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# 3: excellent translation.

i dont think it was staged

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the looks of barely constrained fury/embarassment/shock on mushy`s face during parts of the speech are evidence enough.

also the guy was introduced as a talib e ilm [student] of such and such a madrassah.

``So one is right to be left``...excellent pun...though i`d take it as un-intentional, perhaps accidental...the point is that Nadeem...whatever u write is totally correct but the problem is that it makes no difference...due to several reasons...not the most pathetic of which might be that u r addressing a people whor are (more or less) already in agreement with u...(well at least I am)...so u end up being no better than Ayaz Amir...who has also perched his bottom on a higher moral plane but continues to write for Dawn...which is accessible to perhaps 0.1% of Pakistani populations and comprehensible to even less than it...so what difference does he make rather than demonstrating his own cowardice/characterlessness as a man who knows the solution to the problem but is not willing to diffuse it for fear of reprisals from the powers that be...

Aprt from letting u vent out ur anger...these articles...impact wise...i m sorry to say...not serve much purpose...on the other hand...this particular piece has stimulated me to launch myself into this critique...also equally wasteful in terms of precious intellectual, temporal and mental resource...

So what should be the solution to counter the extreme right wing mullah...which is only right-wing because religion confines him to the right of political spectrum hence the only credible opposition can only come from the left which is as pathetic, if not more, as the Mullah group...

Molvee must be countered...but it would not be through posting dandy articles in fancy english on mummy-daddy-burger forums such as chowkistan...as has been said...and I assume (after having read most of your articles) that you`d recognize who said it...that ``Revolution (or in our case, let`s be modest, because we don`t even have the ability to pronounce the word ``Revolution`` correctly, let alone bring about one) can only be brought about by the power of spoken word...``

Being an avid reader of NFP I never expected this from him.

This article is a rant. And like so many other blogs where this video has been discussed, it all boils down to that person raising the questions is a bearded student of some madrassah. If the same speech had been made by some girl (or guy) in jeans we would be applauding her and also using the opportunity to emphasise that our current education system is flawed as this student educated in some posh school is bold, confident and knows how to talk straight to a dictator.

Somebody has raised question about abductions. Just google about freedom of press in Pakistan. Pakistan ranks amongst the countries with lowest freedom of press. Having numerous channels ranting about with or without uniform does not constitute freedom of press. Where are the abducted persons? How many journalists have been abducted by government so far? whats really happening in Baluchistan/Waziristan? Nobody dares to discuss this on TV channels. Private channels are usually available in urban areas. If the government is so in favor of freedom of expression, why don`t have a few of these anti-government discussions on PTV?

Re: # 12

urstruly,

can you tell me where to find these ``overexposed taxis and call girls `` in the pakistani media - every time i tune in to geo or ary all i find is some fat bearded mullah or his shaven counterpart talking about heaven and hell to an audience of ugly girls in ninja uniforms and uglier young men with hairy chins ............ unless you consider the occassional pretty boy singing praises of the prophet sexually exciting, i don`t think there is a lot of ``uchal kood` going on in the pakistani media ..........

A total of 19 journalists have been murdered by government agents in Paksitan in the past 7 years. Most horrendous of these murders was that of Hayatullah, last year, who was kidnapped, tortured, and murdered by government agents after he exposed the truth behind the massacres of civilians in Waziristan. At present, Waziristan and Baluchistan both are no-go areas for journalists. As it has turned out jouranists are more threatened by govt than the local population.

Mirasi and others are just happy that they have freedom for their uchal kood and overexposed taxis and call girls over the tv and media. This is what they take as freedom of press. la holwilaquwat

Re: # 18

abu-sufyan,

...... i am puzzled by your statement ...... would you care to repost my post in which i `cried` and also your post that made me cry ? .......

Re: # 17
Its not ur fault od man, thats a by-product of dear ol millwaukee as well, come back when u r sober n we`ll rap..which basically means u shouldnt come back.

