Why Have This Train At All?

Re: # 294

Salim Sahib:

``...To me the most attractive aspect of Islam is the direct relationship between each human being and the Creator...``

I have been impressed by your thought process and expression. But what if the Creator is nothing other than the human mind?

A human mind which has continued to evolve redefine thoughts - of possible and impossible kinds, or real and imaginary type. After all what you call ``Creator`` and what its form is etc., etc. is a thought of your mind, based on the knowledge your mind has and continue to acquire from whatever sources, be it Quran, Bible, Geeta or Einstein`s Theory of Relativity etc...

``To be honest, we don`t even need mosques to be Muslims - and if we can do away with beautiful mosques...``

I would not do away with Mosques... These are beautiful expressions of human minds creation. I see the symmetry in their architecture very elegant and beautiful. A while ago, I read about Islamic art, and how geometry and symmetry influenced it. The reason this author gave was because sculpting or painting human form was not allowed. Clearly to someone like me, it shows how human found alternate form of expressions.

It seems human mind is the creator of all expressions. We do not need to go far, it is with us. We can feed it with all kinds of knowledge to turn into a religous fanatic to a humanitarian to a theologian to a scientist... and who knows what else in the future. The combination of human mind and knowledge is the most powerful human force, which leads transformation of a person into OBL or Bush, and from time immortal - Krishna, Budha, Moses, Christ, Mohammad, and on and on... and this will not stop as long as there is human life.

Re: # 307

Hamidm Sahib:

``krishna mian...``

Bahut khoob, aap ne Krishna ko bhi mian bana diya.

#308 by hamidm2

[krishna,

........ i am getting slow - must be the gin ......

you said, ``Hindu craftsmen, particularly sculptors and stonecutters, plied their trade throughout Asia during this period, and their skills were particularly sought after by tomb builders. ``

and i should have said, ``once a coolie, always a coolie .... stone cutting yesterday, j2ee coding today``

.......... ah well, better late than never ]


Hamidm,

I think you should wake up and smell the coffee. Before you know it, you might be working for Mittal (like many white Americans and Europeans), or Tata, or a subsidiary of Reliance industries, or Infosys, or one of the many Indian companies that are gobbling up American and European companies. Your white masters might be working under one of us brown-skinned Indians - then where is your self-respect going to be?

:)

#286 by sanatani

What of those HIndu families whose women folk are abducted by Muslims (mind you friends of the family) and married of at age 13 in Pakistan?

Yaar sanatani .. itney garam kyoon hotey ho? These forced marriages are a cultural phenomenon in deep interior Sindh and nothing to do with hindu or not. Google what happened to a Muslim girl named Kainat Soomro just last week. 2.5 million sindhi hindus live in interior Sindh and are neither discriminated against nor culturally any different from Muslim sindhis.

We`re against Hinuds ... not Hindus. See?

#303 tahmed32

Sir, I confess I am not very regular at Chowk. May be it is a coincidence that each time I surf through I seem to find a message from you wholeheartedly cursing someone or the other. Hence the impression. I am extremely sorry if that captured the exception and not the general rule about you. In any case, thank you for the kind words.

krishna,

........ i am getting slow - must be the gin ......

you said, ``Hindu craftsmen, particularly sculptors and stonecutters, plied their trade throughout Asia during this period, and their skills were particularly sought after by tomb builders. ``

and i should have said, ``once a coolie, always a coolie .... stone cutting yesterday, j2ee coding today``

.......... ah well, better late than never

Re: # 306

krishna mian,

.......... like the jihadis, you are so predictable !

#304 by hamidm2


[krishna mian,

..... are you calling brother chauhan an apologist for a bedouin prophet ? ........ you almost had your first revert back to hindooism and you blew it ! ]

You are thinking from the vantage point of your Semitic upbringing. I do not give a damn about bringing anyone ``back to the fold``. Who cares. We are born alone and we die alone. All I care is for Muslims to transform into something more benign - Shintoism, Taoism - anything.


[........... and i was almost ready to give you guys jammu and ladakh as long as you give me the valley, but now i too am having second thoughts ............]

You cannot trade with what you do not have. Get rid of your Paki delusions.



[keep this up and i will be clamoring for the taj mahal - after all we built it ]


The Taj Mahal was built by Hindu craftsmen on Hindu soil using materials from Hindu soil. However, you are free to take it away, stone by stone as long as you take ALL your Muslim brethren with you.

Here`s a wikipedia link for this:

``The Taj Mahal incorporates and expands on many design traditions, particularly Hindu, Persian and earlier Mughal architecture. Specific inspiration came from a number of successful Timurid and Mughal buildings. These include the Gur-e Amir (the tomb of Timur, progenitor of the Mughal dynasty, in Samarkand),[5] Humayun`s Tomb, Itmad-Ud-Daulah`s Tomb (sometimes called the Baby Taj), and Shah Jahan`s own Jama Masjid in Delhi. Under his patronage, Mughal building reached new levels of refinement.[6] Whilst previous Mughal building had primarily been constructed of red sandstone, Shah Jahan promoted the use of white marble inlaid with semi-precious stones.

Hindu craftsmen, particularly sculptors and stonecutters, plied their trade throughout Asia during this period, and their skills were particularly sought after by tomb builders. Whilst the rock-cut architecture which characterises much of the construction of this period had little influence on the Taj Mahal (carvings are only one form of the decorative element), other Indian buildings such as the Man Singh palace in Gwalior were an inspiration for much Mughal palace architecture and the source for the chhatris which can be seen on the Taj Mahal.``

#302 by tolkinin

[Either you have changed your nick fronm Sanatiantini or no different in your blind fanatic outlook and consumed by hatred ]


This is the standard response from fanatical haters like yourself.

