیکن دلچسپ بات یہ ہے کہ جنہیں جیتا ہوا کہا جا رہا ہے ان کے نزدیک یہ واقعہ صرف ایک شروعات ہے اور اپنے باقی مطالبات منوائے جانے تک وہ احتجاج جاری رکھے ہوئے ہیں۔
اس احتجاج کا ایک حصہ اسلام آباد کی لال مسجد سے جڑی ایک سرکاری لائبریری پر مدرسے کی طالبات کا قبضہ ہے، جو مسجد امیر حمزہ کو گرائے جانے کے اگلے ہی روز شروع ہو گیا تھا۔ یہ قبضہ اب بھی جاری ہے۔
ان طالبات میں سے ایک حمنہ عبد اللہ کہتی ہیں کہ ان کے مطالبات میں سے فقط ایک شق منظور ہوئی ہے، اس لیے انہوں نے بھی جواباً اتنا کیا ہے کہ بچوں کو لائبریری آنے کی اجازت دے دی ہے لیکن باقی کے مطالبات پورے ہونے تک لائبریری کا کنٹرول ان کے پاس ہی رہےگا۔
دارالحکومت کے مرکز میں واقع ایک سرکاری عمارت پر قبضہ، ریاستی عملداری کا دعویٰ کرنے والی حکومت کے لیے ایک بڑا چیلنج ہی نہیں، شرمندگی کا باعث بھی ہے۔ لیکن اس صورتحال کی سنگینی کا اندازہ حکومت کو خاصی دیر سے ہوا۔ شروع میں یہ قضیہ اسلام آباد کے ڈپٹی کمشنر کے حوالے ہوا لیکن بعد میں وزیر داخلہ، وزیر مذہبی امور اور ایک اطلاع کے مطابق وزیر اعظم بھی اس کے حل کے لیے کوشاں رہے ہیں۔
لیکن لائبریری پر قبضہ کرنے والی طالبات کے مہتمم، عبد الرشید غازی جن مطالبات کو پورا کروائے بغیر احتجاج ختم نہیں کرنا چاہتے، وہ بھی حکومت کی عملداری سے متصادم ہیں۔ ان میں گزشتہ سالوں میں منہدم کی گئی چھ مساجد کی تعمیر نو، تقریباً دس مساجد کو بھیجے گئے انہدام کے نوٹس کی واپسی، اور کل اکیاسی مساجد کو، جنہیں سی ڈی اے غیر قانونی کہتی ہے، ریگولرائز کرنا شامل ہیں۔
ان مطالبات پر بحث کے لیے ایک کمیٹی تشکیل دی گئی ہے، جس میں مقامی علماء کے علاوہ شہری انتظامیہ اور سی ڈی اے کے اعلیٰ اہلکار شامل ہیں۔ یہ کمیٹی متفقہ طور پر کچھ سفارشات مرتب کر سکے گی یا نہیں، اور اگر اتفاق ہو بھی گیا تو کیا لال مسجد کے منتظمین کو یہ حل قبول ہو گا؟ جواب کے لیے جامعہ حفصہ کی ایک طالبہ کا کمیٹی کی ہیئت پر یہ تبصرہ ہی کافی ہے کہ علماء کے علاوہ جتنے لوگ اس کمیٹی میں شامل ہیں، وہ مدرسے کے لیے قابل بھروسہ نہیں ہیں۔
Don`t be so angry colonol sahib. Read this article appearing in the BBCurdu.com. ``Sun to sahi jahaan mein he tera fasaana kia, kehti he tujh ko khalqe khuda ghaibana kia``.
On personal exlanation I would say that I am a son of a fouji, an honoured one by the British, and have all praise for what Qazi Javed is doing but what that son of Zia is doing will, I am afraid, undo all his efforts.
