Fight Hudood, Protect Women

Re: # 187

tahmed,

........ i have told you many times that i really admire your valiant efforts to reinterpret tha koran and present a kinder/gentler version of islam ............. but until your interpretation outsells maulana maudoodi`s tafseer - which, as i understand it, is the gold standard - your well intentioned efforts remain futile and quixotic ............. anyway, if i ever decide to convert back to islam after i revert back to hindooism, i will accept you as my prophet ............ keep up the good work

...... as for these women who don the hijab, stop shaving their legs, attend farhat hashmi lectures and then run out and ask for equal rights, i have no sympathy for them .......... they deserve to be admonished, left alone in their sleeping-places and beaten ......

How does Hudood Ordinance take the following Quranic verse and interpret it.
Verse is from Chapter 4 which is dedicated to Women... Al-Nisa.
Alrrijalu qawwamoona AAala alnnisa-i bima faddala Allahu baAAdahum AAala baAAdin wabima anfaqoo min amwalihim faalssalihatu qanitatun hafithatun lilghaybi bima hafitha Allahu waallatee takhafoona nushoozahunna faAAithoohunna waohjuroohunna fee almadajiAAi waidriboohunna fa-in ataAAnakum fala tabghoo AAalayhinna sabeelan inna Allaha kana AAaliyyan kabeeran

Translation

Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.

RE: #156 zeena,
``Do you think we should have hudood ordinance in Pakistan? If yes , why?
If, no why? Thanks ``

I already answered this in post #65,
``For the record, I do not support the Hudood Ordinance becuase I do not support criminalization of consensual sex. ``

hamidm #154 i don`t think it is possible for a woman to be a practicing muslim and then turn around and ask for eqaul rights

That is correct - per the maulvi definition of a ``practicing muslim``, and for the maulvi ``practice`` means saying namaaz, roza, haj, chanting magic phrases in arabic, and treating women as cooks and sex slaves.

This is incorrect if you chose a more common sense defintion of a ``practicing muslim`` - the one who does what the Quran says is the reason God created man (to learn about God`s creation, in other words to educate himself and seeks to extend his knowledge) and the criteria the Quran says on which all humans will be judged by God - namely to use his God-given faculties to distinguish between right and wrong and to do the right thing. So, yes - it is indeed possible for a woman to be a practicing muslim and turn around and ask for equal right. Indeed, this is the duty of any individual if he/she considers himself to be a muslim!!

In Pakistan today, there is fortunately such individuals are increasing in number every day. Asma Jehangir - maligned and ridiculed by maulvis and the run-of-the-mill paindoo pakistani babu - is a shining example of a true muslim woman, e.g. As opposed to those burqa clad goats the jamaat-e-islaami sends down to demonstrate on their behalf for the continued oppression of poor women under hadood laws.

here is the real pakistan of the elite. (Note: the PIA jet which is also one of the many not allowed to fly outides of Asia and Africa)! Extremely good image, very westernised, and modern. I wonder what everyone is crying about!

Abey Ramchandar ki aulad......bhag ja yahan se........

All bout the hudood!

Dear Abu_safwaan

I tried camel`s moot as recomended by Mohammad (pbuh0 for 30 years. Voh bhi rass nahi aya.

Kya kare dil ko koi moot bhaata nahi.

Re: # 181

aajj gaoo mata ka moot mayasarr nahii aaya shayad..jabhii subha subha bhindiyoon ka mood kharabb hayy

ref#155

Dear ChachaJan Hamidm

You forget the sex slaves which Mohammad (pbuh) had.

I seriously think Freethinker should go and research what type of aphrodisiac Mohammad(pbuh) used.

His life is perfect example. He realy felt the entry into woman of every age.

Mohammad ( pbuh ) = sex + violence + imperialism + slavery of infidels & women.

Ofcourse I said ``there might not be...`` despite claims to the contrary... I have no qualms in admitting that I was underestimated the said country.

So Yasser going to some phoren country where there is no GPRS/Internet is a big fat lie :-)) But we knew that already didn`t we Yasser?

Would you please refrain from sharing freudian issues you have with female members of your family. Some of us want to have a good lunch.

Re: # 176

woww you figured all-0-that out on ur own? mommy would be very proud today paandani...good job!

#174...

Aww... so you didn`t get a job and stayed on as a toilet cleaner in the US? And thanks for verifying another truth.... most ``Ahmadi Assylum seekers`` in the west are actuallY Sunni pagans like you who otherwise hate Ahmadis... but would wholeheartedly play the Ahmadi card for immigration...

That reminds me... last year... a friend of my father`s ... a gentleman who was otherwise a staunch Sunni muslim met my father and took a detailed interview taking notes on Ahmadi religion... apparently he was interested in Canadian immigration more than Ahmadi religion.

aww.. harish mian, were you victimised by me too?