Naveed Ejaz February 14, 2007
#14 Posted by sr56 on February 16, 2007 2:25:17 pm
Tahirqazi, obviously you`re knowledge is limited, if you had bothered to research into the matter, disability or any other such subject that causes anguish is actually a test from Allah.As ever we live in a deluded society
#13 Posted by Shah2 on February 15, 2007 7:58:13 pm
#12 Tahir in the USA thee is a large sum of money in the social security disability administration.....obviously taxtion in here is much larger and widespread than in Asian countries....U mentioned about funds and economic challenges
and attitudinal problem....attitude towards disabled was not accetable not very long ago ..remember the Hunch back of Notere Dame ..in the west disabled persons evil persons were depicted as mean evil and not moral...
We have long way to overcome those hurdeles...in countries where non handicapped are unemployed its the handicapped who get fired first.....when employment system would be facing shortage of hands there would be vocational rehabilitation funds also ..
meanwhile its the ngo and understanding citizens should handle the handicapped population with respect and sensitiviy it defenitely deserves
and attitudinal problem....attitude towards disabled was not accetable not very long ago ..remember the Hunch back of Notere Dame ..in the west disabled persons evil persons were depicted as mean evil and not moral...
We have long way to overcome those hurdeles...in countries where non handicapped are unemployed its the handicapped who get fired first.....when employment system would be facing shortage of hands there would be vocational rehabilitation funds also ..
meanwhile its the ngo and understanding citizens should handle the handicapped population with respect and sensitiviy it defenitely deserves
#12 Posted by TahirQazi on February 15, 2007 7:36:54 pm
I wish I could add a few more words to the discussion on disability-handicap. Religious and societal attitudes are certainly important holdups to integration of persons with disability into mainstream but the real story is more complex that that. Allow me to touch on it very briefly. There are several theoretical models that can be broadly categorized as:
Mentalistic Theories emphasize cognitive aspect of internalization of disability. Internalization of disability serves as a mental block to learning as to how to overcome limitations imposed by disability. Social and/or Behavioral Theories bring into focus events external to the individuals with disabilities.
People tend to assume “Sick Role” or an “Illness Behavior”, which could be an additional reason for maladjustment.
Salubrious outcome of disability is a long and protracted struggle punctuated by countless snags. Neither medical model nor social-political model alone has the capacity to change the outcome, which is integration of individual into the society in a productive fashion and helping that individual enjoy life in a meaningful way, perceptually.
Coping with a disability is a multi-prong approach with lots of road block. Nonetheless, religions have no role in creating a meaningful environment. As a matter of fact, religions have been providing simplistic condescending reason only to accept disability and assume more of a sick role as predicted by behavioral model.
Even though disability has not been described in Koran (According to my limited knowledge) as a punishment but it is also a reality that God has only wrath and punishment principle to make up for the wrong deeds of individual. Therefore, the religionists who creatively surmise that any disability is a punishment from God for presumed sins are not far off the mark.
Keeping in mind that there are lots of obstacles in the way of disabled people, I think it is important that general public be primed to accept meaningfulness of life of disabled person, at least. The perceptive attitude of general public is hard to legislate. This is the job of education where everybody has a responsibility to share ideas and ideals.
I want to make this discussion on disability neither political nor purely religious but its not a bad idea to compare monetary resources ear-marked for war-machinery in almost all 3rd world countries with the money for education and welfare. Is there any alternative way of thinking a better utility of the same resources?
(I am wondering if our friends who have been talking about political economies in previous discussions would come up with good ideas how to find resources for managing disabilities).
Regards,
Tahir
#11 Posted by Shah2 on February 15, 2007 7:02:28 pm
#10
Then all we easterner have to do is to tap into the compassion of west for disabled impaired handicapped and declared our self as such..
but i dont hink the exploitation will be stopped
Then all we easterner have to do is to tap into the compassion of west for disabled impaired handicapped and declared our self as such..
but i dont hink the exploitation will be stopped
#10 Posted by nasah on February 15, 2007 5:35:14 pm
The East is cruel to the people with disabilities -- many many times more cruel than the compassionate Christian West -- a Christian West that is definitely many many times more cruel than the East -- for the not disabled.
#9 Posted by Shah2 on February 15, 2007 4:20:48 pm
#8 Sr56 the writer states that in his own experience already
``At my impressionable age, upon inquiry he informed me that my disability was a manifestation of the sins of my parents``
``At my impressionable age, upon inquiry he informed me that my disability was a manifestation of the sins of my parents``
#8 Posted by sr56 on February 15, 2007 9:55:18 am
I am the mother of a severely disabled child-and it has often been said to me, sometimes directly or in passing, that her disability is Allah`s way of giving us punishment for some abhorent sin we as parents may have done. Well publicly i`d like to say-BOLLOCKS TO U!!!
#7 Posted by TOLKININ on February 14, 2007 8:18:36 pm
#6 those are misrepresented thaughts of Chowk due to error ......I only think bothnIndia And Pakistan face the same problem....
#6 Posted by Kamath on February 14, 2007 6:49:16 pm
Re: # 1
Ms Tolkinin:
It looks as though you may be right. More the Generals , the merrier is life. I will go with your thoghts.
kamath
Ms Tolkinin:
It looks as though you may be right. More the Generals , the merrier is life. I will go with your thoghts.
kamath
#5 Posted by drfidvi on February 14, 2007 5:40:59 pm
Re: # 4
Dear Tahir, don`t worry about the typo at all. Your arguments on the other hand are spot on. The medical model definitely is insufficient for catering to the needs of a disabled person. Infact, the needs of individual people depend on their personal circumstances and environment. Two people with the same condition, but living in different parts of the world will be faced with varying and unique difficulties. In this context, the definition of handicap by WHO is very well thought out. However, definitions vary immensely depending upon region. The Gazette of Pakistan (Statutory Notification SRO 627(1)/88) lays down the following definition, which again contrasts disability against health and disease.
