Teaching Science Badly – and Well

#33#Shah2

Now you got to the point!!
Only thing is we welcome scientists and you kick them out!
We know that Modi, Ganesh, kumbh and are all rubbish. We don`t disguise, we accept.
We want learned people to educate us.
Understood?

But I don`t want to engage in Hindu/Muslim, India/Pak type crap. I leave the field open for you now.

Zeemax Ankalji has also come! Have a nice day/night with him and other f**kers and masturbaters who are likely to come along sensing him!

Samar

=== Interact Filtered ===
view this users filtered interacts

#26 by bulleya

Excellent post.

I have always held soft social sciences above hard sciences for the `learning` part in `knowledge. Both terms are not interchangeable.

The company of anthropologists and archaeologists particularly delights me. Except of-course, particle physicists on Bhang/Charas ... and not without :~)

#29 by samar1982 on March 2, 2007 9:41am PT
What is so adherence to science is in INDIA....

The kind of newtons Physics application by Modi And other of his like Murli manohar joshi are using physics for babarity ....

What deductive thinking in creartng Ganesh Idol and dipping it in the Arabian sea while forcing the whole city & traffic to standstill all against the convenience of Productive people

What is Kumbh mela with millions naked people having orgy... i know to you
muslims also may seem to be doing in mecca BUT WE DONT DISGUISE I OURSELF AS SCIENTIFIC AS YOU do

=== Interact Filtered ===
view this users filtered interacts

#20 by dotty,

Yes I agree. But you can only have an academic career like the good professor if you want to pursue `real` subjects to any significant degree. That`s why `applied` subjects are popular. Certainly, in rich societies, there`s the luxury of pursuing these profound disciplines with research grants. Not in Pakistan or India.

BTW ... how many physics or chemistry or botany or biology majors do your cherished IITs produce in your country?

It is a habit of hoodbhoy to knock Pakistan unnecassarily. He is a phoren agent :~)

#24#BJ
#27#Khurram

Where we are most likely to find tender, emotional beings?

Pakistani Madarsas!

Samar

#21# Shah2

He is definitely welcome in India.
But you are wrong with the aspect of two nation theory. If he returns (yes RETURNS), what he would prove wrong will be SIX nation theory before Pak completes SIX decades. You must be planning to drive him here by now!
See, Dr Saheb, you don`t have to visit even a Madarsa in the borderlands to be declared a traitor or blasphemous! They have build one in the Chowkair!

Samar

Re #24 cont.

Btw, did you even read the article you linked to?

It starts as,
``Einstein was a great scientist, in fact the greatest after Newton. But his love life was as mundane and lackluster as that of any ordinary, immature, wayward, and irresponsible person. He wanted love and was able to reciprocate for a time but wouldn’t like the responsibility of any lasting relationship. He would romanticize his feelings of love from a distance, in his love letters, for example, but failed to keep them steady and stable for any length of time. Probably highly creative persons need all their time and minds for their creative work and marriage and steady relationships are only a bothersome appendage; that probably was the reason that Newton remained unmarried all his life. ``

Re #24,

I didn`t mean to imply that every scientist is an emotional cripple. Most probably know how to balance their scientific mindset with emotional intelligence. I just want to point out that scientific mindset should not be promoted exclusively at the expense of other skills.

...students tend to study what can offer them the best jobs and means of living.......this is specifically true in third world countries......it is only in first world countries, where students can venture out into fields where they may achieve glory or may end up jobless......fields like drama, theatre, language and pure sciences.......

........if one is truly going to look at it from a philosophical view, then there is something even more important than science, which leads to the true development of a society.....a study of art, literature, sociology, etc. is even superior to science in defining and achieving social progress........

yet how many people study art, literature, language etc. in pakistan (or india)........

..........so within sciences, very few pakistanis will turn to pure sciences.........for the simple reason that what in the world are they going to do with such a degree.........until and unless, they can go to the Ph.D level.........which few can......

......my bachelors degree is in a field related to math......quite a difficult field, as it was connected to computational fluid dynamics..........with this degree, i was unable to get a job.......at best, the computer skills i picked up (which had nothing to do with the maths part) helped.........but no one wanted to hire a, ``mathmetician.``........

.......all my graduate work, however is in comp sci......with this degree, i had more job offers than i knew what to do with......even though i found it to be an easier field as far as academics go...........

......mathematics is about as pure a scientific field as there is.........and comp. sci is about as applied a scientific field as there is..........in fact, many people don`t even consider comp. sci a scientific field, since there can really be no, ``pure`` research in this field - at least on the software side..........

however, comp. sci, medicine, electrical engg and various other fields where pure sciences are applied, is where the jobs are........and in pakistan, the highest merit lists are in the medical and engg colleges........have been and always will be.......far far higher than any religious institution or arts college or pure sciences field........

i think it has more to do with economics of getting a job than with any love or hate for science..........

Dr. Sahib,

From one student of science to another, I really don`t know how you have the patience to stay in Pakistan and try and deal with dullards everyday. Pakistani children are exposed to religous gibberish everyday. When we flip the channel, India is promoting Science Safari through NatGeo. I shouldn`t even begin to compare but it is humiliating. Science has been given a bad name since the days of Galileo. There`s nothing we can do except hope that one day this world will be secular and we can actually progress as a species. I highly recommend you to watch An Inconvenient Truth a documentary by Al Gore. He was one who was moved by his science teacher and i believe he will change a lot of minds. Got an oscar for it too. One needs to do the same level of work to promote evolution as creationism destroys the one powerful thing that gives us an edge over other species... the human mind.

#23 by khurram on March 2, 2007 8:06am PT

[let`s not forget that too much of a `scientific mindset` can make one an emotional cripple.]

My dear, you appear to have no clue of what you are talking about.

Just to play the Devil`s advocate, let`s not forget that too much of a `scientific mindset` can make one an emotional cripple.
Real life, outside the lab, is so full of passionate subjective experiences. So many important decisions in life require evaluating subjective impressions. So much is based on uncertain truths. The most `useful` skill to have in life is to risk oneself in an act of faith. I don`t mean faith in a dogmatic religious sense. I mean an act of commitment in the face of uncertain truth.

``In contrast, a recent survey in India revealed that a majority of school students see science as the most glamorous and interesting career to pursue...``

Do they teach Science differently in India than in Pakistan?
I don`t think so.
It`s just that aspiring physicists have a better career path in front of them in India than in Pakistan.

#Samar 1982

``even if Pakistanis don`t learn from your teachings indeed Indian Muslims can learn much.``

Dr.Hoodbhoy had oppertunity to opt for India... instead of suporting two naton theory by

remaining in Pakistan

.....Besides HIS DEFENITION OF SCIENCE itself is not a verifiable free from scepticism that he thinks is scientific ..iDo all reknowned scientist that he admires inIndia agree to that?f

youDr Hoodbhoy) make all the things under the sun tht is rational including philosophy ,kartography, calligraphy, poetry ,music as YOUR OWN SCIENCE.. its ridiculous...

Knowlegde is INDUCTIVE and DEDUCTIVE ...both are NOT exclusively science