Fight Hudood, Protect Women
Beena Sarwar March 6, 2007
#366 Posted by zeemax on March 12, 2007 12:19:58 am
I was wrong to call teshah a munafiq. It is obvious he is a non-Muslim intent upon defaming Islam and Muslims as a pre-determined agenda.
I have never seen a more odious and reprehensible person who blames the victim of a gang-rape witnessed by dozens (who merely refused to give testimony in court due to coercion by the perpetrators) to have had ulterior motives of her own in inviting the act upon herself.
It would be appropriate to wish him (by own efforts or through female surrogates) to also get the opportunity to have the same windfall as the Mai managed to obtain.
I have never seen a more odious and reprehensible person who blames the victim of a gang-rape witnessed by dozens (who merely refused to give testimony in court due to coercion by the perpetrators) to have had ulterior motives of her own in inviting the act upon herself.
It would be appropriate to wish him (by own efforts or through female surrogates) to also get the opportunity to have the same windfall as the Mai managed to obtain.
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#365 Posted by bjkumar on March 11, 2007 8:49:48 pm
#361 Tauheed sahib
Welcome, and hope you did not take it the wrong way, I just could not resist the flair! You know how it is - such special moments are getting sparser and sparser!
:)
#364 Posted by tahmed32 on March 11, 2007 8:42:04 pm
#360 teshah dhagha: i know you are there. take your time to get the chaara in your brain working. i`ll be back later to see what you have come up with.
#363 Posted by tahmed32 on March 11, 2007 8:38:14 pm
#360 teshah dhagha: type fast. i dont have all evening for a dhagha. get your ass moving.
#362 Posted by tahmed32 on March 11, 2007 8:37:28 pm
#360 teshah dhagha: where in the quran did you read that ``low caste`` woman are ok to rape?
#361 Posted by tahmed32 on March 11, 2007 8:36:19 pm
bjkumar: much obliged for pointing to the right beena. :-)
#360 Posted by teshah on March 11, 2007 8:35:45 pm
Re: # 283
Liar! Who?
Where I said that it was written in Quran? Btw, do you think marrying with anything is a bad thing. Normally, in my view, it would mean extreme devotion to the Quran unless the term is used with some nefarious motives as you are prone to.
Liar! Who?
Where I said that it was written in Quran? Btw, do you think marrying with anything is a bad thing. Normally, in my view, it would mean extreme devotion to the Quran unless the term is used with some nefarious motives as you are prone to.
#359 Posted by tahmed32 on March 11, 2007 8:33:43 pm
teshah: Your dhagha-ness is obvious from this post.
#358 Posted by teshah on March 11, 2007 8:20:17 pm
Re: # 286
You Zeemax seem to have gone berserk. You say Mai, the greatest media fraud of our times, had been `given` justice by CJS. What was that justice by the way? Will you elaborate? Any how thanks to her alleged rape by the Mastoies all rural women are to day envying her fraud rape. Many of them followed her trick but failed to get Mai like justice.
I wonder how a low-cast woman of Mirwala, named Mukhtaran, became so famous, ‘honored’ and rich (pretty also now as her pic shows) only because she was ‘dishonored ‘ by allegedly having been raped in compliance with a verdict of the village Panchayat, manifestly to avenge the dishonor of another woman of Mastoi tribe by Mai’s brother.
It was, as the story goes, first a village mullah, then the NGOs and finally the trial Session Court, which blew the matter out of proportion. No wonder the media also stepped in and made the best use of the sex story adding fuel to the fire. The western media gave extra-ordinary importance to the story not because there is dearth of rape stories in their own countries but because of their ulterior motive of vilifying Islam and the Muslim culture, which the Mai and her ‘raped honor’ presented.
