Fight Hudood, Protect Women

Re: # 171

Awwwww ..hurt are we? Didnt mean to make u cry lil man..i m sowwiiieee. But u should have thought about it before u stepped in arenas where prerequisite is an IQ of 10 or higher, u obviosuly is well short of that. Truth is some of us tried our utmost but couldnt get a job, we begged and we cried and played the mirzayi victim card as much as we could but it still came down to that GPA. And the stink you are feeling is from the BO, try using a deodrant, u aint a hindoo so its not against ur religion to take a bath once in a while.

#171 by Yasser

Who victimised you now and how? I will fight for your rights... I promise for a suitable fee

Here comes the ambulance chaser!!!

Masadi,

How would you feel if someone responded in kind and said ``Typical illiterate comment from someone who believes in reinterpreting books of fairy tales ... rationally.`` I won`t though... for many reasons - including my regard for the eternal rational principles laid down by the Holy Quran.. but why make personal attacks...

Is exploitation of women through Hudood Ordinance merely a ``ghost``? I don`t distinguish between Mullahs like you and other Mullahs. Is Hudood Ordinance Quranic? Is it Islamic? If it is not... then you should be equally bothered by abuse of your book...

Nadia,

Who victimised you now and how? I will fight for your rights... I promise for a suitable fee.


Abu Safwaan....

Some of us are not dependent on small mercies by others and can do well in our own country. Some of us don`t harbor the desire to settle abroad and take education as an experience rather than a ticket to settling down somewhere else... but it is not about me...
it is about you... You maybe right about taking huge dumps though. No wonder where ever you interact, one can feel the stink from a mile away.

For the millionth time now, i think state shouldn`t and mustn`t be prejudice. No one should be persecuted because of what they believe in, in the PERFECT WORLD!. We don`t live in a perfect world, we live in a world where if you don`t institutionally ban qadiyanis from luring people to qadiyaniyat by selling it as islam then you are doing great injustice to the uneducated, naive masses. If qadiyanis would have propogated their insanity as qadiyaniyat then they wouldnt be in this mess. Its not against the law to propogate christianity, hinduism or any other religion but if christians would try to sell christianity as Islam then someone would have to step up and say, ``I THINK YOU ARE LYING SIR``. If the argument is that qadiyaniyat is Islam then we will ask for proof of mirza`s prophethood which i know is pet-peeve at this point. So i dunno what will please you morons.

This noble statement that democracy is not majority but its for all people. Ahh i don`t think anyone consulted the 7 million muslims when they passed the draconian patriot act. democracy by desiggn is the government of majority, you can sugar coat it to the umpteenth degree but at the end of the day, there will be a public holiday on 25th december because its a christian majority country and not on EID. Qadiyanis were declared non-muslims by a constituent assembly, if its not rubbing you the right way, then follow the discourse that is provided by the law. why should rules change all of a sudden? I don`t quite understand what the argument is quite frankly. we love democracy but we dont like the constitution it should be changed, OK! Should it change because sattariya and sabundani are not happy with it or should it change because thats what ``All the people of pakistan `` want. And who is this ``All People`` anyway? And are we going to make sure that every single one of the 160 million is on board and happy and satisfied and if thats not possible then what do we do? We take the majority`s opinion maybe? ahha.. and majority is still not HOT about Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadiyani, so lets try and put pressure by seling ur product where its not banned. West is a good place, you have all the freedom here, propogate qadiyaniyat and become a force to reckon with and then Pakistan would have to listen, but the caveat is that Qadiyaniyat is an anda (egg) which is ganda, and people usually opt for saaf anda as its obvious with the popularity of real Islam in west where the playin field is levelled, so we are back at square one, you have a flawed product and you are pissed of at the consumer for not buying it. I believe the medical term is Insanity.

Yasser latif Sabundani,

Before I can indulge you in a serious conversation, I would like to understand why in the world would u put up a mug shot especially when you look like a dwarf? I have taken dumps bigger than u, for all intent and purpose you look like a malnutrition weakling and its not a good representation of pakistaniat, besides it just screams low-self esteem “my parents didn’t love me..look at me, love me”. Do you really think anyone gives a rats ass about ur supposed concern, would the newspapers give a shit and a half about what you have to say about taqi usmani? Like the editors of newspapers in Pakistan were eagerly waiting what Mr. sabundani has to say about taqi usmani, get over yourself man, your dog doesn’t give a shit about ur opinion, aim lower next time. Your problem is that you seem to give too much importance to your own opinion, no one else however could care less. You go out of ur way to enlighten us with ur worldly travels between bhoraywala and mian chunnoo and how is it our fault that after your f-1 expired no one would give u an H-1? If your GPA had been in even lower 2’s maybe just maybe you wouldn’t be this bitter. Keep in mind that its my remittances to the motherland that ensure your paycheck so I would rather you just say thank you and move on to the next poor illiterate sap you are about to loot in the name of law.

