India: Is Growth Coming at Expense of Development
Aparna Pande February 21, 2007
#17 Posted by bjkumar on February 22, 2007 6:40:05 pm
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#18 Posted by TOLKININ on February 22, 2007 8:36:50 pm
#4 If she can have the answer to vast and insurmountable problems of deloping countries she might as well be a nobel laurette herself
#19 Posted by harimau on February 23, 2007 2:50:03 am
Typical crap from the Jawaharlal Nehru School of Economics.
If the agricultural sector in India doesn`t improve its productivty, the rest of India will have to pay the price by having lower economic growth.
Does anybody compel these people to breed like pigs, use antiquated techniques for farming? No!
These idiots are dinosaurs doomed to extinction. They will all starve to death or, if they have the brains, commit suicide.
Do Punjab, Gujarat, Tamil Nadu, etc., show 2.7% growth? That 2.7% number is averaged across all of India, including pathetic places like Orissa and the BIMARU states.
The fact is the Nehruvian model is designed to keep people poor and voting for the Congress party. What the author can`t stand is that at least in some states, people are not buyig into this bullsh!t any longer. That also means the break-up of the Congress` stranglehold on power.
Eat a reality cookie. It is good for you.
If the agricultural sector in India doesn`t improve its productivty, the rest of India will have to pay the price by having lower economic growth.
Does anybody compel these people to breed like pigs, use antiquated techniques for farming? No!
These idiots are dinosaurs doomed to extinction. They will all starve to death or, if they have the brains, commit suicide.
Do Punjab, Gujarat, Tamil Nadu, etc., show 2.7% growth? That 2.7% number is averaged across all of India, including pathetic places like Orissa and the BIMARU states.
The fact is the Nehruvian model is designed to keep people poor and voting for the Congress party. What the author can`t stand is that at least in some states, people are not buyig into this bullsh!t any longer. That also means the break-up of the Congress` stranglehold on power.
Eat a reality cookie. It is good for you.
#20 Posted by anokhi on February 23, 2007 3:51:41 am
Hi Harimau,
what`s a BIMARU state?
Or perhaps..which ones are the BIMARU states?
what`s a BIMARU state?
Or perhaps..which ones are the BIMARU states?
#21 Posted by harish_hyd on February 23, 2007 5:13:58 am
#20 by anokhi
what`s a BIMARU state?
Bihar, Madhya Pradesh, Rajasthan, and Uttar Pradesh put together are known as the BIMARU states. These states are the most under-developed parts of India (lately Jharkhand, carved out of Bihar and Chattisgarh, carved out of Madhya Pradesh also qualify to be among them) and hence the very apt acronym.
what`s a BIMARU state?
Bihar, Madhya Pradesh, Rajasthan, and Uttar Pradesh put together are known as the BIMARU states. These states are the most under-developed parts of India (lately Jharkhand, carved out of Bihar and Chattisgarh, carved out of Madhya Pradesh also qualify to be among them) and hence the very apt acronym.
#22 Posted by TOLKININ on February 23, 2007 7:27:07 am
#19 #20
India is composed of ALL the states under its dominion....article is not of any particular region or state...to give an e.g. of some so called ``advanced States``is to accept the only 1 st divisioner as your student in your college as your responsibilty and worship only the sucesfull one..besids the bimaru states constitutes .if according to your disdain bengal with 2.7 growth is included ..then what is left of india ,minority glitz of Banglore and Mumbai which hardly is India which lived in 5 crores villages atleast at the time of indias independence some of whom b/c of attitude of your arrogance form the slums in metro of Delhi and Dharavi the biggest slum right in your prosperous Mumbai
India is composed of ALL the states under its dominion....article is not of any particular region or state...to give an e.g. of some so called ``advanced States``is to accept the only 1 st divisioner as your student in your college as your responsibilty and worship only the sucesfull one..besids the bimaru states constitutes .if according to your disdain bengal with 2.7 growth is included ..then what is left of india ,minority glitz of Banglore and Mumbai which hardly is India which lived in 5 crores villages atleast at the time of indias independence some of whom b/c of attitude of your arrogance form the slums in metro of Delhi and Dharavi the biggest slum right in your prosperous Mumbai
#23 Posted by harimau on February 23, 2007 9:29:11 am
Ref tolkinin #22
[....minority glitz of Banglore and Mumbai which hardly is India which lived in 5 crores villages atleast at the time of indias independence some of whom b/c of attitude of your arrogance form the slums in metro of Delhi and Dharavi the biggest slum right in your prosperous Mumbai]
Those slums GREW under the Nehruvian socialist model.