Re: # 16

abu,

... no, i really don`t remember .... would you care to remind me ?

Re: # 15
Chacha...hahahahaha..u really wanna go? remember i made u cry last time..

Re: # 14

abu-sufyan,

..... actually banging your head on the floor five times a day is a lot more harmful than `drugs and intoxication`` .........

Absoluetly pathetic. Nadeem F. Paracha you are just as extremist and militant as the supposed “Islamic Scholar” you despise. If the same utterances would have stemmed from a random “wanna be” in a skirt or a “Burger” with a pierced ear-lobe (actually it couldn’t have, cause the pre-requisite is to be able to read) then you’d be all praise but since it came from a man whose beard length was not to your liking, you are furious that how dare he speaks the truth, like your daddy has a copyright on it or something. This is why Islam is against drugs & intoxication, it makes you a moron, nadeem f. paracha provides ample proof of that.

``... for many watching a young (bearded) man standing up to the most powerful person in the country, yes, but about what was he standing up for?`` (Nadeem Paracha)

the bearded young man was standing -- for the SAME base crummy principles that ``the most powerful man`` was sitting in his chair -- for the base crummy no-principles.

and please don`t blame the `Liberals` for either -- the L people are not responsible for your young bearded man standing up to -- nor for your old beardless man sitting down to --

blamiong the L people is by now an old cliche not worthy of a creative writer like you. What makes you think that it is not the fault of M people......may be it is the fault of the M people.....

It would appear that in Pakistan people in general are not what they claim to be - including the Marxists.

The fundos and the khakis are different sides of the same coin. They have lived in a symbiotic relationship since the the 1970s and depend on each other for their survival. Don`t be fooled by a you tube video clip.

Re: # 22

If the memory serves me right, the dialogue that you have cited occured between Abu Dhar Ghaffari(RA) and Uthman (RA) and not between former and Amir Muawiya (RA). Abu Dharr was an ascetic by nature and looked at the new found wealth of Muslims with disdain. Abu Dhar is also credit as the first Sufi in Islam for he promoted and astere lifestyle.

The importance of being bearded:

The beard is not a personal choice of form like an ear ring, it is a political statement, a legitimacy, a sanction from God and all that is righteous. The gentleman if he had asked the same questions without invoking God and bringing in the inviolable word of the Quran to which nobody (at least in that audience) could question, that makes it coercive. This has been the hallmark of how every side has exploited Islam for their own ends. I have an interesting example:

It was in the time of Hadrat Uthman, when Amir Muawiyah as the governor of Syria proclaimed that “the public moneys are God’s property”. Abu Dharr (an ascetic) came to Muawiyah and said, “what leads you to use the term ‘God’s property’ for the public moneys of the Muslims?”

“God be merciful to you, Abu Dharr,” responded Muawiyah, “are we not God’s slaves, the public moneys His property, the created world His creation and public authority His authority”.

Abu Dharr said, “Do not use this expression.” He continued, “indeed, I do not say that (the public moneys) do not belong to God, but I shall call them ‘the property of the Muslims.’”

Of course the result can be predicted Abu Dharr was expelled from Syria back to Medina for causing fitna and was questioned by Uthman upon which he self exiled himself to living outside of Medina.

very nice paracha sahab. By the way people who were clappping should also watch the response Musharaf had for that idiot. Also, the so-called intelligent people of Pakistan seem to forget that in the so-called democracy people like that young student would not even have been able to question the leader of Pakistan. Like I said before it is a fad to shout democracy without learning the real meaning of it nowadays and Pakistani people on Chowk are the perfect example. They are always the first to point out the bad things but forget to mention the economic gains, the development work and especially their inability to receive Rishwat nowadays. I wonder how many of the people on Chowk belong to the upper class elite whose parents made all the money not based on their inteeligence but the corrupt culture of this God-Forsaken country, and how many people belong to the dari-wala parties.