I have more respect for sattar and other qadiyanis who are at least man enough to stand by their delusions; you bucked, because your low-self esteem forces you to belong. But you are still bitter because no one takes u seriously still, and they won’t mostly because like I said before, you look like a dwarf its hard to look at you and then pay attemtion at the same time at what you have to say, they are immersed in ur comical features, its not fair I know but then again if you maybe try to be less annoying all the freaking time maybe the world would take a liking, I still wouldn’t hold my breath.

Well Zeena, I don`t defend them either. But they - by their own acknowledgement- are non-believers and not believing Ahmadis per se. What they say is clearly a reaction to freaks on the loose like untruly and others.

Sattar,

The hypocrisy in the actions of these fools is self evident. No point arguing with people who resort to abuses instead of proving their point logically... something untruly and abu safwan can never do.

The issue is one of constitutional (and fundamental human) rights which are denied to Ahmadis. They don`t have answer to this.

It is this ridiculous notion that majority rule = democracy is what is the problem. Democracy is rule of all the people... not some of the people or most of the people. It means that all permanent minorities get some constitutional safeguards ... which protect them against tyranny of the majority. We got an entire country on this principle. And now they want to pass off majority rule as democracy.

#164 Mantolives sahib

Excuse me, and what about Verizon and kulharee(abusive mirzaiis) who abuse our Prophet(PBUH) on daily basis?

Howcome they now are talking about Hudood ordinance and pretending to be Muslims?

These two guys abuse me with all the filth they can......and still claim to be champions of humanity and for women rights on this article............

So Untruly and the Abu Safwan (the Ummayad founder of the Sunni Pagan faith??) could not back their assertions with facts and have resorted to abuse against minorities... taking upon themselves (even though they are frikkin expat losers living off the crumbs of the same people they call Kufaar) the mantle of speaking on the behalf of Pakistanis....

God save Pakistan and indeed Islam from Pagans like Untruly and Abu Safwan.

#161
Verizon sahib

You are talking about Muslims , Islam and coming up all clean....wawawa.

Do you know hudood ordinance is for women rights?

Look @ this post by you............Is this your humanity is?

{{{{[[[#10 by Verizon on March 7, 2007 2:57pm PT
Zeena I had a dream in which Muhammad asked me to ask you to marry him. Now go and open a thread or two, on blasphemy, after that go fuck yourself...better yet wait for ``the`` holy arab man to do the honors. And yes please do copy and paste this on bukbuk and your ilog. ]]]

#100 by abu_safwaan

“Oh so you werent interested in what Islam really has to say …..I can make an attempt to defend my religion which is Quran and the sunnah of the prophet PBUH.”

Islam really has to say? According to who? You, me, another chowkie who is equally uninformed about Islam, but is resolute in its defence. That is precisely what I am not looking for. I just want to know that when a code which Sharia Law is, is put together its main purpose is to promote welfare and provide justice for the population. My question remains what are the remedies that the code provides, not what in your judgment Islam provides. Ease up! Defender of the faith, question is academic not political.

This is why hudood law should be retired and civil law should be enacted. No need to exact rape and thuggery in the name of Allah. Muslim world should learn from the great civilisations before them and in front of them. Civil liberties, ACLU and other fine ideas and organizations exist... but alas muslim world is opiumed out in its own superiority over the weak and pissed off at its own inferiority against the pwerful.

Manto writes <<< so who died and made you the judge of what is good and what is bad for women? I find this a very ironical statement indeed. Yes religion is focus here, abuse of religion and support of that abuse by people like you >>>

A typical illiterate response that I had expected from one more interested in ``hero worship`` than human rights or social causes. Judges of what is good and bad are not made, it is not a question of authority but of the facts, of public issues and you don`t need to know more than high school math to determine what is affecting society. Regarding my ``abuse`` of religion, your mullah friends say the same when I ask them to rationally consider the Quran and understand it using the objective world, otherwise no book, revelation or otherwise can offer them any guidance as to the state of reality and their condition. You, just like them want to fight ghosts and distract using nonsense issues that are mere tools to obfuscate the larger issues that you and the mullah in your mutual illiteracy have no clue about...