I have a right to be arrogant because I didn`t fall into the trap of feeling sorry for myself and look for handouts.
We now have glitzy malls and super apartment complexes in Bombay because we are not willing to put up with crapola socialist/communist policies.
[....minority glitz of Banglore and Mumbai which hardly is India which lived in 5 crores villages atleast at the time of indias independence some of whom b/c of attitude of your arrogance form the slums in metro of Delhi and Dharavi the biggest slum right in your prosperous Mumbai]
Those slums GREW under the Nehruvian socialist model.
I have a right to be arrogant because I didn`t fall into the trap of feeling sorry for myself and look for handouts.
We now have glitzy malls and super apartment complexes in Bombay because we are not willing to put up with crapola socialist/communist policies.
#24 Posted by TOLKININ on February 23, 2007 10:22:21 am
In today`s India, that sense of a shared destiny has been seriously eroded. The poor are seen as a drag on our society, an embarrassment to be got rid of or wished away out of sight. For example, when people from destitute farm families are forced off their lands to come in search of meager livelihoods in cities, and are compelled to live on footpaths and in slums, not just the urban educated elite but also most of our policy makers and administrators see them as a menace and a source of urban squalor. They forget that the domestic help and the gardeners and chauffeurs they hire, and the tailors, plumbers, electricians and auto- and cycle-rickshaw pullers whose services they use on a regular basis at abysmally low wage rates, all reside in these slums.
The increasing emotional gap between the urban elite and the rural population is even more glaring. It is fairly common for instance, for our national newspapers to report untimely rains in mid-April with the headline: “Welcome showers in North India bring down temperatures” – without realising that the mid-April showers that the urbanites welcome signify the destruction of ready-to-harvest crops and great economic distress for our already impoverished farmers
The increasing emotional gap between the urban elite and the rural population is even more glaring. It is fairly common for instance, for our national newspapers to report untimely rains in mid-April with the headline: “Welcome showers in North India bring down temperatures” – without realising that the mid-April showers that the urbanites welcome signify the destruction of ready-to-harvest crops and great economic distress for our already impoverished farmers
#25 Posted by TOLKININ on February 23, 2007 5:45:35 pm
#19 Harimou
``These idiots are dinosaurs doomed to extinction. They will all starve to death or, if they have the brains, commit suicide.
Do Punjab, Gujarat, Tamil Nadu, etc., show 2.7% growth
Over 5,200 suicides in one year
GANDHINAGAR: Here`s a shocking piece of statistic an average 14 people killed themselves in Gujarat everyday last year!
An alarming 5,288 people committed suicide between January 1, 2006, and January 31, 2007, in Gujarat, according to figures released by the state government in the budget session of the Assembly on Friday.
What`s more, there were 20 incidents where victims committed suicide after killing other members of their families. Men, it turns out, were more desperate to take the extreme step as compared to women.
Of the 5,288 people who committed suicide, only 526 were women, with maximum 50 women killing themselves in Ahmedabad. Nineteen women committed suicide in Rajkot city, 15 in Surat and 12 in Vadodara.
Congress MLA from Dehgam Jagdish Thakore raised the question in the state Assembly as to how many cases of individual and `family suicides` were registered in the state in the past one year.
Thakore alleged that moneylenders who unabashedly got gullible people in their clutches by charging a exorbitantly high rates of interest were mainly responsible for pushing people to suicide.
