Fight Hudood, Protect Women

#290 Tauheed sahib

I KNEW it will get to you. :)

It is true that the Indians (without being distinguished from the Pakistanis) have been made into caricatures for many past decades in the west. People would not think of India without thinking of serpents, elephants, fakirs, maharajas and so forth. Most of us ``videshis`` have encountered those moments and often resented those - unless those were hilarious.

But dear sir, you KNOW that is not the case any more. Especially in the post-9/11 world, the ``Westerners`` are indeed making more and more of a distinction between the Pakistanis and the Indians - be it in granting visa, in admission to colleges, in differing treatment at airports, in sending out questioning letters, in countless other ways.

All that talk about ``frontline ally`` and other such stuff is perhaps positive for the morale - but does not change the stark reality!

Just like the stark reality stays unchanged for the vast minorities in Pakistan.

And for its women - struggling under the Hudood!

zeemax #283 well caught!! teshah had fired off a toola about islam. :-)

zeemax: what makes you think that the CJ dismissal has anything to do with the mukhtaran mai case?

and, unless you are a mind reader, you are merely making a convenient assumption in saying that zahraj is shedding ``crocodile tears`` over the plight of poor women in pakistan.

#289 by bjkumar

Shut up idiot plagiarist and proven liar.

bjkumar: actually, is the appus of india whose weird accents and obsequious ways are in the source of jokes in the west. pakistanis may be many things, but obsequious little doormats we are not.

#288

[ Power and control are the key perhaps]

There is a difference, though. In case of the Pakistani practice of Islam, it is the LACK OF power, and the lack of control - the utter helplessness and impotence - which is driving this ``introspection``.

For example: how would one feel as a Pakistani when one sees the contrast:

(1) tales of those ``golden days`` of Islam (real or imagined) contrasted with the present day realities.

(2) being treated like a doormat by every power in the world - be it the US, the Russians, the Chinese, and now (more and more) the Indians.

So the present crop of the Ummah takes all the frustrations out on its own people, in the following order:

(a) Beating up on tthe Hindus or Sikhs, where available - but less so - because those creatures are nearly extinct now in the land of the Pure. (Somehow, damaging shrines just does not get that ``We are the Ummah...`` mood going the same way!)

(b) Beating up on the Christians - wherever one could find them - also a shrinking population for understandable reasons.

(c) Beating up on some other helpless minorities - especially the Ahmediyas.

(d) After running out of the above, getting to the more sizeable minorities - for example, the Shias.

(e) Even if one runs out of all of the above, there are always the staple diet available for the Ummah - the fair maidens of the land of the Pure - the ever so willing of the masses - to get mass raped, to drink yellow beverage served at close range, and to willingly accept the other sacrifices necessary for the ``cause of the Ummah``!

If one is a Pakistani khaki, of course, Kya kehne!

There is the whole population handy - any and every Pakistani to pick from - to kick, to rape, to crush, or to generally use like a brush!

Dear Pakis,

For a change, enjoy some URDU poetry and try to figure out what and why it laments about you.

Ghulami ko barkat samajhne lage
Asiron ko aisi rihai n de

Khatawar samjhegi duniya tujhe
tu itni jiyada safai n de

Samar

To ZahraJ as well as the author ...

Instead of crying crocodile tears over the plight of rural women, have you raised a voice upon the illegal dismissal of the man who gave THIS rural woman justice .....

...by sending back to jail THESE men ...

..... on a suo-moto action who were freed by the high-court?

I`m sorry. But both of you are just naz nakhreeli begum sahebs whose feigned concern with rural women begins and ends with maasis who sweep your floors crouching in a frog like manner and you shout at them everyday for leaving out that corner under that settee, and then throw some hand-me-down joras their way if they threaten to leave.

Re: # 286

You Zeemax seem to have gone berserk. You say Mai, the greatest media fraud of our times, had been `given` justice by CJS. What was that justice by the way? Will you elaborate? Any how thanks to her alleged rape by the Mastoies all rural women are to day envying her fraud rape. Many of them followed her trick but failed to get Mai like justice.

I wonder how a low-cast woman of Mirwala, named Mukhtaran, became so famous, ‘honored’ and rich (pretty also now as her pic shows) only because she was ‘dishonored ‘ by allegedly having been raped in compliance with a verdict of the village Panchayat, manifestly to avenge the dishonor of another woman of Mastoi tribe by Mai’s brother.

It was, as the story goes, first a village mullah, then the NGOs and finally the trial Session Court, which blew the matter out of proportion. No wonder the media also stepped in and made the best use of the sex story adding fuel to the fire. The western media gave extra-ordinary importance to the story not because there is dearth of rape stories in their own countries but because of their ulterior motive of vilifying Islam and the Muslim culture, which the Mai and her ‘raped honor’ presented.

