Why Have This Train At All?

#127
Stop lying. I never said after any terrorist incident in India that Aasif must be happy that Indians died.

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Re: # 129
Simple, because I never expressed any desire to rejoice over the deaths of indians. You on the other hand have repeatedly expressed this desire (with some vague qualifier of the victims being elites or something). If I remember correctly somebody repeatedly was handing out rabies certificates to pakistanis on UP.

Aasif/Sadna,

At the risk of sounding completely condescending - would you guys please start
breathing ?

Aasif, Sadna, Zeemax, and Urstruly,
You people are disgusting. :(

Re: # 107

Ranjit:

I agree with you that India has very little and more to gain from this blast and killing.

If this the dastardly act of a hindu terrorist / fundamentalist group, this should group be equally vigorously pursued and prosecuted. I am confident there is enough strength in Indian justice system to not let go such a group unpursued or punished. There is greater transparency and many groups who would want such hindu fundamentalist identified and isolated. A group like this, thru such act, would be seen to destroy India more than making any other statement. Who would have thought Gandhi will be murdered by a hindu fanatic? Even then the times and circumstance were different, as indeed hindu and sikhs indeed suffered, and this time. I, therefore, do see your logical arguments, but life is hardly logical for a simple person, let alone for a fundamentalist. .

If a muslim fanatic group did it, and if it is not hushed, then I believe it has given a reason for India and Pakistan to cooperate to clean such groups out of Pakistan and India. Now they are killing Pakistanis in India and not just in NWFP, FATA etc.

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I dont know if trains in Pakistan can be locked from outside! This is laughable. No train in any part of the world can be locked from outside. No engineer worth his/her degree can design such a train door.

Indian train bogies are no different. There is a common handle that can be operated from outside as well as inside. Only the insider can lock the door with a hatch. The stupid Indian Railway official had difficulty is clarifying this simple point.

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``It is following the procedures which are in place but not followed.``

Precisely, that has Nothing to do with the menace supported by Pakistan for a quarter century. You keep missing the primary cause of the existence of jihadis. That`s your choice. I disagree completely.

#138 does one have to be a muslim to be a terrorist, brilliant one? i suppose hindu terrorism is merely pakistani propaganda.

further to #137: given that both hindu and muslim terrorists gain from this attack, it is obvious that those seeking to use this attack to point fingers at the other side are aiders and abettors of terrorists. In other words, the half-brained, cold-blooded bastards for whom human life takes the back seat to their stupid politics, the ones I refer to in #137. Examples of these are to be easily found on this board.

tahmed32: what?

Sadna,

Arrey, why are you being needlessly combative ?

dullabhati/119 - on Pakistani side, the distance is not covered by soldiers on horseback like on India side, but checked by static forces about 50 feet apart. The railway track on the Pakistani side is very badly maintained, the culverts are collapsing and there is no ballast stone left, on the border-Wagah stretch. On the Wagah-LaHore stretch, maximum speed is 40 kmph and often trin slows to a crawl of 10-15 kmph due to lack of track maintenance.

sadna/116 - the train doors are certainly not locked from outside - but the wagons are solidly loaded with cargo/goods so movement becomes difficult. Also, much of what is inside is combustible/flammable. This is an inherent part of a train which is 80% occupied by the poorer Pakistanis and 20% by the poorer Indians, travelling to Pakistan with everything they can lay their hands on and returning with dry fruits. Much of the cargo is also allowed because the stuff is given religious significance. (The dry fruit is often declared as ``prasad`` and the plastics/medicines/chemicals from India are often declared as ``gifts from Ajmer/fallanah hazrat/etc``

(The richer passengers use the flights - a 747-777-310/PIA and a 320/IC from Delhi, a 777-747-310/PIA and a 320-/UL from Mumbai - which often go full - so that gives you an idea of the loads, as well as by the many buses that now cross . . . ) 500-700 of the poorest then are left for the trains. As I have repeatedly said, go to Wagah, go to LaHore RS when this train comes in and speak to the 3-wheeler drivers. I did.

plays8 and others - ofcourse people cooked on this train. As they do on many trains in Pakistan, mentioned here by my worthy Pakistani colleagues, and in some trains in India. Though it has come down in India after some fires a few years ago.

Get a perspective - it is mostly the poor from India Pakistan who travel on this train, who carry their own stoves and utensils, and buy fresh food to cook all over the place. In addition, much of the additional baggage is overlooked for the obvious reasons. See a Hajj flight or a pilgrim train to understand better.

delhiwala/57 - It would be easy to make the Samjhauta security and checking at Delhi RS a fraction of the way the Delhi-Lahore or ex-Amritsar/Kashmir buses to Pakistan are checked. But my point is simple - this train was and is designed for smuggling. That - and the kind of baggage carried by passengers/angadiyas/others - just makes this sort of attack easier.

Is there a Hindutva Ahmedabad link here?