Meanwhile, experts said that the high number of people committing suicide despite the state`s booming economy and steady stock market could be attributed to greater aspirations and expectations of people.
``Due to rapid urbanisation and easy access to loans, a lot of people are falling prey to debts. Moreover, in personal relationships too, tolerance levels have reduced,`` said psychiatrist Hansal Bhachech.
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``These idiots are dinosaurs doomed to extinction. They will all starve to death or, if they have the brains, commit suicide.
Do Punjab, Gujarat, Tamil Nadu, etc., show 2.7% growth
Over 5,200 suicides in one year
GANDHINAGAR: Here`s a shocking piece of statistic an average 14 people killed themselves in Gujarat everyday last year!
An alarming 5,288 people committed suicide between January 1, 2006, and January 31, 2007, in Gujarat, according to figures released by the state government in the budget session of the Assembly on Friday.
What`s more, there were 20 incidents where victims committed suicide after killing other members of their families. Men, it turns out, were more desperate to take the extreme step as compared to women.
Of the 5,288 people who committed suicide, only 526 were women, with maximum 50 women killing themselves in Ahmedabad. Nineteen women committed suicide in Rajkot city, 15 in Surat and 12 in Vadodara.
Congress MLA from Dehgam Jagdish Thakore raised the question in the state Assembly as to how many cases of individual and `family suicides` were registered in the state in the past one year.
Thakore alleged that moneylenders who unabashedly got gullible people in their clutches by charging a exorbitantly high rates of interest were mainly responsible for pushing people to suicide.
Meanwhile, experts said that the high number of people committing suicide despite the state`s booming economy and steady stock market could be attributed to greater aspirations and expectations of people.
``Due to rapid urbanisation and easy access to loans, a lot of people are falling prey to debts. Moreover, in personal relationships too, tolerance levels have reduced,`` said psychiatrist Hansal Bhachech.
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#26 Posted by nb on February 23, 2007 6:14:48 pm
Re: # 25
Percentage wise, that`s not a lot, though it does sound callous to say this. Australia has a population of about 20 million, and had about 2100 suicides in 2004.
If Gujarat has a population of 55 million, 5288 suicides might be expected with the same trends.
This does not take away from the fact that even one suicide is a tragedy that affects dozens of people. Let us not use this tragedy to attack the government.
Percentage wise, that`s not a lot, though it does sound callous to say this. Australia has a population of about 20 million, and had about 2100 suicides in 2004.
If Gujarat has a population of 55 million, 5288 suicides might be expected with the same trends.
This does not take away from the fact that even one suicide is a tragedy that affects dozens of people. Let us not use this tragedy to attack the government.
#27 Posted by zeemax on February 24, 2007 1:26:49 am
#23 by harimau
We now have glitzy malls and super apartment complexes in Bombay because we are not willing to put up with crapola socialist/communist policies.
Ahem ... now aren`t we a bit hasty here ...
Your second largest city is named a `dark and dank morass` in this documentary aired yesterday:
LAND OF MISSING CHILDREN (Read underage sex slaves):
``An estimated 30,000 girls are trafficked into the sex industry every year. Some are sold by poverty-stricken parents hoping that their children will find employment as domestic servants. Others are simply snatched off the streets, drugged, raped and sold to brothel madams ``.
Those are the words of reporter Sam Kiley, who accompanied reluctant police on a raid where girls are rescued from a dank attic only to disappear again into the night. Land of Missing Children is set in northeastern india-one hub of the international sex trade. Many young girls end up in Kolkata (Calcutta) and nearby towns.
We now have glitzy malls and super apartment complexes in Bombay because we are not willing to put up with crapola socialist/communist policies.
Ahem ... now aren`t we a bit hasty here ...
Your second largest city is named a `dark and dank morass` in this documentary aired yesterday:
LAND OF MISSING CHILDREN (Read underage sex slaves):
``An estimated 30,000 girls are trafficked into the sex industry every year. Some are sold by poverty-stricken parents hoping that their children will find employment as domestic servants. Others are simply snatched off the streets, drugged, raped and sold to brothel madams ``.
