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#160 by tahmed32

Aah soooo ... so these are now mood swings, that is all.

A BBC poll of BBC World Service poll of 26,000 people in 25 countries (mostly non-Arab) is a `mood swing`.

And Pakistan indeed has retired army officers and pin-head journalists sitting in washington with their heads in the sand looking for faults - and I`ve now found that BBC is Pakistani, as well as VOA which reported it. Aaah soooo ...

I believe you Sir. Please do not exert yourself any further. Its bad for health you know ...

#161 You missed the point I am making. If polls can swing from 40% to 29% in two years, that does not mean that the US has lost 11% of its strength (institutions, values, economic capacity) as a result. Indeed, the US economy remains strong, its political institutions are robust (as shown by the route of the republicans in the last elections), its education institutions remain among the finest on earth, its justice system works far better than anything in Pakistan, and the US remains the beacon for individual freedom and liberty that it has been for the past 200 years.

Leave it to the pinheads to point to trivialities like the nicole smith case or opinion polls and ignore the vastly more relevant factors. Even the Indians, after messing around with the anti-US soviet bloc for several decades, have finally figured this out - it is not for nothing that Pakistan-hating individuals like arjun and his predecessor jay thakeray i was referring to are always equating India with the US while trying to paint Pakistan as a US-hating country. As they say, a fool does the same thing as a wise man, but only much later in time and after causing himself a lot of avoidable damage.

You can keep on thinking the way ill-wishers of Pakistan would like more and more Pakistanis to think, or you can read the writing on the wall.

Zeemax #161,

If you break up the poll into detractors, the largest detractor (and the only one,
essentially) is the Iraq war. The US has handled the war dreadfully, lied from the
beginning and tried to put a spin on events that cannot be spun. It is almost solely
due to the current white house, which seems singularly unable to distinguish policy
from politics (e.g. sending Karl Rove to do an policy wonk`s job). This, coupled with
the unilateralism that the neo-cons love and preach, is why the poll numbers are bad.

But once a policy change is brought about (which the dems can hopefully do), and
the same poll is done a year from now, the numbers will look very different. That is
the problem with polls like this which are skewed by one event dramatically; they
can be undone equally dramatically.

TALKING ABOUT SURVEYS:
World opinion on America goes from bad to worse.

What about world opinion of lets say China? ……….Why!
World opinion of Pakistan? …………………Where is it?
World opinion of Russia? …………………….Who cares.

First of all the validity of the surveys in all these lands is dubious, because of data manipulation. Next there is nothing worth reporting as nobody gives a damn. Only surveys are about America, because America matters. It is like that beacon of light, that town shining on the hill, that last hope of mankind. So whenever America falters, makes a mistake, everybody is on it, most of all America itself. From Washington DC to Tokyo, from Cape Town to Reykjavic – ask anybody and they will have an opinion (albeit a strong one) about George Bush, about America and about the Oscars.

Tehsinabbasi sahib # 164

You hit the nail rite on the head. I believe almost all surveys are biased. And when something is much biased it loses it`s validity/credibility.

Re: # 162 Tahmed

“…while trying to paint Pakistan as a US-hating country…”

I could not agree with you more, especially after reading this from the NY Times, Pakistanis love USA . Go down to the 2nd page and read this delectable piece, ‘his (Musharraf) awareness that many Pakistani people — and the intelligence service — have strong sympathies for Al Qaeda and the resurgent Taliban.’
QED. Ciao.

#162 by tahmed32 on February 26, 2007 12:38pm PT


while trying to paint Pakistan as a US-hating country.


Prophet tahmed(peace be unto your self-righteous butt cheeks): 65% of pakis, that`s almost 2 out of 3, have a negative opinion of the US...the US government has declared Pakiland to be a non-family posting i.e. not safe for the families of US diplomats and embassy staff...just today, Dick stopped by to read mushy the riot act...

Anti-US feelings soar among Muslims

Percentage with unfavourable view of US in 2005 (all increased since 9/11 except where indicated: Saudi Arabia 79 percent, Jordan 65 percent, Morocco 49 percent, Iran 52 percent (down from 63 percent in 2001), and Pakistan 65 percent (down from 69 percent in 2001).

#162 by tahmed32 re #161

If polls can swing from 40% to 29% in two years, that does not mean that the US has lost 11% of its strength (institutions, values, economic capacity) as a result.

The quoted polls have nothing to do with the measure of US strengths. They have everything to do with whether the world regards those strengths having a positive or negative influence in the world. The results are that these strengths are overwhelmingly perceived as having a negative influence.

Indeed, the US economy remains strong ...

The point is moot because a strong economy is not a value system or a moral example.

... its political institutions are robust (as shown by the route of the republicans in the last elections)

You forget it is the same political system which brought the current administration to power through a controversial count and the Supreme court Chief Justice`s ruling who happened to have been handpicked by the incumbent`s father, resulting in the Mayor of London refusing to greet the US President Bush on a State Visit because in his view he was unelected.

