Veeresh Malik February 19, 2007
#49 Posted by zeemax on February 20, 2007 10:26:44 am
#46 by zeemax
And Urstruly .. don`t forget ... when the MQM took on the pakhtuns in North Karachi hills .. there were rows of dead bodies of these goons lining the streets. MQM doesn`t even nearly match the firepower elsewhere ....
And Urstruly .. don`t forget ... when the MQM took on the pakhtuns in North Karachi hills .. there were rows of dead bodies of these goons lining the streets. MQM doesn`t even nearly match the firepower elsewhere ....
#50 Posted by Urstruly on February 20, 2007 10:27:42 am
Re: # 44
Jinahabad is promoted as an independent city state establsihed in Karachi with a possible inclusion of Hyderabad; just like Hong Kong or Singapore. It was vehemently being promoted by MQM as an alternative free trade city during the days when status of HongKong vis a vis Britain and China was still unsettled. The name ``Jinahabad`` was chosen for obvious reasons- one reason being to pacify the moderate and patriot faction of Mohajirs. The western colonialists, drug dealers, smugglers, russian hookers and other deviant creatures preferred Dubai instead when MQM divided into two factions and pitted against each other in a civil war during 90s. The first civil war started in 1985 when MQM started its conserted campaign of ethnic cleansing of every other ethnic group from Karachi. It continued until 93-94 until Benazir ended it with military intervention. The second civil war started in 1994-95 between two MQM factions and continued well into 1999-2000 when military dictatorship made a political agreement with Altaf group and crushed the other using brutal state machinery as a payout for Altaf group`s support for dictatorship.
Jinahabad is promoted as an independent city state establsihed in Karachi with a possible inclusion of Hyderabad; just like Hong Kong or Singapore. It was vehemently being promoted by MQM as an alternative free trade city during the days when status of HongKong vis a vis Britain and China was still unsettled. The name ``Jinahabad`` was chosen for obvious reasons- one reason being to pacify the moderate and patriot faction of Mohajirs. The western colonialists, drug dealers, smugglers, russian hookers and other deviant creatures preferred Dubai instead when MQM divided into two factions and pitted against each other in a civil war during 90s. The first civil war started in 1985 when MQM started its conserted campaign of ethnic cleansing of every other ethnic group from Karachi. It continued until 93-94 until Benazir ended it with military intervention. The second civil war started in 1994-95 between two MQM factions and continued well into 1999-2000 when military dictatorship made a political agreement with Altaf group and crushed the other using brutal state machinery as a payout for Altaf group`s support for dictatorship.
#51 Posted by zeemax on February 20, 2007 10:27:50 am
... Even you wrote an unforgettable article about that ... remember?
#52 Posted by zeemax on February 20, 2007 10:30:28 am
Urstruly what was that other guy`s name? I forget ... whatever became of him? Who had made Landhi into a no go zone ... and torture cells ... where is he now?
#53 Posted by Urstruly on February 20, 2007 10:33:37 am
Re: # 52
The group was the Afaq group. Don`t remember the full name. I think he (Afaq) is currently living somewhere in Lahore or Islamabad on ``pension`` from military dictatorship - you know, just in case.
The group was the Afaq group. Don`t remember the full name. I think he (Afaq) is currently living somewhere in Lahore or Islamabad on ``pension`` from military dictatorship - you know, just in case.
#54 Posted by zeemax on February 20, 2007 10:50:54 am
#53 by Urstruly
Yes .. Afaq ... he was supposed to be a terror right? He was head of the MQM terrorists, but seperated and neutralized. He was given Landhi for some time to kill the other MQM types, and when he was done, he was neutered like a dog.
Yes .. Afaq ... he was supposed to be a terror right? He was head of the MQM terrorists, but seperated and neutralized. He was given Landhi for some time to kill the other MQM types, and when he was done, he was neutered like a dog.
#55 Posted by zeemax on February 20, 2007 10:52:32 am
... All this is for consumption of MQM wannabes like hassanmahmood .. so their eyes shut with shit are opened ...
#56 Posted by Urstruly on February 20, 2007 10:58:54 am
Re: # 54
I don`t think he is neutered per se. Both militia factions of MQM were created by military establishment to serve its own pupose. The Afaq militia (MQM Haqeeqee) was created when Altaf (Mutahidda) forgot his auqaat of former police informer and started considering himself as a leader.
I do not consider any of the enemies of Paksitan as weak or irrelevant. As the proverb goes, a worthless blade of grass may render you helpless if it gets into your eye. The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.
I don`t think he is neutered per se. Both militia factions of MQM were created by military establishment to serve its own pupose. The Afaq militia (MQM Haqeeqee) was created when Altaf (Mutahidda) forgot his auqaat of former police informer and started considering himself as a leader.