As I stated above it was the alleged violation of ‘honour’ of a Mastoi woman, which necessitated the holding of village Punchayat (Peoples’ Court). The Mai and her family seemed to be in a compromising situation and therefore wanted to apologize for the alleged misconduct of Mai’s brother. Now there are two versions about what happened afterwards. Mai’s supporters say, the panchayat decided that as a matter of justice, Mai should be fucked by Mastoies to avenge violation of their ‘honour’ violated by her brother. But according to the other party the Mai was not raped but married (nikahfied) to the brother of the Mastoi woman who was ‘dishonoured’ by Mai’s brother. No independent inquiry having been held in the matter to find facts there are as many stories as many tongues. But as the facts of the case go the proceedings and judgment of the Multan High Court still holds the ground which did not give any credence to the evidence in support of the accusation of rape of Mai. In the circumstances it is sheer injustice if any body sits in judgment over a case when one knows nothing even about the bare facts of the case. As it is such peoples are actually dishonoring Mai by insisting that she was raped when the court says there was no evidence to that effect.
Now what a display of ‘raped honor’ was made in Mirwala when allegedly Mai was being dragged for ‘rape’ before the very eyes of her biraadari including her father and her young brother in compliance with the judgement of the Panchayat. I cannot imagine such a scene even in ‘sex-bazaar’. I can’t believe that people even of the lowest caste can be so devoid of any sense of ‘honor’ that they allow such a thing to happen without any demur. In fact no body stood up as there was perhaps no ground for standing up and it was only the suo moto action taken by the trial court after a number of days that such a halla gulla was raised by NGOs, etc., etc.
As a matter of fact, sex as such, is not a matter falling in the domain of ethics or morals. It is purely a matter of culture. In Shariah if a man accuses somebody of ‘Zina’ (irregular sex with a free person, other than one’s own slave) he is obliged to bring forth four valid eyewitnesses of the crime otherwise he himself becomes liable to ‘Qazaf’ to be condemned as a liar and vilifier and penalized severely and a woman in the same position is liable to be condemned as a self-confessed ‘Zaania’ if she herself alleges to be a victim of rape. It is perhaps why Mai avoided going to the Shariat Court to be judged by Quranic Hadood Laws. That court had recently given a verdict in a rape case that the evidence of the woman, victim of rape in a rape case, is of no consequence unless proved by evidence. God forbid, if this is allowed any whore can blackmail any man.
As regards rape and its consequences in Sharia, the ‘Fatwa’ issued recently by Deoband in case of a rape of a woman by her father-in-law in India is quite pertinent. According to that ‘Fatwa’ it was held that in consequence of her alleged rape the woman has automatically become the wife of her father-in-law. In fact this appears to be the adoption of an old Judaistic law that makes the rapist accept the victim as his wife, apparently to mitigate her dishonour.
It would perhaps be quite pertinent to quote here what the wise man of China, the great Confucius, says about rape. He says, “ If you feel the rape is inevitable, relax and enjoy”. One envies Mukhtaran Mai as she is lucky to have the best of the two, nay, rather three worlds and is so happy having been made so rich and honored because of her alleged rape by Mastoies, setting new values and opening new opportunities for the sex culture in our society.
What prompted me to write this post was actually the award of Maadare Millat Gold Medal to Mai, the raped, by Ms Nilofar Bakhtiar, as it seemed to me a blatant perfidy and insult to the name of Maadare Millat to associate her name with a shameless raped woman so as to present Mai as a role model for our noble women and to usher in Mukhtaran Mai ‘Rape culture’ by glorifying her just to gain some political mileage among women of that type. I say “Why make it a gender issue at all. Even men are prone to be raped and generally they are likely to welcome it unless they are ‘Muttaqi’ like the prophet, Yousaf (PBUH). Even he had escaped attempt of rape by Zulekha only by the help of Allah though admittedly he was going to succumb to it”.
So dear Zeemax beware you can become a sel-confessed liar in terms of Shariah if you accuse someone of zinna and fail to bring forth four qualified eye-witnesses to prove it.