As I stated above it was the alleged violation of ‘honour’ of a Mastoi woman, which necessitated the holding of village Punchayat (Peoples’ Court). The Mai and her family seemed to be in a compromising situation and therefore wanted to apologize for the alleged misconduct of Mai’s brother. Now there are two versions about what happened afterwards. Mai’s supporters say, the panchayat decided that as a matter of justice, Mai should be fucked by Mastoies to avenge violation of their ‘honour’ violated by her brother. But according to the other party the Mai was not raped but married (nikahfied) to the brother of the Mastoi woman who was ‘dishonoured’ by Mai’s brother. No independent inquiry having been held in the matter to find facts there are as many stories as many tongues. But as the facts of the case go the proceedings and judgment of the Multan High Court still holds the ground which did not give any credence to the evidence in support of the accusation of rape of Mai. In the circumstances it is sheer injustice if any body sits in judgment over a case when one knows nothing even about the bare facts of the case. As it is such peoples are actually dishonoring Mai by insisting that she was raped when the court says there was no evidence to that effect.

Now what a display of ‘raped honor’ was made in Mirwala when allegedly Mai was being dragged for ‘rape’ before the very eyes of her biraadari including her father and her young brother in compliance with the judgement of the Panchayat. I cannot imagine such a scene even in ‘sex-bazaar’. I can’t believe that people even of the lowest caste can be so devoid of any sense of ‘honor’ that they allow such a thing to happen without any demur. In fact no body stood up as there was perhaps no ground for standing up and it was only the suo moto action taken by the trial court after a number of days that such a halla gulla was raised by NGOs, etc., etc.

As a matter of fact, sex as such, is not a matter falling in the domain of ethics or morals. It is purely a matter of culture. In Shariah if a man accuses somebody of ‘Zina’ (irregular sex with a free person, other than one’s own slave) he is obliged to bring forth four valid eyewitnesses of the crime otherwise he himself becomes liable to ‘Qazaf’ to be condemned as a liar and vilifier and penalized severely and a woman in the same position is liable to be condemned as a self-confessed ‘Zaania’ if she herself alleges to be a victim of rape. It is perhaps why Mai avoided going to the Shariat Court to be judged by Quranic Hadood Laws. That court had recently given a verdict in a rape case that the evidence of the woman, victim of rape in a rape case, is of no consequence unless proved by evidence. God forbid, if this is allowed any whore can blackmail any man.
As regards rape and its consequences in Sharia, the ‘Fatwa’ issued recently by Deoband in case of a rape of a woman by her father-in-law in India is quite pertinent. According to that ‘Fatwa’ it was held that in consequence of her alleged rape the woman has automatically become the wife of her father-in-law. In fact this appears to be the adoption of an old Judaistic law that makes the rapist accept the victim as his wife, apparently to mitigate her dishonour.

It would perhaps be quite pertinent to quote here what the wise man of China, the great Confucius, says about rape. He says, “ If you feel the rape is inevitable, relax and enjoy”. One envies Mukhtaran Mai as she is lucky to have the best of the two, nay, rather three worlds and is so happy having been made so rich and honored because of her alleged rape by Mastoies, setting new values and opening new opportunities for the sex culture in our society.

What prompted me to write this post was actually the award of Maadare Millat Gold Medal to Mai, the raped, by Ms Nilofar Bakhtiar, as it seemed to me a blatant perfidy and insult to the name of Maadare Millat to associate her name with a shameless raped woman so as to present Mai as a role model for our noble women and to usher in Mukhtaran Mai ‘Rape culture’ by glorifying her just to gain some political mileage among women of that type. I say “Why make it a gender issue at all. Even men are prone to be raped and generally they are likely to welcome it unless they are ‘Muttaqi’ like the prophet, Yousaf (PBUH). Even he had escaped attempt of rape by Zulekha only by the help of Allah though admittedly he was going to succumb to it”.

So dear Zeemax beware you can become a sel-confessed liar in terms of Shariah if you accuse someone of zinna and fail to bring forth four qualified eye-witnesses to prove it.

Re: # 286

Zeemax - Go easy on whatever you are taking to cause you so much anxiety and aggression. Beyond that, there is no conversation needed.

Thanks.

ZahraJ,

Instead of his mother spitting on him, his father should have pissed on him. That might have worked!

:~)

#271 by bjkumar

Eff you .. liar and plagiariser ..

#267 by teshah,

Liar !

... Where is it written that a woman can be married to Quran? Stop defaming Islam with lies. Marrying off to Quran is a custom of rural Sindh to protect property transfer out of the family and perhaps would even have the sanction of the ostensibly Quran-loving Sufis who live off handouts of the landed ... but it is nowhere near Islam.

Re: # 283

Liar! Who?

Where I said that it was written in Quran? Btw, do you think marrying with anything is a bad thing. Normally, in my view, it would mean extreme devotion to the Quran unless the term is used with some nefarious motives as you are prone to.

bjkumar - I also see depth in Gandhi Jee`s eyes. In fact, he has nicely shaped almond eyes. Is that common among Indian men?

#280 ZahraJ

Thanks for seeing kindness. I wish and pray the concept evolves in Pakistan, then many of its problems would go away.