Those are the words of reporter Sam Kiley, who accompanied reluctant police on a raid where girls are rescued from a dank attic only to disappear again into the night. Land of Missing Children is set in northeastern india-one hub of the international sex trade. Many young girls end up in Kolkata (Calcutta) and nearby towns.
#28 Posted by harimau on February 24, 2007 3:26:00 am
Ref zeemax #27
[#23 by harimau
We now have glitzy malls and super apartment complexes in Bombay because we are not willing to put up with crapola socialist/communist policies.
Ahem ... now aren`t we a bit hasty here ... ]
Nope.
It is not my children who are being sold into prostitution. It is the children of those who have large families they cannot/will not take responsibility for.
More people have been pulled out of $1/day existence by the current economic policies than by the policies of double-speaking Commie momofukus who worked for Nehru.
[#23 by harimau
We now have glitzy malls and super apartment complexes in Bombay because we are not willing to put up with crapola socialist/communist policies.
Ahem ... now aren`t we a bit hasty here ... ]
Nope.
It is not my children who are being sold into prostitution. It is the children of those who have large families they cannot/will not take responsibility for.
More people have been pulled out of $1/day existence by the current economic policies than by the policies of double-speaking Commie momofukus who worked for Nehru.
#29 Posted by zeemax on February 24, 2007 3:45:01 am
#28 by harimau
Ok Harimau .. I don`t want to beat up on India at all, but 30,000 girl children sold into slavery is a very large figure.
There are (were) only two countries in the world with similar characteristics of a billion plus people, a huge landmass and equally large problems, crushing poverty, widespread social ills, inhuman conditions for the majority, and corrupt administrations. One was China, the other is India. China solved the basics with harsh communism and followed it up with capitalism. India rejected a mild fabian socialism and wants to jump to american style capitalism without even a social security net and develop.
Which parallel is India following? Or is it trying to invent one? How does it expect to succeed? Is it through trickle-down of 1-2 million people towards 998 million (or thereabout)?
Ok Harimau .. I don`t want to beat up on India at all, but 30,000 girl children sold into slavery is a very large figure.
There are (were) only two countries in the world with similar characteristics of a billion plus people, a huge landmass and equally large problems, crushing poverty, widespread social ills, inhuman conditions for the majority, and corrupt administrations. One was China, the other is India. China solved the basics with harsh communism and followed it up with capitalism. India rejected a mild fabian socialism and wants to jump to american style capitalism without even a social security net and develop.
Which parallel is India following? Or is it trying to invent one? How does it expect to succeed? Is it through trickle-down of 1-2 million people towards 998 million (or thereabout)?
#30 Posted by TOLKININ on February 24, 2007 6:31:52 am
#26 Nb..
Australia is also prosperous country ..if Gujrat is sited as properous among indian states it does not automatically signifies fullfilled state..
there are somthing that money cannot buy
Australia is also prosperous country ..if Gujrat is sited as properous among indian states it does not automatically signifies fullfilled state..
there are somthing that money cannot buy
#31 Posted by mohar11 on February 24, 2007 8:24:36 am
Re: # 29
[...China solved the basics with harsh communism...]
China has solved ``basics``? there are 84000 riots last year involving the desperate rural chinese.... The cities in china accomdate around 20% of the population, 80% of chinese still live in villages, who need ``visas`` to enter their own cities and they have no ``social security net`` whatsover... this is not to denigrate the chinese in any way - but to point out the reality of any developing economy with very large number of people...
See - the problem with you and tolknin is that you guys want instant gratification... since we are comparing with chinese, here is what their man said and I paraphrase: ``everyone in china will get rich, only some people will get there earlier than others``...