You Zeemax seem to have gone berserk. You say Mai, the greatest media fraud of our times, had been `given` justice by CJS. What was that justice by the way? Will you elaborate? Any how thanks to her alleged rape by the Mastoies all rural women are to day envying her fraud rape. Many of them followed her trick but failed to get Mai like justice.
I wonder how a low-cast woman of Mirwala, named Mukhtaran, became so famous, ‘honored’ and rich (pretty also now as her pic shows) only because she was ‘dishonored ‘ by allegedly having been raped in compliance with a verdict of the village Panchayat, manifestly to avenge the dishonor of another woman of Mastoi tribe by Mai’s brother.
It was, as the story goes, first a village mullah, then the NGOs and finally the trial Session Court, which blew the matter out of proportion. No wonder the media also stepped in and made the best use of the sex story adding fuel to the fire. The western media gave extra-ordinary importance to the story not because there is dearth of rape stories in their own countries but because of their ulterior motive of vilifying Islam and the Muslim culture, which the Mai and her ‘raped honor’ presented.
As I stated above it was the alleged violation of ‘honour’ of a Mastoi woman, which necessitated the holding of village Punchayat (Peoples’ Court). The Mai and her family seemed to be in a compromising situation and therefore wanted to apologize for the alleged misconduct of Mai’s brother. Now there are two versions about what happened afterwards. Mai’s supporters say, the panchayat decided that as a matter of justice, Mai should be fucked by Mastoies to avenge violation of their ‘honour’ violated by her brother. But according to the other party the Mai was not raped but married (nikahfied) to the brother of the Mastoi woman who was ‘dishonoured’ by Mai’s brother. No independent inquiry having been held in the matter to find facts there are as many stories as many tongues. But as the facts of the case go the proceedings and judgment of the Multan High Court still holds the ground which did not give any credence to the evidence in support of the accusation of rape of Mai. In the circumstances it is sheer injustice if any body sits in judgment over a case when one knows nothing even about the bare facts of the case. As it is such peoples are actually dishonoring Mai by insisting that she was raped when the court says there was no evidence to that effect.
Now what a display of ‘raped honor’ was made in Mirwala when allegedly Mai was being dragged for ‘rape’ before the very eyes of her biraadari including her father and her young brother in compliance with the judgement of the Panchayat. I cannot imagine such a scene even in ‘sex-bazaar’. I can’t believe that people even of the lowest caste can be so devoid of any sense of ‘honor’ that they allow such a thing to happen without any demur. In fact no body stood up as there was perhaps no ground for standing up and it was only the suo moto action taken by the trial court after a number of days that such a halla gulla was raised by NGOs, etc., etc.
As a matter of fact, sex as such, is not a matter falling in the domain of ethics or morals. It is purely a matter of culture. In Shariah if a man accuses somebody of ‘Zina’ (irregular sex with a free person, other than one’s own slave) he is obliged to bring forth four valid eyewitnesses of the crime otherwise he himself becomes liable to ‘Qazaf’ to be condemned as a liar and vilifier and penalized severely and a woman in the same position is liable to be condemned as a self-confessed ‘Zaania’ if she herself alleges to be a victim of rape. It is perhaps why Mai avoided going to the Shariat Court to be judged by Quranic Hadood Laws. That court had recently given a verdict in a rape case that the evidence of the woman, victim of rape in a rape case, is of no consequence unless proved by evidence. God forbid, if this is allowed any whore can blackmail any man.
As regards rape and its consequences in Sharia, the ‘Fatwa’ issued recently by Deoband in case of a rape of a woman by her father-in-law in India is quite pertinent. According to that ‘Fatwa’ it was held that in consequence of her alleged rape the woman has automatically become the wife of her father-in-law. In fact this appears to be the adoption of an old Judaistic law that makes the rapist accept the victim as his wife, apparently to mitigate her dishonour.
