Sabre Rattling in the Persian Gulf

#15 by freethinker

What your friend said is the Samuel Hersh scenario. He`s been saying this since a couple of years based on his inside knowledge of the Bush administration. According to him, the Lebanon attack was a part of the move towards Iran.

However, the plan `A` went wrong on several counts such as Hizbullah could not be destroyed, Iran could not be drawn into the Lebanon war, and Iraq could not be stabilized. So it`s plan `B` in effect now i.e. allegations of Iran supplying explosive materials to Iraqi resistance. Also, another bogeyman in the form of Al-Quds Force has been created alongside Al-Qaida which doesn`t seem to work in case of Shia Iran, therefore a `Shia` Al-Qaida is now born.

You may find Samuel Hersh`s interview from January 2005 interesting.

#17 by zeemax

Is that Seymour Hersh or is this guy a different one?

#18

Yep read that as Seymour Hersh :~)

author writes ``After the experience with the Iraq war and the cooked-up evidence pertaining to the weapons of mass destruction for which Iraq was invaded, the American public has become wary of the administration`s intentions in the Middle East. It does not have stomach for another war``

Actually American public does have stomach for another war. And another. And another.

Anyone remembers Gulf of Tonkin lie? It was the manufactured incident in 1964 whereby American government lied that its ships were attacked by North Vietnamese and used that incident to escalate genocide of Vietnamese. One would think that that incident which resulted in the deaths of nearly 50,000 Americans until eventual American withdrawal would have made American public wary of their government for the next 100 years. But unfortunately, when the US government decided it wanted to attack Iraq, it successfully fooled American public once again.

So I would say that if the US government some day really decides to attack Iran, it would create ample circumstances and accompanying propaganda such that by the time it actually launches its missiles, majority of Americans would be supporting it.

Lets have a moment of silence for 3100 dead American soldiers. It was the deaths of these soldiers, and not the 650,000 dead Iraqis, that resulted in American public to rethink their government - however temporary this rethinking maybe.

hamidm # 10 ``i would be happy to pay an extra 1% this april 15th if we can get rid of the ayatollahs and other bearded vermin that threaten civilization``

Iraq war has so far cost nearly $3000 to every american citizen. While this may not be much to hamidm, it is a lot for majority of americans - 40 million of whom live below poverty line. Also, the cost of loss of lives, 3100 dead american soldiers so far, is something that will surely never figure into hamidm`s 1% on april 15th. That is something only impoverished americans will have to work out.

#21 by malik99

Actually .. I`m scared that a lot more americans will die. Those 19-20 year olds who never knew what the fkk it was all about ...

.....and malik99 ...

Don`t worry about hamidm2. He`s not concerned about anyone living or dying ... but just the two-car garage (or is it three?)

#23 by zeemax on February 20, 2007 11:55am PT


if you care about your islamic brothers living and dying, what`re you doing leading a life of a paki in the UK...go on..do what your wife did...

Dr. Gill, from all indications, GWB respects the will of his nation and he is mindful of and only works within the mandate given to him. Therefore, in my view, last November’s election results obviate any Iran-attack scenario, short of another 9/11-like event. Whatever be the President’s own feelings on this issue, his hands are tied by the US Congress – which always reflects the will of the electorate. The Iranians and others know it too and are trying to take advantage of it – the welfare of the population(s) concerned is of no concern to anybody, unfortunately.

I have now become quite pessimistic about Iraq remaining united as one country. Perhaps it never was one country in spirit and was held together through the sheer force of dictatorship anyway.

I am also pessimistic that a nuclear-armed Iran can be prevented – perhaps it has been a certainty the day Pakistan exploded its own – just like India developing that capability was a given ever since China did it.

bjkumar:

I hope you are right.

If one dispassionately assesses the Iraq war, it has failed on all counts. There were no wmds; the experiment with democracy has produced awful schism in the Iraqi society; and there is no reduction in terrorism. In fact, it has significantly increased. I think it`s time for the U.S. to pull the plug on war and to give a chance to peaceful negotiations.

I like your logic on Iranian nuclearization also. If the Middle East were free of nuclear weapons then there could be a strong argument for stopping Iran going nuclear. Two of its neighboring countries, India and Pakistan, are nuclear and Israel, a Middle Eastern country, is nuclear too. But then as I noted in my earlier post, there is no logic in politics.

Too much power is a double-edged sword. The U.S. should be careful how it handles its power. So far, power has done U.S. no good.

Be well,

Mohammad Gill

``The masses of the Arab - indeed the entire Muslim world, both Sunnis and Shiites, will rally around Iran. The Sunni heads of state, who are embracing Israel now in secret, will run away in panic. We shall be left alone to face the revenge that will come sooner or later. Will we be able to rely on the heirs of Bush, who may be less reckless and more inclined to listen to world public opinion, which will inevitably blame us for this whole adventure?``

These are the words of a patriotic Jewish citizen of Israel, an original Aliyah, a member of the Knesset (Israeli parliament) and a contemporary of Ben Gurion. To read his complete article about the dangers of the coming war with Iran, Click here

...SR

#27 by SR

You just broke some injun hearts .. who keep spewing taunts about the shia/sunni divide when there`s none. The Israelis know that, but these injuns don`t.

:~)

Zeemax #28,

Very true. Same goes for the Hindu/Muslim divide - there isn`t one and some people
seem to think there is. Kya karein...

50+ people dead everyday in iraq in sunni-shia violence and there`s no divide...

mmmkay..

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