You want to see 40 years of bad economics to be erased overnight... well, that`s a noble thought but it doesn`t work that way, you can`t erase bad results of 40 years of stupidity that quickly...
we just have 15 years of reform, which has progressed in fits and starts, with a lot of opposition and whining from commies..... unfortunately, we do not have the luxury of ``harsh communism`` to deal with our commies, that would have been sweetly ironical... Of that 15 years, only last 3 years we have seen the sustained high growth... so this is just the beginning... to compare with china, they have this rate of growth sustained for last 20 years...
India needs to sustain this growth rate over next decades and we still need to get rid of the commies, losers and whiners..... it`s long march and we have taken first few steps...So just hold on to your panti!es...
the ``model`` of development is very simple... generate wealth and invest in infrastructure, social and physical... many countries have done so... it ain`t rocket science...
[...China solved the basics with harsh communism...]
China has solved ``basics``? there are 84000 riots last year involving the desperate rural chinese.... The cities in china accomdate around 20% of the population, 80% of chinese still live in villages, who need ``visas`` to enter their own cities and they have no ``social security net`` whatsover... this is not to denigrate the chinese in any way - but to point out the reality of any developing economy with very large number of people...
See - the problem with you and tolknin is that you guys want instant gratification... since we are comparing with chinese, here is what their man said and I paraphrase: ``everyone in china will get rich, only some people will get there earlier than others``...
You want to see 40 years of bad economics to be erased overnight... well, that`s a noble thought but it doesn`t work that way, you can`t erase bad results of 40 years of stupidity that quickly...
we just have 15 years of reform, which has progressed in fits and starts, with a lot of opposition and whining from commies..... unfortunately, we do not have the luxury of ``harsh communism`` to deal with our commies, that would have been sweetly ironical... Of that 15 years, only last 3 years we have seen the sustained high growth... so this is just the beginning... to compare with china, they have this rate of growth sustained for last 20 years...
India needs to sustain this growth rate over next decades and we still need to get rid of the commies, losers and whiners..... it`s long march and we have taken first few steps...So just hold on to your panti!es...
the ``model`` of development is very simple... generate wealth and invest in infrastructure, social and physical... many countries have done so... it ain`t rocket science...
#32 Posted by mohar11 on February 24, 2007 8:44:00 am
Come to think of it: we just had 3 years of high growth rate... and the perennial whiners are already out in the open beating their chests... I mean, what do you even say to these losers?...
I mean - these professional whiners have been crying copious tears about the poor all the time... and yet, poor have still remained poor... where as, just a few years of restricted reform has already lifted millions out of the poverty, created an ever expanding middle class, has created world class companies, generated wealth never seen before, has boosted forex reserves to its maximum, taken the country out of perennial debt, in fact - has made the country a donor of assistance to others...
Moreover, it has given the confidence to people that they can do it, they can make this country work... people are out there working hard, working for their future... Instead of running around with begging bowl as the whiners used to do during golden days of their commie rule, the country is actually out there standing tall and making money... making waves, making people take notice, making things happen...
Just a few years of stop-and-go reform [which has been opposed tooth and nail by the very same professional whiners] has already shown the results in flying colors and yet, the whining never stops... the stupidity never goes way... these people never learn, never reflect...
Un-f***ing-believable!!!
I mean - these professional whiners have been crying copious tears about the poor all the time... and yet, poor have still remained poor... where as, just a few years of restricted reform has already lifted millions out of the poverty, created an ever expanding middle class, has created world class companies, generated wealth never seen before, has boosted forex reserves to its maximum, taken the country out of perennial debt, in fact - has made the country a donor of assistance to others...
Moreover, it has given the confidence to people that they can do it, they can make this country work... people are out there working hard, working for their future... Instead of running around with begging bowl as the whiners used to do during golden days of their commie rule, the country is actually out there standing tall and making money... making waves, making people take notice, making things happen...
Just a few years of stop-and-go reform [which has been opposed tooth and nail by the very same professional whiners] has already shown the results in flying colors and yet, the whining never stops... the stupidity never goes way... these people never learn, never reflect...
Un-f***ing-believable!!!
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