... its education institutions remain among the finest on earth...

For business studies and hard sciences, yes. For arts, literature, social sciences and other soft disciplines, no. The latter are the best in UK, France, and Canada. You can`t say what kind of disiplines are more `education` than the other.

... its justice system works far better than anything in Pakistan ..

Who is comparing US with Pakistan?

However if you compare it with the European justice system, there is simply no comparison. Besides, an example of the US justice system is given above. There is another one where Guantanamo continues to operate despite the Supreme Court having declared its military tribunals as illegal.

... and the US remains the beacon for individual freedom and liberty that it has been for the past 200 years.

That`s the most ridiculous comment I`ve ever seen. If you had said it remains the beacon of `Manifest Destiny` for the white races; which you wholeheartedly and honestly believe to be true, fair and just; I would accept that without further ado. But a beacon for freedom and liberty? Gimme a break here. Noone believes that after the Monroe Doctrine which I guess was within the 200 years you speak of... not even mentioning Iraq.

The United States of America is nothing but a shallow and deceitful `drama` which has played itself out on the world stage, and now stands fully exposed as an empty shell of a society. No one is fooled by its pretenses anymore.

:~)

#168 whatever you say boss. (sigh!)

#164 TehsinAbbasi: Agreed. In 19th century europe, a young prussian prince was often sought out as the target of attacks by the other boys. When asked by the teacher why they were always picking on him, the response was ``Because we want to be able to say that we kicked the future king.``

Not a very precise analogy to what you mention in your post, I agree, but indicative of the underlying problem.

Re: # 164

No one would have given a shit about US either, had it not have a habbit of invading one country per year and causing genocides there. For example, in Iraq alone in three years three quarters of million people have perished and about 3 million refugees are sitting in neighboring countries. Same thing is with Afghanistan where close to half a million have persihed and about 6 million refugees are sitting in neighboring countries. And what really irks people out of their pajamas around the globe is the Americas self proclaimation of champions of high morality despite all this murder and mayhem. Frankly, what right a country has to be champion of women rights, for example, when according to their own FBI statistics a woman is raped every 20 seconds in America. Yes it is true that some people have blinding hatered for every thing american, especially those whose women and childrens they have slaughtered without mercy, but overwhelming majority around the globe find them repulsive and abhorent due to the simple fact that no one likes arrogant fukks.

#171 ``No one would have given a shit about US either, had it not have a habbit of invading one country per year and causing genocides there``

When you gave a shit about the US, actually much more than that - when you stood in line humbly with your application form for a US visa - you did that for the above reason then? :-)

Re: # 172

I must confess again, as I have done before that, I was beguiled and misled by the American propaganda, when I I immigrated. I was young and naive too. Had I known what I became aware of only with in a year of landing here I would have never come here.

... one quality I missed about americans is that a large measure of them are sodomites, gays and lesbians. A great virtue for them, negating the very basis of family values which they pretend to uphold.

#172 by tahmed32

You can`t do much else but resort to ad-hominem.

#173 by Urstruly

It is gracious of you to respond honestly to an ad-hominem attack. I too was lured by the propaganda, but left in six months when I saw the `real` USA, up close and deep inside various communities including blacks and red indians. I saw the moral bankruptcy of the rich and the wayward directionless, hopeless poor. I discovered that USA sux.

Indeed, that`s the first thing I noticed when I landed for the very first time at JFK. On the entire side of a building was written ``Eagles suck``. I discovered though that it was about a football team but still wondered what `suck` meant? It wasn`t long before I found out what it meant when I reached manhattan and went down into the subway and a teenage girl was doing the `suck` to her boyfriend right in the open just a flight of stairs down. It was reconfirmed when I made the mistake of visiting the toilet and a muscular gent lurking there offered tyo `suck` me as well .. And that was just the start.

After that there was no doubt. It is a nation of penis `suckers`.

Above is all true. Cross my heart and hope to die :~)

#173 by Urstruly

It is gracious of you to respond honestly to an ad-hominem attack. I too was lured by the propaganda, but left in six months when I saw the `real` USA, up close and deep inside various communities including blacks and of red indian descent. I saw the moral bankruptcy of the rich and the wayward directionless, hopeless poor. I discovered that USA sux.

Indeed, that`s the first thing I noticed when I landed for the very first time at JFK. On the entire side of a building was written ``Eagles suck``. I discovered though that it was about a football team but still wondered what `suck` meant? It wasn`t long before I found out what it meant when I reached manhattan and went down into the subway and a teenage girl was doing the `suck` to her boyfriend right in the open just a flight of stairs down. It was reconfirmed when I made the mistake of visiting the toilet and a muscular gent lurking there offered to `suck` me as well .. And that was just the start.

After that there was no doubt. It is a nation of penis `suckers`.

Above is all true. Cross my heart and hope to die :~)