It would perhaps be quite pertinent to quote here what the wise man of China, the great Confucius, says about rape. He says, “ If you feel the rape is inevitable, relax and enjoy”. One envies Mukhtaran Mai as she is lucky to have the best of the two, nay, rather three worlds and is so happy having been made so rich and honored because of her alleged rape by Mastoies, setting new values and opening new opportunities for the sex culture in our society.
What prompted me to write this post was actually the award of Maadare Millat Gold Medal to Mai, the raped, by Ms Nilofar Bakhtiar, as it seemed to me a blatant perfidy and insult to the name of Maadare Millat to associate her name with a shameless raped woman so as to present Mai as a role model for our noble women and to usher in Mukhtaran Mai ‘Rape culture’ by glorifying her just to gain some political mileage among women of that type. I say “Why make it a gender issue at all. Even men are prone to be raped and generally they are likely to welcome it unless they are ‘Muttaqi’ like the prophet, Yousaf (PBUH). Even he had escaped attempt of rape by Zulekha only by the help of Allah though admittedly he was going to succumb to it”.
So dear Zeemax beware you can become a sel-confessed liar in terms of Shariah if you accuse someone of zinna and fail to bring forth four qualified eye-witnesses to prove it.
#357 Posted by krishna_abcd on March 11, 2007 6:29:30 pm
#356 by Folio
[OK, now I got why u r asking this. Ur focus is Gandhi. ]
No, it`s not.
The following statements are interchangeable, and all of them are equivalent for getting the SAME point across:
Given that, would you say that there is any difference between Mother Teresa, for example, and Idi Amin? Or would you say that they are more or less comparable, given that neither of them is perfect?
Given that, would you say that there is any difference between Jesus, for example, and Hitler? Or would you say that they are more or less comparable, given that neither of them is perfect?
Given that, would you say that there is any difference between Buddha, for example, and Pol Pot? Or would you say that they are more or less comparable, given that neither of them is perfect?
See if this helps you get the point.
Let me know if I`m being too difficult to understand.
[OK, now I got why u r asking this. Ur focus is Gandhi. ]
No, it`s not.
The following statements are interchangeable, and all of them are equivalent for getting the SAME point across:
Given that, would you say that there is any difference between Mother Teresa, for example, and Idi Amin? Or would you say that they are more or less comparable, given that neither of them is perfect?
Given that, would you say that there is any difference between Jesus, for example, and Hitler? Or would you say that they are more or less comparable, given that neither of them is perfect?
Given that, would you say that there is any difference between Buddha, for example, and Pol Pot? Or would you say that they are more or less comparable, given that neither of them is perfect?
See if this helps you get the point.
Let me know if I`m being too difficult to understand.
#356 Posted by Folio on March 11, 2007 2:11:37 pm
Krishna,
OK, now I got why u r asking this. Ur focus is Gandhi. My honest opinion whislt we`re preparing for Civils is that we use to joke on Gandhi....many many jokes. On a serious note Gandhi was a politician......
From Hindu-Muslim pov, he tried to synthasise the two warring schisms in Indian politics. In order to save India from partition he said something unpalatable....did even many more unpalatable things(to some section of people).....all his efforts went down the drain. He paid it with his life. Nobody likes him in his home state i.e Gujarat now.
On H-M pov.....it`s got to be that way. It`s a matter providence. Cant feel sorry abt the split milk. I honestly believe that British Indian map is not Bharat Mata. On Gandhi again....he`s destiny of India. We cant roll back history. If there are lessons we shud learn them dispassionately. Honestly, I have mixed feelings abt Gandhi. He was not perfect. He happened to us. He`s eccentric, faddist, naturist, vegatarian, Gujarati, Hindu, Indian, bania, politician*, humanist, prisoner of circumstances and what not.
* If we see the old portraits he donned braided turban & non-Bharwards, Rabaaris dont wear that more so the banias. He played to the gallery as well.
OK, now I got why u r asking this. Ur focus is Gandhi. My honest opinion whislt we`re preparing for Civils is that we use to joke on Gandhi....many many jokes. On a serious note Gandhi was a politician......