#93 by Urstruly

Well every article, every book that I have come across mentions abolition of slavery and the abolitionist movement as one of the main reasons for the civil war. The North was not slave free, but abolished slavery during the previous 50 years, and it was in New York that the largest number of slaves were emancipated. But lets not quibble about that. Do you think that the creation of Liberia as an independent state for the settlement of ex slaves which occurred in the 1820s by whites was insignificant?

The abolitionists felt very strongly that not only was slavery bad, inhuman and degrading to the slave, but it was equally bad for the slave owner and the whole society in general. Some advocated repatriation while others wanted emancipation.

“In one of the most celebrated passages in Democracy in America Tocqueville contrasted the two sections:

`. . . this truth [of the superiority of free labor] was most satisfactorily demonstrated when civilization reached the banks of the Ohio. The stream that the Indians had distinguished by the name of Ohio, or the Beautiful River, waters one of the most magnificent valleys which have ever been made the abode of man. Undulating lands extend upon both shores of the Ohio, whose soil affords inexhaustible treasures to the laborer; on either bank the air is equally wholesome and the climate mild, and each of them forms the extreme frontier of a vast state: that which follows the numerous windings of the Ohio upon the left is called Kentucky; that upon the right bears the name of the river. These two states differ only in a single respect: Kentucky has admitted slavery, but the state of Ohio has prohibited the existence of slaves within its borders. Thus the traveler who floats down the current of the Ohio to the spot where that river falls into the Mississippi may be said to sail between liberty and servitude; and a transient inspection of surrounding objects will convince him which of the two is more favorable to humanity.
Upon the left bank of the stream the population is sparse; from time to time one descries a troop of slaves loitering in the half-deserted fields; the primeval forest reappears at every turn; society seems to be asleep, man to be idle, and nature alone offers a scene of activity and life.
From the right bank, on the contrary, a confused hum is heard, which proclaims afar the presence of industry; the fields are covered with abundant harvests; the elegance of the dwellings announces the taste and activity of the laborers; and man appears to be in the enjoyment of that wealth and contentment which is the reward of labor.`

However overstated the contrast, however mistaken in detail, Tocqueville`s discussion offers several crucial insights. One is that the effect of slavery upon the master was as profound as upon the slave. Another is that the market more profoundly shaped the white Northerner than his southern counterpart:

`The influence of slavery . . . affects the character of the master and imparts a peculiar tendency to his ideas and tastes. Upon both banks of the Ohio the character of the inhabitants is enterprising and energetic, but this vigor is very differently exercised in the two states. The white inhabitant of Ohio, obliged to subsist by his own exertions, regards temporal prosperity as the chief aim of his existence; and as the country which he occupies presents inexhaustible resources to his industry, and ever varying lures to his activity, his acquisitive ardor surpasses the ordinary limits of human cupidity: he is tormented by the desire of wealth, and he boldly enters upon every path that fortune opens to him; he becomes a sailor, a pioneer, an artisan, or a cultivator with the same indifference, and supports with equal constancy the fatigues and the dangers incidental to these various professions; the resources of his intelligence are astonishing, and his avidity in the pursuit of gain amounts to a species of heroism.
But the Kentuckian scorns not only labor but all the undertakings that labor promotes; as he lives in an idle independence, his tastes are those of an idle man; money has lost a portion of its value in his eyes; he covets wealth much less than pleasure and excitement; and the energy which his neighbor devotes to gain turns with him to a passionate love of field sports and military exercises; he delights in violent bodily exertion, he is familiar with the use of arms, and is accustomed from a very early age to expose his life in single combat. Thus slavery prevents the whites not only from becoming opulent, but even from desiring to become so.`

This is what happens when a good, shiny, protinized and vitaminized hair is split! It begins appearing like Bhootni`s hair.

Where there is no equality between men, you are discussing fair treatment for women. This is called mock theatre. Thoroughly nonsense but comical posts. Really, Pak society has become such an entertainment that the world finds it impossible to bypass. At least the Arab world and Iranians are openly obscurantist societies, so don`t look clownish and absurd.

First try to replace your constitution with some secular one (at least for names of Arab/persian origin) then talk about Hudood law. Perhaps you won`t find anything to write about then.

Samar