Fight Hudood, Protect Women

#337 by Folio

[Neither Muhammd, Jesus nor Gandhi was perfect.]


Would you say, then, that the statements

``Neither Muhammd, Jesus nor Gandhi was perfect.``

and

``Neither Muhammd, Jesus, Gandhi nor Jack the Ripper was perfect.``

express the same point of view?

Just wondering...

J: Yes, well enough to talk to my chhokras and housemaids. I have not got to address courts or judges in Urdu and I dont see why I should know more tongue; (I knew) Gujerati fairly well.

This debate in Imperial National Assembly is given below not with an intention to assess Jinnah as a politician but to compare what the founder wanted in his Republic (his 11 Aug 1947 address was similar to what was said by Jinnah 37 years b4) and what the current crop of leaders are doing

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There was a discussion btw Rafiuddin and Mohammed Alibhai Jeenabhai Khojani aka MA Jinnah in 1910 in the precincts of Imperial National Assembly, New Delhi

Rafiuddin: Mr. Jinnah, you claim to represent the Musalmans of Bombay Presidency?

Jinnah: Who doubt that? Do you?

R: I regret that they should be represented by you, who know nothing of Islam or the Prophet (on whom be peace), nor observe any Islamic injuctions?

J: What makes you say so? I knew jolly well far more than you do.

R: You say you do; well, tell me whether you have any pretensions to know Arabic or Persian?

J: WHY SHOULD I KNOW EITHER ARABIC OR PERSIAN? I AM NEITHER AN ARAB NOR A PERSIAN BUT AN INDIAN, AND HAVE THUS NO NEED TO KNOW THE LANGUAUE OF ARABIC OR PERSIAN.

R: Do you know even Urdu?

J: Yes, well enough to talk to my chhokras and housemaids. I have not to got address courts or judges in Urdu and I dont see why I should know more tongue, Gujerati fairly well.

R: But if you dont know Arabic, how can you offer your prayers?

J: PRAY IN ARABIC? WHY SHOULD I? I am not an impertinent sinner that I should be praying constantly to ask forgiveness for my sins? And that apart, surely God will understand me in whichever langauge I pray Him.

R: And what about your dress, food and drink? Are in accordance with the rules of Shariat?

J: WHAT HAS SHARIAT GOT TO WITH THE DRESS? SURELY, THE VARIOUS PEOPLES OF DIFFERENT MUSLIM COUNTRIES, ALL DRESS DIFFERENTLY. EVEN IN INDIA, ALL THE MUSLIMS DON`T DRESS ALIKE. AS FOR FOOD & DRINK, IT`S MORE A MATTER OF PERSONAL TASTE, APPETITE AND DIGESTION RATHER THAN CONVENTION.

R (Looking triumphant at Jinnah) : Look, look Majaraja Bahadur (turning Burdwan) at your Muslim colleagues from Bombay and see what he says an does! HE KNEW NO ARABIC, PERSIAN OR EVEN URDU. HE NEVER PRAYS, AND PAYS NO REGARD TO THE RULES OF SHARIAT IN THE MATTER OF HARaM AND HALAL IN FOOD AND DRINK.

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Re: # 286

Zeemax - Go easy on whatever you are taking to cause you so much anxiety and aggression. Beyond that, there is no conversation needed.

Thanks.

Re: # 307

bjkumar - I think you have an issue reading between the lines. But that`s ok, you cannot be master of everything :)

Thanks.

#297#bjkumar

Liked the couplets? Thanks. Quite appropriate, isn`t it?

I shall let you know the name of the poet tomorrow. I can`t think of his name right now.
And the complete ghazal.

Samar

Re: # 343

You would be better off asking a nazi to tell the virtues of judaism or a Clan member to deliver a speech on racial equality

Re: # 340 hamidm

These are legends and rituals and symbols associated with Islam. So again...my question remains there.

#340 Hamidm2

Dear sir, you must be commended on your thorough mastery of the details of your religion. Perhaps some people would like to be enlightened what views you hold on death by stoning by mobs – and whether those are staged acts simply carried out to distract your attention from where it really ought to be focused – your foreskin and the trauma that it underwent under the blade.

#334 Hamidm2

[grounds for decapitation]

Heads you win, tails I lose!

Need I remind you that it is YOUR insatiable need for those images that keeps bringing up those half-naked pictures. (Google Zindabaad.)

Perhaps sir, you are entering that stage in life when such pictures and only such pictures can fill in that special need which you have always been aware of ....

But have been too chicken to admit... even to yourself!

Re: # 338

``BTW, do you have any idea of what Islam is all about``

........ of course i do ..... i was circumcised at a very early age and have yet to recover from the trauma of that bloody ritual ........ i `finished` the koran at the age of eleven and then again a year later - the maulvi and his wife received a jora and there were great festivities with halwa for all ...... i can tell you all about the trials and tribulations of the prophet and his band of merry men in mecca, medina and back in mecca ........ i can tell you about abraham, the crazy old man who almost killed his son from hagar the concubine because his wife sarah got jealous (see, i know the fine details) ......... i know i am supposed to avoid contact with women, pigs, ahmedis and hindoos ........ i know all about the five pillars of islam and live in morbid fear of going to hell for not following any of them ........... so what else is there to know ?

........ on the other hand, most hindoos cannot tell hanuman from their first cousin ....... and then they turn around and blame poor george allen for making the same mistake ........

#328, #314 tauheed sahib

The article is by Beena Sarwar – a separate entity from Bina Shah.

Of course, the names sound similar, and one should not read too much into the “honest” mistake.

So let me try to help. (Hope nobody starts accusing me of stalking these ladies!)

This here (below) is Beena Sarwar.



And down below is Ms. Bina Shah. You see, sir, they are different ladies.

Re: # 241

[........i have yet to meet a hindoo who seems to have any idea of what hindooism is all about ........ ]

BTW, do you have any idea of what Islam is all about?

Nobody is infallible in this world...not even Gandhi, Mr. Hamid. I dont hold anybody in awe. I judge ppl objectively...detaching emotions.

Neither Muhammd, Jesus nor Gandhi was perfect.

Re: # 329

`` Experiments on Brahmanchrya (celibacy) were well known`` .................. so now i know origin of the word `charya` ....... it is amazing what you learn on chowk

#328 by tahmed32

I don`t support the religious parties of Pakistan, but I will say one thing. The opposition to the amendment was only on a technical point of rape not being distinguished from consensual sex in the hudood. Not a single person knew what all the fuss was about and everyone was using it for their own purposes including the author. The answer is simple. Rape is the same as any other bodily violation like assault. That`s why Islam does not distinguish between the two. It doesn`t matter if you forcibly insert a knife into the chest or forcibly a penis into the vagina. Result is the same. Lasting damage.

These activists should have asked for correct imposition of the Quranic laws, and not their removal.