From Hindu-Muslim pov, he tried to synthasise the two warring schisms in Indian politics. In order to save India from partition he said something unpalatable....did even many more unpalatable things(to some section of people).....all his efforts went down the drain. He paid it with his life. Nobody likes him in his home state i.e Gujarat now.
On H-M pov.....it`s got to be that way. It`s a matter providence. Cant feel sorry abt the split milk. I honestly believe that British Indian map is not Bharat Mata. On Gandhi again....he`s destiny of India. We cant roll back history. If there are lessons we shud learn them dispassionately. Honestly, I have mixed feelings abt Gandhi. He was not perfect. He happened to us. He`s eccentric, faddist, naturist, vegatarian, Gujarati, Hindu, Indian, bania, politician*, humanist, prisoner of circumstances and what not.
* If we see the old portraits he donned braided turban & non-Bharwards, Rabaaris dont wear that more so the banias. He played to the gallery as well.
#355 Posted by krishna_abcd on March 11, 2007 1:39:02 pm
#353 by Folio
I forgot to add:
Given that, would you say that there is any difference between Gandhi, for example, and Pol Pot? Or would you say that they are more or less comparable, given that neither of them is perfect?
I forgot to add:
Given that, would you say that there is any difference between Gandhi, for example, and Pol Pot? Or would you say that they are more or less comparable, given that neither of them is perfect?
#354 Posted by krishna_abcd on March 11, 2007 1:37:02 pm
#353 by Folio
[Krishna,
Nobody`s perfect in this world, including the religious, historical & political figures. ]
Folio,
I think you are avoiding my question. And I think you know why.
I AGREE with you - nobody is perfect.
Given that, would you say that there is any difference between Gandhi, for example, and Pol Pot?
[Krishna,
Nobody`s perfect in this world, including the religious, historical & political figures. ]
Folio,
I think you are avoiding my question. And I think you know why.
I AGREE with you - nobody is perfect.
Given that, would you say that there is any difference between Gandhi, for example, and Pol Pot?
#353 Posted by Folio on March 11, 2007 1:32:33 pm
Re: # 352
Krishna,
Nobody`s perfect in this world, including the religious, historical & political figures.
How come ur American politicians declare their intention to contest the presedential elections in comedy shows?
Eg. Johm McCain declared it in David Letterman show b4 he formally declared it outside in a solemn way.
Krishna,
Nobody`s perfect in this world, including the religious, historical & political figures.
How come ur American politicians declare their intention to contest the presedential elections in comedy shows?
Eg. Johm McCain declared it in David Letterman show b4 he formally declared it outside in a solemn way.
#352 Posted by krishna_abcd on March 11, 2007 1:17:25 pm
#351 by Folio
Folio,
I was not commenting on your English at all. :-)
I was just wondering...would the following two sentences convey the same point that you wanted to express:
``Neither Muhammd, Jesus nor Gandhi was perfect.``
and
``Neither Muhammd, Jesus, Gandhi nor Jack the Ripper was perfect.``
Are these two statements equivalent, in your view?
Folio,
I was not commenting on your English at all. :-)
I was just wondering...would the following two sentences convey the same point that you wanted to express:
``Neither Muhammd, Jesus nor Gandhi was perfect.``
and
``Neither Muhammd, Jesus, Gandhi nor Jack the Ripper was perfect.``
Are these two statements equivalent, in your view?
#351 Posted by Folio on March 11, 2007 1:11:00 pm
Krishna,
U have to pardon me 4 my poor English. What I meant was...`nobody`s perfect including Rama, Krishna, Muhammed, Jesus & Gandhi`.
P.S: I dont know how I got score 7 in IELTS exam, (7 means high proficiency in English)
U have to pardon me 4 my poor English. What I meant was...`nobody`s perfect including Rama, Krishna, Muhammed, Jesus & Gandhi`.
P.S: I dont know how I got score 7 in IELTS exam, (7 means high proficiency in English)
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