مسعود عالم
بی بی سی اسلام آباد
جنہیں جیتا ہوا کہا جا رہا ہے ان کے نزدیک یہ واقعہ صرف شروعات ہے
قبائلی علاقوں سے لے کر شہری آبادیوں تک، موجودہ حکومت یہ اعلان کرتے نہیں تھکتی کہ سرکاری رٹ کا دفاع ہر قیمت پر کیا جائےگا۔ صدر جنرل پرویز مشرف نے پیر کے روز پھر یہ بات دہرائی کہ ریاست کی عملداری کو ہر صورت برقرار رکھا جائے گا اور کسی کو یہ موقع نہیں دیا جائے گا کہ وہ اسے چیلنج کر سکے۔ اسی شام دارالحکومت اسلام آباد میں، وفاقی وزیر برائے مذہبی امور اعجاز الحق نے مری روڈ پر واقع مسجد امیر حمزہ کا اس جگہ سنگ بنیاد رکھا جہاں اسے چند ہفتے پہلے شہری انتظامیہ نے غیر قانونی تجاوزات میں شمار کرتے ہوئے مسمار کر دیا تھا۔
منگل کے اخبارات نے اعجاز الحق کی تصویر اور مسجد کی تعمیر نو کی خبر کو نمایاں طور پر پیش کیا ہے اور انگریزی روزنامے ڈان نے تو اس کی سرخی یہ لگائی کہ ’انتہا پسندوں سے مقابلے میں اعتدال پسندوں کی شکست‘۔ لیکن دلچسپ بات یہ ہے کہ جنہیں جیتا ہوا کہا جا رہا ہے ان کے نزدیک یہ واقعہ صرف ایک شروعات ہے اور اپنے باقی مطالبات منوائے جانے تک وہ احتجاج جاری رکھے ہوئے ہیں۔
اس احتجاج کا ایک حصہ اسلام آباد کی لال مسجد سے جڑی ایک سرکاری لائبریری پر مدرسے کی طالبات کا قبضہ ہے، جو مسجد امیر حمزہ کو گرائے جانے کے اگلے ہی روز شروع ہو گیا تھا۔ یہ قبضہ اب بھی جاری ہے۔
ان طالبات میں سے ایک حمنہ عبد اللہ کہتی ہیں کہ ان کے مطالبات میں سے فقط ایک شق منظور ہوئی ہے، اس لیے انہوں نے بھی جواباً اتنا کیا ہے کہ بچوں کو لائبریری آنے کی اجازت دے دی ہے لیکن باقی کے مطالبات پورے ہونے تک لائبریری کا کنٹرول ان کے پاس ہی رہےگا۔
دارالحکومت کے مرکز میں واقع ایک سرکاری عمارت پر قبضہ، ریاستی عملداری کا دعویٰ کرنے والی حکومت کے لیے ایک بڑا چیلنج ہی نہیں، شرمندگی کا باعث بھی ہے۔ لیکن اس صورتحال کی سنگینی کا اندازہ حکومت کو خاصی دیر سے ہوا۔ شروع میں یہ قضیہ اسلام آباد کے ڈپٹی کمشنر کے حوالے ہوا لیکن بعد میں وزیر داخلہ، وزیر مذہبی امور اور ایک اطلاع کے مطابق وزیر اعظم بھی اس کے حل کے لیے کوشاں رہے ہیں۔
لیکن لائبریری پر قبضہ کرنے والی طالبات کے مہتمم، عبد الرشید غازی جن مطالبات کو پورا کروائے بغیر احتجاج ختم نہیں کرنا چاہتے، وہ بھی حکومت کی عملداری سے متصادم ہیں۔ ان میں گزشتہ سالوں میں منہدم کی گئی چھ مساجد کی تعمیر نو، تقریباً دس مساجد کو بھیجے گئے انہدام کے نوٹس کی واپسی، اور کل اکیاسی مساجد کو، جنہیں سی ڈی اے غیر قانونی کہتی ہے، ریگولرائز کرنا شامل ہیں۔
ان مطالبات پر بحث کے لیے ایک کمیٹی تشکیل دی گئی ہے، جس میں مقامی علماء کے علاوہ شہری انتظامیہ اور سی ڈی اے کے اعلیٰ اہلکار شامل ہیں۔ یہ کمیٹی متفقہ طور پر کچھ سفارشات مرتب کر سکے گی یا نہیں، اور اگر اتفاق ہو بھی گیا تو کیا لال مسجد کے منتظمین کو یہ حل قبول ہو گا؟ جواب کے لیے جامعہ حفصہ کی ایک طالبہ کا کمیٹی کی ہیئت پر یہ تبصرہ ہی کافی ہے کہ علماء کے علاوہ جتنے لوگ اس کمیٹی میں شامل ہیں، وہ مدرسے کے لیے قابل بھروسہ نہیں ہیں۔
#25 Posted by bulleya on February 13, 2007 6:22:58 pm
colonel #19: ......having spent a good portion of my youth in the military, and having hung around people with the qualifications you have mentioned, and then having had a chance to hang around and study with cilvilians in other fields, i think i can say with quite a bit of authority that military qualifications - specifically the ones you have mentioned - are not of much use outside the military........
..........strategic studies, war studies etc. are not qualifications in much demand and they are quite easy to get, including those from abroad.......
..........the other occupations you have listed are all govt. jobs handed out to retired generals........i would not count them for much......they are not given on merit.......rest assured, i am far more qualified to be the secretary of science and tech, than the good general......as are a lot of people i know in pakistan......
