Fight Hudood, Protect Women

This debate in Imperial National Assembly is given below not with an intention to assess Jinnah as a politician but to compare what the founder wanted in his Republic (his 11 Aug 1947 address was similar to what was said by Jinnah 37 years b4) and what the current crop of leaders are doing

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There was a discussion btw Rafiuddin and Mohammed Alibhai Jeenabhai Khojani aka MA Jinnah in 1910 in the precincts of Imperial National Assembly, New Delhi

Rafiuddin: Mr. Jinnah, you claim to represent the Musalmans of Bombay Presidency?

Jinnah: Who doubt that? Do you?

R: I regret that they should be represented by you, who know nothing of Islam or the Prophet (on whom be peace), nor observe any Islamic injuctions?

J: What makes you say so? I knew jolly well far more than you do.

R: You say you do; well, tell me whether you have any pretensions to know Arabic or Persian?

J: WHY SHOULD I KNOW EITHER ARABIC OR PERSIAN? I AM NEITHER AN ARAB NOR A PERSIAN BUT AN INDIAN, AND HAVE THUS NO NEED TO KNOW THE LANGUAUE OF ARABIC OR PERSIAN.

R: Do you know even Urdu?

J: Yes, well enough to talk to my chhokras and housemaids. I have not to got address courts or judges in Urdu and I dont see why I should know more tongue, Gujerati fairly well.

R: But if you dont know Arabic, how can you offer your prayers?

J: PRAY IN ARABIC? WHY SHOULD I? I am not an impertinent sinner that I should be praying constantly to ask forgiveness for my sins? And that apart, surely God will understand me in whichever langauge I pray Him.

R: And what about your dress, food and drink? Are in accordance with the rules of Shariat?

J: WHAT HAS SHARIAT GOT TO WITH THE DRESS? SURELY, THE VARIOUS PEOPLES OF DIFFERENT MUSLIM COUNTRIES, ALL DRESS DIFFERENTLY. EVEN IN INDIA, ALL THE MUSLIMS DON`T DRESS ALIKE. AS FOR FOOD & DRINK, IT`S MORE A MATTER OF PERSONAL TASTE, APPETITE AND DIGESTION RATHER THAN CONVENTION.

R (Looking triumphant at Jinnah) : Look, look Majaraja Bahadur (turning Burdwan) at your Muslim colleagues from Bombay and see what he says an does! HE KNEW NO ARABIC, PERSIAN OR EVEN URDU. HE NEVER PRAYS, AND PAYS NO REGARD TO THE RULES OF SHARIAT IN THE MATTER OF HARaM AND HALAL IN FOOD AND DRINK.

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#297#bjkumar

Liked the couplets? Thanks. Quite appropriate, isn`t it?

I shall let you know the name of the poet tomorrow. I can`t think of his name right now.
And the complete ghazal.

Samar

#340 Hamidm2

Dear sir, you must be commended on your thorough mastery of the details of your religion. Perhaps some people would like to be enlightened what views you hold on death by stoning by mobs – and whether those are staged acts simply carried out to distract your attention from where it really ought to be focused – your foreskin and the trauma that it underwent under the blade.

#334 Hamidm2

[grounds for decapitation]

Heads you win, tails I lose!

Need I remind you that it is YOUR insatiable need for those images that keeps bringing up those half-naked pictures. (Google Zindabaad.)

Perhaps sir, you are entering that stage in life when such pictures and only such pictures can fill in that special need which you have always been aware of ....

But have been too chicken to admit... even to yourself!

#328, #314 tauheed sahib

The article is by Beena Sarwar – a separate entity from Bina Shah.

Of course, the names sound similar, and one should not read too much into the “honest” mistake.

So let me try to help. (Hope nobody starts accusing me of stalking these ladies!)

This here (below) is Beena Sarwar.



And down below is Ms. Bina Shah. You see, sir, they are different ladies.

Nobody is infallible in this world...not even Gandhi, Mr. Hamid. I dont hold anybody in awe. I judge ppl objectively...detaching emotions.

Neither Muhammd, Jesus nor Gandhi was perfect.

#328 by tahmed32

I don`t support the religious parties of Pakistan, but I will say one thing. The opposition to the amendment was only on a technical point of rape not being distinguished from consensual sex in the hudood. Not a single person knew what all the fuss was about and everyone was using it for their own purposes including the author. The answer is simple. Rape is the same as any other bodily violation like assault. That`s why Islam does not distinguish between the two. It doesn`t matter if you forcibly insert a knife into the chest or forcibly a penis into the vagina. Result is the same. Lasting damage.

These activists should have asked for correct imposition of the Quranic laws, and not their removal.

Rabid Paaki DOG,

I gave a more serious reply. Pl read and go back & do what u do to chinkbums.

and now, i have to go.

regards to all on chowk. no scratching and pulling of each other`s hair please.

#323 zeemax: the only ``islamic system`` is the one propagated by the maulvis in their search for more power. islam is about individual responsibility before God to distinguish between right and wrong and to do the right thing - it is not about giving the mullah the usurp control over pakistani society through undemocratic means backed by the physical power.

Folio_idiot,

If there`s some historical figure like u, then it shud be a matter pride to u. Wasnt it?

I don`t understand. Do you mean if I was a historical figure it would be not only ok but a matter of pride for me to explore my nieces` orifices while feigning to test celibacy?

A more serious reply on Gandhi:

Gandhi stopped bonking since he was 35. Experiments on Brahmanchrya (celibacy) were well known.

Re: # 329

`` Experiments on Brahmanchrya (celibacy) were well known`` .................. so now i know origin of the word `charya` ....... it is amazing what you learn on chowk

zeemax #316 sorry, i had to go away from chowk for a minute... :-)

anyway - you can always find things that someone has not done to belittle what he/she has done. if all bina shah does is write this article spelling out the history of oppression under hadood laws - then she has done infinitely more than all the religious parties of pakistan put together who seek the continuation of these ``laws``, oblivious to their vile impact.

This is my reply: #324 by Folio on March 11, 2007 7:16am PT
If there`s some historical figure like u, then it shud be a matter pride to u. Wasnt it?

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Pak women need to be liberated from clothes. That`s ur msg for Pak women, I guess.

Folio idiot please answer #322 without resorting to ad-hominem ..