I do not consider any of the enemies of Paksitan as weak or irrelevant. As the proverb goes, a worthless blade of grass may render you helpless if it gets into your eye. The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.
#57 Posted by delhiwala on February 20, 2007 11:08:10 am
Mr Malik,
While I understand your frustration at the Stations, expecially since you a rich person used to travelling by Air. But being connected with some law enforcement relatives, I cannot agree with you.
You are summarily dismissing the whole train as Smuggling Train, this is so wrong and insult to BSF and Punjab Police. Yes, there is room for improvement, but it is a known fact that most of the people who take these trains are poor Pakistanis (Bihari/UP types known for smuggling) and they on the return leg they are known for smuggling goods. Maybe they could simply install X-ray machines to screen things with Customs help.
None the less, situation is not so bad as you have portrayed.
While I understand your frustration at the Stations, expecially since you a rich person used to travelling by Air. But being connected with some law enforcement relatives, I cannot agree with you.
You are summarily dismissing the whole train as Smuggling Train, this is so wrong and insult to BSF and Punjab Police. Yes, there is room for improvement, but it is a known fact that most of the people who take these trains are poor Pakistanis (Bihari/UP types known for smuggling) and they on the return leg they are known for smuggling goods. Maybe they could simply install X-ray machines to screen things with Customs help.
None the less, situation is not so bad as you have portrayed.
#58 Posted by arjun2 on February 20, 2007 11:25:59 am
#56 by Urstruly on February 20, 2007 10:58am PT
The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.
eternal vigilance in dearborn michigan?
The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.
eternal vigilance in dearborn michigan?
#59 Posted by zeemax on February 20, 2007 11:26:18 am
#56 by Urstruly
...forgot his auqaat of former police informer and started considering himself as a leader.
As the proverb goes, a worthless blade of grass may render you helpless if it gets into your eye. The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.
These are great words Urstruly. Thanks.
...forgot his auqaat of former police informer and started considering himself as a leader.
As the proverb goes, a worthless blade of grass may render you helpless if it gets into your eye. The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.
These are great words Urstruly. Thanks.
#60 Posted by zeemax on February 20, 2007 11:28:50 am
#59
But then again ... we must not reveal too much to these lowly hindoos here. So subject closed. I think hassanmehmood would have got the message.
But then again ... we must not reveal too much to these lowly hindoos here. So subject closed. I think hassanmehmood would have got the message.
#61 Posted by Raw_Dust on February 20, 2007 12:37:07 pm
zeemax:
were you running Pakistan Army`s Karachi show in the 80s and 90s when they unleashed a soft-Taliban(MQM) on Karachiites? Polarized karachi public, sponsored a civil war (thanx to excess supply of Kalashankovs and drug money from their other Venture, the Afghanistan Jihad Co.), manipulated parliament by manipulating MQM block in Parliament?
I mean, you sitting in some safe and sound `burb somewhere making grand statements about Karachi, you need to haul your ol` wrinkly ass over to Korangi or Orangi Town and let`s see you pull out this BS. Your burrhuks are just getting way out of hand....
were you running Pakistan Army`s Karachi show in the 80s and 90s when they unleashed a soft-Taliban(MQM) on Karachiites? Polarized karachi public, sponsored a civil war (thanx to excess supply of Kalashankovs and drug money from their other Venture, the Afghanistan Jihad Co.), manipulated parliament by manipulating MQM block in Parliament?
I mean, you sitting in some safe and sound `burb somewhere making grand statements about Karachi, you need to haul your ol` wrinkly ass over to Korangi or Orangi Town and let`s see you pull out this BS. Your burrhuks are just getting way out of hand....
#62 Posted by bjkumar on February 20, 2007 12:40:45 pm
[Why Have This Train At All?]
So that we can continue to work on the deep-rooted hatred which takes the form of destruction we saw take place in this instance.
A moving train – even one that gets occasionally blown up – is better than a stagnant mindset!
Regarding lax security – perhaps it is time to consider the privatization of the Indian Railways – ANYONE ought to be able to do a better job than the current jokers in-charge!
#64 Posted by Raw_Dust on February 20, 2007 12:44:20 pm
``The Afaq militia (MQM Haqeeqee) was created when Altaf (Mutahidda) forgot his auqaat of former police informer and started considering himself as a leader.``
Urstruly:
respectfully, but Pakistan Army`s officer class, the SOBs coming out of Kakul and Risalpur, are kind of auqaat-less, dont ya think? Mujeeb neutered them by making their nemesis to do the deed for him. That was like lowest of the low.
Urstruly:
respectfully, but Pakistan Army`s officer class, the SOBs coming out of Kakul and Risalpur, are kind of auqaat-less, dont ya think? Mujeeb neutered them by making their nemesis to do the deed for him. That was like lowest of the low.
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