..........making a retired general the minister of anything in which he has no expertise is like taking the dean of a university and making him a corps commander.........
the easiest way to judge the merit of an individual is to take away all their govt. ranks and titles and then see how valuable they are in the open market........e.g. if shaukut aziz was not the prime minister of pakistan, he could still go and get any job at any level in the int`l financial circles.....
.....if the good general did not have these govt. jobs, what would be his value in the open market?.......that should answer the question of his competence.....could he become the dean of lums?........could he become a professor at stanford?.........would he be hired by any internationally recognized education institution in a senior admin. position?.......
if not, then how in the world can he be made the head of education for a whole country of 150 million people!! unless, of course, one assumes that a retired general is har fun mola......
..........strategic studies, war studies etc. are not qualifications in much demand and they are quite easy to get, including those from abroad.......
..........the other occupations you have listed are all govt. jobs handed out to retired generals........i would not count them for much......they are not given on merit.......rest assured, i am far more qualified to be the secretary of science and tech, than the good general......as are a lot of people i know in pakistan......
..........making a retired general the minister of anything in which he has no expertise is like taking the dean of a university and making him a corps commander.........
the easiest way to judge the merit of an individual is to take away all their govt. ranks and titles and then see how valuable they are in the open market........e.g. if shaukut aziz was not the prime minister of pakistan, he could still go and get any job at any level in the int`l financial circles.....
.....if the good general did not have these govt. jobs, what would be his value in the open market?.......that should answer the question of his competence.....could he become the dean of lums?........could he become a professor at stanford?.........would he be hired by any internationally recognized education institution in a senior admin. position?.......
if not, then how in the world can he be made the head of education for a whole country of 150 million people!! unless, of course, one assumes that a retired general is har fun mola......
#24 Posted by Tehsinabbasi on February 13, 2007 6:16:45 pm
#19 by colonel
Linguistics aside, why don’t you concentrate on answering Hamidm2’s real question?
All the General’s qualifications that you have so dutifully listed make him capable of running a Jihad in Afghanistan or Kashmir. If that is the aim of education for our new generation then God help Pakistan.
Linguistics aside, why don’t you concentrate on answering Hamidm2’s real question?
All the General’s qualifications that you have so dutifully listed make him capable of running a Jihad in Afghanistan or Kashmir. If that is the aim of education for our new generation then God help Pakistan.
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