Pandora Box of Television in Pakistan

Urstruly (#79),

You are chasing your own tail here.

One does not have to believe in your barbaric god in order to have a moralistic frame of reference. An atheist may hold ethics to be self-evident truth, and that’s the end of discussion for him. In which case you are barking up the wrong tree.

You may ascribe morality to a higher power, who according to an atheist, is nothing more than a figment of your own imagination (no seriously … how else do you explain people flying at night above clouds to meet god …? Do you see absurdity of your own beliefs …?).

One may justifiably question mercy and justice of a god who wants to have apostates killed. Apparently his prophet had people killed for merely making fun of him. Where does this religiosity lead a person? To hatred and self-pity, no?

Look at your own example. You lectured your friend and his family about importance of salaat. On the other hand, here you are, with lowered gazes (cough, cough), faithfully recording a lewd row between two prostitutes, which you would later play back to entertain your buddies. What does this say about your own sense of shame and morality? If this is what “god” has done to you, then perhaps atheism is not a bad option.

If a person retains civility in his thoughts and actions, any school of thought he ascribes to is well and good. If he has turned into a hateful lunatic, no belief in god is doing him any good. And yes, truth of this statement is self-evident.

Re: # 82

tahmed,

........... if cnn, fox and other `cheapsters` are going gaga over anna nocole smith there must be a market for this stuff - so more power to them ! ....... it is not as if they are selling drugged candy to elementary school kids ......... look, like i have been saying, different strokes for differnent folks - who am i to pass judgement or make decisions on what people should watch or shouldn`t watch .............. as long as there is more than one channel on tv people like urstruly and his sidekick mullah zeemax have no right to whine - if they don`t like it, they can move to saudi arabia and suck on a camel`s teat .......... god knows if we wer ever to let them run the show we would be stuck with bearded mullahs and their niqabed women performing unnatural acts on tv five times a day !

....... and it is very easy for old foggies like you and i to fall into the age old trap of saying silly things like ``tv was so much cleaner and better in our time`` ........... bullshit !......... yea, and ata was eight annas a maund and there was no air pollution but half the kids died before the age of five !

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Re: # 81

urstruly,

...... raising your voice against those who call for stoning a woman is not the same as screaming for her to be stoned - there is a subtle difference that the religious right does not quite understand .......

#59 hamidm: i agree that there is a lot of great TV as well. There is the Science Channel, the History Channel, the National Geographic, and the great stuff that sometimes comes on the Public Broadcasting Channel. I havent followed the Anna Nicole Smith circus for more than a few mintes on cnn (honest!!), but did watch Jon Stewart (another great TV show) demonstrate how cnn, fox and other cheapsters were milking this circus.

Re: # 80

Then you shouldn`t be doing what you want others not to do either

Re: # 79

urstruly,

..... i am not going to debate the virtues of homosexaulity and candy-eating with you ........ all i was trying to point out is that people who raise shrill and loud voices against `sin` are usually doing it to cover up their own tortured feelings of guilt as in the ted haggard and jimmy swaggert .........

Re: # 72

Bhai it is you who is twisting your own words. Just because you say that hypocisy is bad doesn`t make it so. In this age of reason what is `good` and `bad`. everything is relevant. So I advise you to refrain from this mullah terminology of good, bad and evil.

Now please explain to me how could you say that Ted haggard is a bad person. All he did was that he used to tell people to not do something (homosexuality), which is neither immoral nor illegal while doing it himself. Isn`t it like someone telling other not to eat candy while eating it himself. Is eating candy a crime or is it bad? I don`t think so. And so is not eating the candy. He is not hurting anyone, he is not stealing candy from anyone. Its not that anyone has ever died by not having candy. So if Ted tells me not to share tender moments with another man while he keeps doing it himself, instead of calling him a bad person I should expolre the reason why he is doing that. Probably he makes his living by doing that. Its not that I would leave my sleep over not having shared the bed with another man or anything. Similarly why would Clinton be a bad person when neither fornication nor adultery is a crime; it isn`t immoral either because morality or immorality has nho place in the age of reason. Clinton only lied because he would have lost his job because of vicious republicans. So he did the right and reaonable thing by lying. His lies were a victim less crime or a crime less crime.

Re: # 77

zeena,

``I mean what an embarrassement for a woman who was not even sure of her daughter`s exact paternity``

........ but think about it, mary was not sure about her son`s paternity either ........

#56 zeemax sahib

This is the beauty of American tv that all of us are free to watch whatever. This is choose and pick.

I agree with you that anna nicole`s case is just shameful. I mean what an embarrassement for a woman who was not even sure of her daughter`s exact paternity.

All of a sudden all these shameless people appearing from every creek and corner for claiming the paternity. Anna nicole in my opinion was sleazy, drugged up bimbo who slept almost with every Tom, Dick and Harry.............

Pakistani and India TVs give me nothing but headaches.

urstruly lowers his gaze when he sees women...so he swings the other way? dayyyumn...what`s he going to do with his 72 virgins then?

#74 now this is an incident Urstruly would have captured better with his lowered gaze and raised video camera.:-)

Re: #39

Years ago when I was in Kashmir, I happened to witness a pow wow between two Kashmiri women. As the verbal fight went on and got more intense, one of the women held one of her breasts with both her hands and shook it vigorously in the direction of her opponent at the same time issuing forth a lot of hot words which could only be surmised as expletives.
Can any Kashmiri Chowki throw light on the significance of this kind of gesturing? I was told it is a gesture often employed by Kashmiri women during their scraps with other women.

Re: # 72

urstruly,

....... even though jesus might have said ``he that is without sin among you, let him cast the first stone at her,” i think my father put it much much better whwn he was lecturing me on the harmful effects of smoking:

``he who does not have a bad habit is either an angel or a chootiya``

Re: # 71

urstruly,

..... don`t twist my words - i did say that embezzling was a crime, afterall it is another word for stealing .......... being gay is not a crime, but bashing gays is a crime and it is even worse if you are a gay yourself .........

.......... if it makes you feel any better, i put bill clinton and bill bennet in the same category ........ sex with a fat girl is not a crime and neither is gambling, but lying about it is (even though, personally i fnd one distasteful and the other sutpid) .....

Re: # 69

``they were bad people only because they said one thing and did another``


So in other words it is not a certain act that makes a person a bad person but lying about it does. For according to your standards, ted has become a fine person now since he has confessed being a gay. For all intent and purpose you shouldn`t be complaining about him now, shouldn`t you.

And in case of Bakker, he would have been a fine person too had he told everybody in advance that he was going to embezzel money from Church. Emebezzling is not a bad act, but lying about it is. Yep, the world would have been a better place had the emezzlers told in advance what they were going to do.