``For the quota system, “disabled person” means a person, on account of injury, disease or congenital deformity is handicapped in education or for undertaking any gainful profession or employment in order to earn his livelihood, and includes a person who is blind, deaf, physically handicapped or mentally retarded.``
I also agree that vast economic resources are required to bring a majority of disabled individuals into mainstream society. Which is why, personally, I think that the change should be gradual, so as to allow the disabled and society sufficient time to adjust to the change in status quo. Again, personally I also believe that the way forward is by forging links between industry and institutions that already care for the disabled. While education is, in some ways, a product that can be bought by paying for it, the dynamics of obtaining a job are completely different. Most disabled people are often frustrated by the lack of opportunities available even after they have obtained either an education or a technical skill.
As for religion, I would say to each his own. I am a deeply religious person, or well try to be at the very least. While still submissive to the teachings of religion, I do not believe in being a passive recipient with regards to any condition, be it social, mental or physical. All religions encourage the growth of self, in a non egotistical way of course! Its the passive mindset that has to be removed for the debate to be carried forward, and this is true for issues such as poverty and is not just related to disability.
Dear Tahir, don`t worry about the typo at all. Your arguments on the other hand are spot on. The medical model definitely is insufficient for catering to the needs of a disabled person. Infact, the needs of individual people depend on their personal circumstances and environment. Two people with the same condition, but living in different parts of the world will be faced with varying and unique difficulties. In this context, the definition of handicap by WHO is very well thought out. However, definitions vary immensely depending upon region. The Gazette of Pakistan (Statutory Notification SRO 627(1)/88) lays down the following definition, which again contrasts disability against health and disease.
``For the quota system, “disabled person” means a person, on account of injury, disease or congenital deformity is handicapped in education or for undertaking any gainful profession or employment in order to earn his livelihood, and includes a person who is blind, deaf, physically handicapped or mentally retarded.``
I also agree that vast economic resources are required to bring a majority of disabled individuals into mainstream society. Which is why, personally, I think that the change should be gradual, so as to allow the disabled and society sufficient time to adjust to the change in status quo. Again, personally I also believe that the way forward is by forging links between industry and institutions that already care for the disabled. While education is, in some ways, a product that can be bought by paying for it, the dynamics of obtaining a job are completely different. Most disabled people are often frustrated by the lack of opportunities available even after they have obtained either an education or a technical skill.
As for religion, I would say to each his own. I am a deeply religious person, or well try to be at the very least. While still submissive to the teachings of religion, I do not believe in being a passive recipient with regards to any condition, be it social, mental or physical. All religions encourage the growth of self, in a non egotistical way of course! Its the passive mindset that has to be removed for the debate to be carried forward, and this is true for issues such as poverty and is not just related to disability.
#4 Posted by TahirQazi on February 14, 2007 3:55:57 pm
Interact #3:
Ooooops .... Somebody has pointed out a typo:
It led to American With Disabilities Act 1990 has helped a great deal removing bearers and has mandated societal and environmental facilitation.
Please read as: It led to The Americans With Disabilities Act of 1990. It has helped a great deal removing barriers and ......
#3 Posted by TahirQazi on February 14, 2007 1:53:11 pm
Dear Naveed:
Excellent! Your article is well argued and adds a real-life perspective to the issue of disability and societal attitude. These issues need serious discussion to bring about a change in the mindset of society, as you have rightly pointed out.
Conceptually, few technical but important considerations for sake of meaningful discussion; this is what WHO (World Health Organization) defines three related terms:
Impairment is any loss or abnormality of a psychological, physiologic or anatomical structure or function. For example, loss of a limb or weakness etc.
Disability is any limitation of a person’s ability to perform a task or activity. Problems at the person level as a whole whether physical or psychological. Examples are limitation of performance.
Handicap results from interaction of environment on a person with disability.
Even though, understanding of impairments and disability is important but focus on handicap is what is most important to change the societal attitude.
For exaple, a person who has lost a leg would not be limited and without a handicap if fitted with an artificial leg or wheelchair, whichever is necessary. If the building where he/she lives or works does not have a wheelchair-ramp for access or elevators would be really handicapped but such an access would remove handicap altogether.
In the past decade or so, it has been recognized that pure medical model does not sufficiently provide for facilitating the function of disable persons. The role of society has also been better understood. It led to American With Disabilities Act 1990 has helped a great deal removing bearers and has mandated societal and environmental facilitation. Legal measures are a must in other countries and societies as well. Education can help provide better understanding but laws must be enacted to assert the rights of disabled persons and remove physical barrier that limit people with disability.
I sometime wonder and worry how to put togther economical resources to enact such a law in 3rd world countries but it does not negate the need for primary understanding of issues involved in disability, at least.
Naveed! With regards to your Mauvi Sahib, well said, “I have since learnt not to trust anyone with a weak backhand”. Religious explanations for disabilities ought to be abandoned because religions have not added much to rationality that physical survival demands. Hereafter! Will cross when we come to that bridge. Humans certainly need some comfort in this world also that has been embroiled in religious quarrels, without much avail, for past some thousand years. But, thats a discussion for another day. Thanks again.
Tahir
#2 Posted by TOLKININ on February 14, 2007 12:12:20 pm
I agree with your message it is ones ABILITY rather than disability that needs to be focused upon....
#1 Posted by TOLKININ on February 14, 2007 12:06:09 pm
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