Instead of arguing on facts, you start calling names.

Before calling me names, first tell me what it is I wrote that is not factual.

Get rid of your fanatical hatred, and start dealing in facts.

The truth will set you free.

Re: # 300

krishna mian,

..... are you calling brother chauhan an apologist for a bedouin prophet ? ........ you almost had your first revert back to hindooism and you blew it ! ........... and i was almost ready to give you guys jammu and ladakh as long as you give me the valley, but now i too am having second thoughts ............ keep this up and i will be clamoring for the taj mahal - after all we built it

Muhiyal #282 I read your two posts where you assured people that most Pakistanis are not the ``urstruly and tahmed types``. While I dont care some individual whose hatreds and stupidity are obvious from his post (as in #300), after reading your posts I can see that you are an intelligent and well-meaning individual who sees people as people, not as ``hindu``, ``muslim`` or any such caricature.

Therefore, I am concerned what I have written that you find offensive (which is what you wrote seems to imply). I would very much appreciate your doing so, and I wish you all the best in any case.

#299 #200 Krishna

Either you have changed your nick fronm Sanatiantini or no different in your blind fanatic outlook and consumed by hatred

#298 Mr.Einstein are you r so nive to think that iNdia can implement computerised tracking of passengers adresses etc...In a country where 1/3 of passengers travel without any ticket including even platform ticket.....there is not will or intention of impementing any rule except when the enforcer has interst of lining his poc ket for which this rule would be god send......

#294 by Salim_Chauhan

[In my opinion this image is largely the result of those who formed the Islamic state in Median after the departure of the Holy Prophet (PBUH).]


This is the biggest lie perpetrated by the Islamic apologists.

The unholy prophet`s life was one unending saga of gory bloodletting, brutality, murder, mayhem, looting and rape. His followers and those who came later were only emulating him in this accursed cult of personality.

There are a million and one solid historical references for this that are agreed upon by ALL sources.

But without lying, the faithful cannot survive. So they keep lying.

#282 by Muhiyal

[I grew up as a Hindu in Pakistan and can assure you that most Pakistanis are nowhere close to the urstruly or tahmed types.]

Neither were the Germans in Nazi Germany. Most of them were decent people too, BUT members of the Nazi party. And therein lies the problem. As long as the Mein Kampf exists, and there is the personal example of Hitler, there will be skinheads all over the world. It took the very destructive 2nd World war to get rid of an ideology like Naziism. It will take something akin to that to rid the world of the evil that is Islam. As long as there is the Koran, and the personal example of Muhammad, this insidous cult will continue to exist.

I have met many decent Muslim Pakistanis. But I am yet to meet anyone who has never donated money in the Jehad boxes, or who does not support the Islamic ideology of a ``free`` Kashmir. Somehow EVERY Pakistani I have met insists that BECAUSE Kashmiri Muslims are in the majority, they can steamroll over the Hindu Kashmiris` wishes, and have their own Islamic state. ANY country with an area of Muslim majority ALWAYS has the same problem - that area wants to secede and create a separate Islamic majority state. Look at Thailand. Look at Burma(Myanmar). Look at China. Look at Russia. Keep watching Lebanon. In West Bengal, which because of vote-bank politics let in illegal Bangladeshis by the millions, the Muslims are already flexing their electoral muscle. Buddhadeb Bhattacharya has just bowed in to their demands of recognizing Urdu as the second most important language of the state. It`s all downhill from here - keep watching.

I know some Hindus from Pakistan. They have to be careful, depending where in Pakistan they are. They dare not flaunt their Hindu identity too much in many areas of the country, and in many parts of the cities.


[It may not make any difference to you though. The other sort, including I am sure whose deaths you are gloating over, would usually say only positive things about their stay in India upon their return.]

Yes, but they would also put their rupees in the Jehad boxes, wouldn`t they?

May be somebody will start a petition to the Mahaan Railway Minister Lallu Yadav of our Mahaan Bhaarat along following lines:

Most progressive nations of world have a means of identifying their citizens and visitors and provide a means for recording the address of their place of residence. This usually is a driver`s license, which grants a privilege to drive a motor vehicle on public roads. This is a privilege but not a right. Any time this privilege can be withdrawn. Most progressive countries have means to record violations of rules of driving motor vehicles and identifying persons and verifying their addresses. Since India does not have universal means of identifying and verifying addresses an introduction of such a system might face wide resistance. But the privilege of using public transport system operated by Central and State Governments for inter-state travel is not a right guaranteed by Constitution of India. Therefore, there is justification in regulating the travel by citizens who want to use State Owned inter-state transport services. One such restriction could be carrying a tamper-proof ``Proof of Identity`` such as a Photo-ID, which also provides current address. Such ``Proof of Identity`` could be a plastic card similar to a credit card which has on it secret markers to thwart its tampering. Some countries have developed technologies for producing such tamper-proof cards.

With this feedback I am requesting for consideration of a future law making it mandatory for anyone who wishes to travel by Indian Railways trains to carry such a ``Proof of Identity``. Initially this may be introduced for journeys to selected destinations only.

Subsequently this may be introduced for all the State Owned public transport enterprises for users of all inter-state travels. Right to travel remains intact because individuals would be entitled to travel by private transport services. But the privilege to use State Owned inter-state transport services will be regulated with rules, which would include carrying a ``Proof of Identity``. In my opinion such a limit on right to travel will not be found unconstitutional by courts.